Put the price up if its for pilots !
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Put the price up if its for pilots !
In my heart of hearts I always knew that anything to do with aviation probably attracted a premium, however I have never had it put so blatently in my face as today.
In the post I received the latest catalogue from a well know uk pilot shop, great I thought, a chance to dribble over the latest gadgets that I cannot really justify, but hey we have to dream whilst the weather is too poor to fly don't we.
In the same package came a catologue for the newly launched marine division of the same company. Now I have never really been into things that go on water, but was interested to see what they had to offer. It was then that I noticed what seemed to be a couple of almost identical items in both catalogues, not that surpising I admit, but then I compared the prices;
Aircrew Life Jacket - £79.95
Marine Version - £44.95
Bike in a bag (aviation one) £239.95
Yachtmans Folding Bike £149.99
Ok the aviation version of the bike is not completely identical as it shows it as being 300g heavier, maybe it comes with built in gps for the extra £90 !?!
Sorry, had to get it off my chest and my wife went into glazed over not listening mode as soon as I mentioned flying
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Has anyone come across any other items that carry a heavy premium just because they are aviation related??
Or I guess a more useful question;
What items have you guys and girls found out there that are identical to aviation versions but are cheaper from other sources?
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In the post I received the latest catalogue from a well know uk pilot shop, great I thought, a chance to dribble over the latest gadgets that I cannot really justify, but hey we have to dream whilst the weather is too poor to fly don't we.
In the same package came a catologue for the newly launched marine division of the same company. Now I have never really been into things that go on water, but was interested to see what they had to offer. It was then that I noticed what seemed to be a couple of almost identical items in both catalogues, not that surpising I admit, but then I compared the prices;
Aircrew Life Jacket - £79.95
Marine Version - £44.95
Bike in a bag (aviation one) £239.95
Yachtmans Folding Bike £149.99
Ok the aviation version of the bike is not completely identical as it shows it as being 300g heavier, maybe it comes with built in gps for the extra £90 !?!
Sorry, had to get it off my chest and my wife went into glazed over not listening mode as soon as I mentioned flying
.Has anyone come across any other items that carry a heavy premium just because they are aviation related??
Or I guess a more useful question;
What items have you guys and girls found out there that are identical to aviation versions but are cheaper from other sources?
Cheers
Pull Back
I'll get off of my soapbox now!!
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Transair will sell you a flourescent jacket for £10, Tchibo will sell you a similar one for £4.
As far as life jackets are concerned, marine jackets are auto-inflation, avaition jackets are manual inflation. The theory being that if you fall off of your boat, the jacket will just inflate on contact with water, but if you ditch your aircraft, water may come into the cockpit before you get out, causing an auto-inflate jacket to blow up. An inflated jacket may prevent you from escaping, hence avaition jackets are manual inflation.
As far as life jackets are concerned, marine jackets are auto-inflation, avaition jackets are manual inflation. The theory being that if you fall off of your boat, the jacket will just inflate on contact with water, but if you ditch your aircraft, water may come into the cockpit before you get out, causing an auto-inflate jacket to blow up. An inflated jacket may prevent you from escaping, hence avaition jackets are manual inflation.
Thank you Pull Back
I've been silent fuming all day - bet that wasn't what the marketing people expected.
Flashy Garmin GPS in colour for your boat, sir?
Certainly, you'll get plenty of change from £500
One for your aeroplane, ooh aeroplane is it?
That'll be well over £800.
What?
Like something a little cheaper, sir?
Well, our cheapest aviation GPS is just under £260.
Oh boats was it? Well we've got one for £160.
Eh?
Perhaps I'll just have some gloves, then.
Okay, a wide choice for well under twenty quid in the marine section or into aviation for very little change from £30.
Oh, perhaps I'll just have a model, in that case.
Righto chief - boats between £20 and £60, aeroplanes from £100 to £125.
You what?
Perhaps I'll just take a CD-ROM that shows me how to use the radios.
