High Viz Jackets - Mandatory at GA Airfields?
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High Viz Jackets - Mandatory at GA Airfields?
Just received a missive that High Viz Jackets will be mandatory at Nottingham (thats the original Tollerton, EGBN - NOT EMA!) from this Saturday 31st March 2007 due to an edict from the CAA.
Does this apply to all GA airfields now or has someone in authority got carried away with this?
I realise that employers have a duty of care to their employees etc but is the wearing of high viz vests at a small GA airfield mandatory? I can understand the value of wearing same at a major airport with lots of vehicles etc on the ramp but I do feel this is overkill at small GA fields!
Does this apply to all GA airfields now or has someone in authority got carried away with this?
I realise that employers have a duty of care to their employees etc but is the wearing of high viz vests at a small GA airfield mandatory? I can understand the value of wearing same at a major airport with lots of vehicles etc on the ramp but I do feel this is overkill at small GA fields!
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Been like this at Cumbernauld for a couple of years now. Nonsense in my opinion. When I pop up to Perth back and forth there seems to be wholesale disgust at the entire Hi-Viz mentality. Quite refreshing to me, but it still doesn't stop me leaving it on out of habit anyway. I'm afraid it's the start of a slippery slope that will end up with mandatory wearing of Hi-Viz for all 
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That is just a sneaky way for those in the rules making business to get you programmed to do as we say, for when the cavity search with a hand on each shoulder rule is implimented.
Its all about getting you compliant so they can really have their way with you.
Enjoy.
Its all about getting you compliant so they can really have their way with you.
Enjoy.
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Not this one again.
B o r i n g.
Pick up a jacket from the peg as you go airside, put it back on the peg when you get back. Hardly a big deal. Anyone who can get themselves worked up about this is surely not stable enough to deserve a pilot's licence, yes?
B o r i n g.
Pick up a jacket from the peg as you go airside, put it back on the peg when you get back. Hardly a big deal. Anyone who can get themselves worked up about this is surely not stable enough to deserve a pilot's licence, yes?
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No, but it's the principle of the thing, Gertrude.
Exactly, rules made for the sake of rules with no credible need for same is only dumming down the industry.
How many people have been run over on the ramp because they weren't wearing a high vis jacket?
Anyone who can get themselves worked up about this is surely not stable enough to deserve a pilot's licence, yes?
I must be unstable then, so you better revoke all my licenses.
Exactly, rules made for the sake of rules with no credible need for same is only dumming down the industry.
How many people have been run over on the ramp because they weren't wearing a high vis jacket?
Anyone who can get themselves worked up about this is surely not stable enough to deserve a pilot's licence, yes?
I must be unstable then, so you better revoke all my licenses.
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Suggesting it's a CAA requirement is b@ll@cks.
It's mandated in CAP 642 Airside Safety Management(or rather it's not mandated as CAP 642 is guidance and says "should" rather than "must").
Here are some references
Mike
It's mandated in CAP 642 Airside Safety Management(or rather it's not mandated as CAP 642 is guidance and says "should" rather than "must").
Here are some references
g) All push-back crew members should wear high visibility garments in compliance with current standards;
6.9.8 Irrespective of other measures that are taken to provide a safe environment for personnel working in airside areas, all personnel who will be working outside (i.e. on foot) on the movement area should wear high-visibility clothing.
4 Precautions in Freezing Conditions
Winter weather brings extra hazards which require awareness and more care on the part of personnel working on the aprons, if accidents are to be avoided. Simple precautions that can reduce accident risks should be taken as follows:.....
f) High visibility clothing should be worn in accordance with current instructions.
Winter weather brings extra hazards which require awareness and more care on the part of personnel working on the aprons, if accidents are to be avoided. Simple precautions that can reduce accident risks should be taken as follows:.....
f) High visibility clothing should be worn in accordance with current instructions.
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat
Pick up a jacket from the peg as you go airside, put it back on the peg when you get back. Hardly a big deal.
Good time to have shares in a see-me suit business, I think.
'Should' is only a recommendation, NOT a mandatory requirement.
You wear a stupid yellow road-digger's coat ONLY to cover someone else's arse!
I hate the bloody things with a vengence!
You wear a stupid yellow road-digger's coat ONLY to cover someone else's arse!
I hate the bloody things with a vengence!
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Whenever I'm told I must wear a hi-viz jacket I follow the letter of the law and I do exactly that.
Sometimes I wear it inside-out, sometimes I wear it back-to-front, sometimes I wear it upside-down, sometimes I wear it with one arm in and one arm out, etc, etc.
If I'm going to look like an idiot in a hi-viz jacket then at least I'll look like a piss-taking idiot.
Sometimes I wear it inside-out, sometimes I wear it back-to-front, sometimes I wear it upside-down, sometimes I wear it with one arm in and one arm out, etc, etc.
