flying with a military chart in the uk
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flying with a military chart in the uk
anyone know whether its legal to fly with a valid military chart in a G-reg light plane? My CAA half mil chart has just gone out of date and i wont be able to get another before saturday. i'd imagine its fine, but you never know do you....
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How long do you have when a chart is reissued beforte you cannot use the old one?
Seems a bit unreasonable to expect the whole GA community to get a new one within 1 day. I would have thought that there was some way you could continue to use an old one for some time. Anyone care to post the relevant regulation so that we can see.
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Seems a bit unreasonable to expect the whole GA community to get a new one within 1 day. I would have thought that there was some way you could continue to use an old one for some time. Anyone care to post the relevant regulation so that we can see.
Many thanks in advance.
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The link is here
http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/pdf/aic/4Y217.PDF
It is AIC 96/2006 (Yellow 217) The validity date for the change was 31 August.
I would think the answer to your question is none.
http://www.ais.org.uk/aes/pubs/aip/pdf/aic/4Y217.PDF
It is AIC 96/2006 (Yellow 217) The validity date for the change was 31 August.
I would think the answer to your question is none.
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I think the real answer is that no specific chart is mandated.
IO540 has pointed to the particular regulations here in the past, and I seem to remember it saying you required navigation information to allow you to safely navigate the proposed route. Whether this be the recently issued CAA chart, or your own one that you made up on Windows Paint is up to you.
With that in mind, I think if you ensured your current (out of date) chart has all the updates shown on the CAA website, including the new Cardiff/Bristol airspace, then you should be fine. That's all the new chart is going to show.
Once the CAA stop issuing updates for that chart you'll need to make sure you have the new one.
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IO540 has pointed to the particular regulations here in the past, and I seem to remember it saying you required navigation information to allow you to safely navigate the proposed route. Whether this be the recently issued CAA chart, or your own one that you made up on Windows Paint is up to you.
With that in mind, I think if you ensured your current (out of date) chart has all the updates shown on the CAA website, including the new Cardiff/Bristol airspace, then you should be fine. That's all the new chart is going to show.
Once the CAA stop issuing updates for that chart you'll need to make sure you have the new one.
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You can use any chart you like provided it's up to date. You can actually legally fly with a chart from 1954 if you so desire, provided you've manually amended it for the past 52 years. I'd recommend buying the latest one if you haven't got that much spare time.
I appreciate most people have to budget pretty carefully to fly (I was there myself not too many years ago). If you can get hold of a current military chart or any other relevant current chart for nothing then great. Otherwise to be honest, if you can't afford £14 ish every year or so (typically ten minutes airborne) for a half-mil, you really ought to think about changing your hobby.
I appreciate most people have to budget pretty carefully to fly (I was there myself not too many years ago). If you can get hold of a current military chart or any other relevant current chart for nothing then great. Otherwise to be honest, if you can't afford £14 ish every year or so (typically ten minutes airborne) for a half-mil, you really ought to think about changing your hobby.
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thanks for the replies everyone.
its strange that a major airspace amendment has been introduced in the middle of the normal chart update cycle (vfr charts at any rate). Its inviting the very problem that the new cardiff/bristol airspace is designed to avoid?? perhaps there are other factors i'm not privy to.
its strange that a major airspace amendment has been introduced in the middle of the normal chart update cycle (vfr charts at any rate). Its inviting the very problem that the new cardiff/bristol airspace is designed to avoid?? perhaps there are other factors i'm not privy to.
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Not sure I would even go that far. The requirement is for:
Maps, charts, codes and other documents and navigational equipment necessary, in addition to any other equipment required under this Order, for the intended flight of the aircraft including any diversion which may reasonably be expected.
The word "current" is not used. Clearly, there's a reasonableness issue, but I don't believe there is a requirement to manually amend any chart. In practical terms, it seems at least as reasonable to fly in September 2006 with a chart published in April 2006 as it does to fly in March 2006 with a chart published in April 2005. The publication of a new chart doesn't render the earlier one illegal.
Note however that there is a requirement for the commander to:
take all reasonable steps to satisfy himself before the aircraft takes off that the flight can safely be made, taking into account the latest information available as to the route and aerodrome to be used, the weather reports and forecasts available and any alternative course of action which can be adopted in case the flight cannot be completed as planned
Thus if current information is not available on the chart, it better be in your head.
Maps, charts, codes and other documents and navigational equipment necessary, in addition to any other equipment required under this Order, for the intended flight of the aircraft including any diversion which may reasonably be expected.
The word "current" is not used. Clearly, there's a reasonableness issue, but I don't believe there is a requirement to manually amend any chart. In practical terms, it seems at least as reasonable to fly in September 2006 with a chart published in April 2006 as it does to fly in March 2006 with a chart published in April 2005. The publication of a new chart doesn't render the earlier one illegal.
Note however that there is a requirement for the commander to:
take all reasonable steps to satisfy himself before the aircraft takes off that the flight can safely be made, taking into account the latest information available as to the route and aerodrome to be used, the weather reports and forecasts available and any alternative course of action which can be adopted in case the flight cannot be completed as planned
Thus if current information is not available on the chart, it better be in your head.
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Thanks for the answers. My question re whether it was OK to fly with an old chart was to determine the legality.
If I'm just going 7 miles to Old Buckenham for some fuel and a new chart was issued yesterday I wanted to make sure I was legal...which I am as long as I've checked that Old Buck haven't established class A airspace or something similar.
Thanks
If I'm just going 7 miles to Old Buckenham for some fuel and a new chart was issued yesterday I wanted to make sure I was legal...which I am as long as I've checked that Old Buck haven't established class A airspace or something similar.
Thanks