No problem, boats for £30 or aeroplanes for £70.
Now, I'm not blaming the people who produced the catalogue, their prices merely reflect what they can buy for, I'm sure, but it does all seem to support Pull Back's theory.
There's only one place I've spotted that you can save money between the two magazines.
I'd like to buy some paint for my yacht.
Right you are we've got a dozen products in our catalogue, take your pick.
Thank you and some for my aeroplane.
P!ss off, Biggles, we don't like your type round 'ere.
I've been silent fuming all day - bet that wasn't what the marketing people expected.
Flashy Garmin GPS in colour for your boat, sir?
Certainly, you'll get plenty of change from £500
One for your aeroplane, ooh aeroplane is it?
That'll be well over £800.
What?
Like something a little cheaper, sir?
Well, our cheapest aviation GPS is just under £260.
Oh boats was it? Well we've got one for £160.
Eh?
Perhaps I'll just have some gloves, then.
Okay, a wide choice for well under twenty quid in the marine section or into aviation for very little change from £30.
Oh, perhaps I'll just have a model, in that case.
Righto chief - boats between £20 and £60, aeroplanes from £100 to £125.
You what?
Perhaps I'll just take a CD-ROM that shows me how to use the radios.
No problem, boats for £30 or aeroplanes for £70.
Now, I'm not blaming the people who produced the catalogue, their prices merely reflect what they can buy for, I'm sure, but it does all seem to support Pull Back's theory.
There's only one place I've spotted that you can save money between the two magazines.
I'd like to buy some paint for my yacht.
Right you are we've got a dozen products in our catalogue, take your pick.
Thank you and some for my aeroplane.
P!ss off, Biggles, we don't like your type round 'ere.
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A marine manual inflation life-jacket normally costs less than an automatic one, and is presumably OK for aviation use. Anyone knowledgeable on such matters to advise us?
I know it's not a cheap past-time, and therefore some people assume we have money to burn, but it's simply not always the case!
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The irony is that the boating fraternity think they are being exploited as well! To a certain extent they are too. If industrial suppliers sold life jackets, I am sure they would be even cheaper!
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I agree, they are too expensive. I did once buy a few shirts from a certain catalogue but they were 50% more expensive than I can get them elsewhere.
Ever since they keep on sending their catalogue. Rather than waste it completely I took to keeping said aviation catalogue in the loo, but since they upgraded the paper it's too shiny for the purpose intended........
Ever since they keep on sending their catalogue. Rather than waste it completely I took to keeping said aviation catalogue in the loo, but since they upgraded the paper it's too shiny for the purpose intended........
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Aircraft tiedown kits are about £40 in the catalogues. You can get them on Ebay for £12. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MESE%3AIT&rd=1
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Hi All,
Looks like I'm not the only one that noticed then!!
The life jacket that I was comparing was a manual inflation one, there seemed to be several choices for the boating people, the one I was using for camparison was a manual one with "harness" whatever that means, if you have one without the harnes its only £39.95.
The pictures look identical except for the printing on said lifejacket, must be expensive ink
Does anyone know if you can use car polish / cleaner on aircraft, somthing like autoglym?
Cheers,
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Looks like I'm not the only one that noticed then!!
The life jacket that I was comparing was a manual inflation one, there seemed to be several choices for the boating people, the one I was using for camparison was a manual one with "harness" whatever that means, if you have one without the harnes its only £39.95.
The pictures look identical except for the printing on said lifejacket, must be expensive ink Does anyone know if you can use car polish / cleaner on aircraft, somthing like autoglym?
Cheers,
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Alternative to main suppliers and products
Originally Posted by boomerangben
The irony is that the boating fraternity think they are being exploited as well! To a certain extent they are too. If industrial suppliers sold life jackets, I am sure they would be even cheaper!
I don't have my own boat now but when I did I always looked at the manufacturers details and then sourced elsewhere or used generic parts,especially for Volvo engines!