If I'm going to look like an idiot in a hi-viz jacket then at least I'll look like a piss-taking idiot.
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Everywhere you go today people are wearing hi viz clothing.So much so that in the event of an incident , you could ask the bloke in the yellow jacket for directions/help/advice/safety etc. he will reply, 'I dunno mate I,m just here to watch my granny have her trial lesson'.
If its half past dark on a dark night on a bleak unlit airfield - I would wear my hi-viz out of common sense - On a bright sunny day miles from danger when walking ten yards from cockpit to office, if a jumped up security feckwit has a go at me for not wearing one, he will get the following tirade from me... Sorry mate, wasn't me.......what do you mean you saw me?.....well what do I need a fecking Hi Viz for then? .....**** off Jobsworth!!!
If its half past dark on a dark night on a bleak unlit airfield - I would wear my hi-viz out of common sense - On a bright sunny day miles from danger when walking ten yards from cockpit to office, if a jumped up security feckwit has a go at me for not wearing one, he will get the following tirade from me... Sorry mate, wasn't me.......what do you mean you saw me?.....well what do I need a fecking Hi Viz for then? .....**** off Jobsworth!!!
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When some moron airport manager decides to try and force people to wear these things what can they do if you flat out refuse?
If they refuse you access to the airport then everyone should just refuse and close the airport down and put the moron out of work.....no people...no airplanes moving....no job for the moron..
If they refuse you access to the airport then everyone should just refuse and close the airport down and put the moron out of work.....no people...no airplanes moving....no job for the moron..
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Clearly helped a poor Swissair Captain smeared against the side of his aeroplane on the walkaround, by a catering truck (I think).
Definately could justify doing my walkaround in a clown suit. It would certainly get me noticed, after all isn't that what everyone is trying to do by wearing one on the apron?
Definately could justify doing my walkaround in a clown suit. It would certainly get me noticed, after all isn't that what everyone is trying to do by wearing one on the apron?
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I note from Mikes CAP 642 extracts they say when working, if I am doing the walkround on an Airbus I wear a hi viz, when I am flying a light aircraft it is for fun and I don't.
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Hi Vis rubbish
For over 10 years working on the ramp at LHR I had no problem and then came the HI-vis vest, the day it was mandated I put one on for the first time.
I remember the day it was 0500 at JSY and I was only saved from being run down by a newspaper van by the quick actions of another crewmember.
I can't understand how the magic vest did not protect me from the van? after all if they are mandated by the CAA and the HSE the vest must be a very good bit of kit.
The big problem is that Health and Safety officers are only in the job because they can't do a real job and are put in post usualy to get them into a position in which they can't do to much harm.
Unfortunatly this social employment program as the idiots with the title of H&S officer can mandate this sort of rubbish.
I can't help thinking of a recent train crash , the H&S people made the site manager fill out a 22 page risk assesment, and yet at no place in this document did it say "do up the bolts on the rails".
I remember the day it was 0500 at JSY and I was only saved from being run down by a newspaper van by the quick actions of another crewmember.
I can't understand how the magic vest did not protect me from the van? after all if they are mandated by the CAA and the HSE the vest must be a very good bit of kit.
The big problem is that Health and Safety officers are only in the job because they can't do a real job and are put in post usualy to get them into a position in which they can't do to much harm.
Unfortunatly this social employment program as the idiots with the title of H&S officer can mandate this sort of rubbish.
I can't help thinking of a recent train crash , the H&S people made the site manager fill out a 22 page risk assesment, and yet at no place in this document did it say "do up the bolts on the rails".
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I always forget to be honest, and have never got a bollocking yet 
Some places (Bournemouth) have a "3 strikes and you're out" rule. Caught 3 times, and you're banned.
I always forget there and have never been bollocked
I suspect it is there because if an accident happens they can say "you should have been wearing your high vis jacket, so you can't sue us".
Anway, a loud Hawaiian shirt probably counts as a high vis jacket
Some places (Bournemouth) have a "3 strikes and you're out" rule. Caught 3 times, and you're banned.
I always forget there and have never been bollocked
I suspect it is there because if an accident happens they can say "you should have been wearing your high vis jacket, so you can't sue us".
Anway, a loud Hawaiian shirt probably counts as a high vis jacket
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Hmm, Hi-Vis jackets... keech in my opinion, when on the ramp (on foot, taxying an aeroplane or driving a service vehicle) you should be keeping a bloody good lookout anyway. Also makes you look a proper eedjit.
Plus it won't provide much protection when you get run down by a speeding Transit or butchered by a prop.
Common sense, eh.
Plus it won't provide much protection when you get run down by a speeding Transit or butchered by a prop.
Common sense, eh.