When we had wooden boats we used an industrial machinery paint that was 25% cost of the International marine stuff and a lot more durable.I think it was made by Croda,and when I asked if it was OK for marine use was told that half the trawler fleet in Scotland used it,so it was OK for me.
It always pays to shop around.
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Large Aircrew Soft Case - T/A £49.99
Large Aircrew Soft Case - Argos £19.99
Guess which one I went for !!.
I hate being ripped off, and when flying is so expensive it hurts so much more.
I also cannot see why a piece of plastic that you only need to use for the ATPL exams costs the best part of £80 - how can they justify that. Got mine off ebay for £40.
Large Aircrew Soft Case - Argos £19.99
Guess which one I went for !!.
I hate being ripped off, and when flying is so expensive it hurts so much more.
I also cannot see why a piece of plastic that you only need to use for the ATPL exams costs the best part of £80 - how can they justify that. Got mine off ebay for £40.
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Its what the market will bear unfortunately.
In the very early days of GPS when I used to sell them as there was some profit in it in those days, the land units that were otherwise identical to the aviation ones were software limited to 100 knots max to prevent them being used in an aviation environment. Above 100 kts the display blanked out. This enabled a 200% price premium to be charged for the aviation version. It cause such a large number of complaints that Garmin removed the software limit.
In the very early days of GPS when I used to sell them as there was some profit in it in those days, the land units that were otherwise identical to the aviation ones were software limited to 100 knots max to prevent them being used in an aviation environment. Above 100 kts the display blanked out. This enabled a 200% price premium to be charged for the aviation version. It cause such a large number of complaints that Garmin removed the software limit.
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Some might say Transair have shot themselfs in the foot by putting the boat catalogue in with the aviation catalogue......................... from the tone of the posts above I think that they had the gun selected to full automatic !!
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Aircraft tiedown kits are about £40 in the catalogues. You can get them on Ebay for £
Be careful with tie-down kits, it's not worth scrimping on cheap imitations.
After suffering a very expensive wing repair on my F172 following an unusually stormy night, I purchased what is advertised as the only Lloyds approved tie-down travel kit for light aircraft. Rather more expensive than the ones in certain aircraft catalogues, but far cheaper then a new wing.
You can buy these from retailers but I went straight to the manufacture. Really helpful people and they can tailor an order to your particular aircraft needs.
http://www.spyra-base.com/
After suffering a very expensive wing repair on my F172 following an unusually stormy night, I purchased what is advertised as the only Lloyds approved tie-down travel kit for light aircraft. Rather more expensive than the ones in certain aircraft catalogues, but far cheaper then a new wing.
You can buy these from retailers but I went straight to the manufacture. Really helpful people and they can tailor an order to your particular aircraft needs.
http://www.spyra-base.com/
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Re lifejackets
The Harness on a marine one fulfils 2 purposes :- 1. To enable you to clip yourself on to a safety line so you don't fall overboard. 2. It's useful to a haul you back on with if you forgot the safety line and ended in the drink. Adds weight and not really necessary for aviation use.
T*%@#air have a "Large Display Digital Timer" for 24.99. Same one with a different label available from RS Components (not generally the cheapest people on the block) at 15.99
The Harness on a marine one fulfils 2 purposes :- 1. To enable you to clip yourself on to a safety line so you don't fall overboard. 2. It's useful to a haul you back on with if you forgot the safety line and ended in the drink. Adds weight and not really necessary for aviation use.
T*%@#air have a "Large Display Digital Timer" for 24.99. Same one with a different label available from RS Components (not generally the cheapest people on the block) at 15.99
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Pleeease don't be tempted to use the dog-ties advertised as tie-downs, without first making some mods - the ring attachments are not robust and the triangles at the top are not welded closed, they bend open with sufficient pull. A friend's aeroplane never flew again after being blown upside down when the tie-downs opened up.....
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Originally Posted by Pull Back
What items have you guys and girls found out there that are identical to aviation versions but are cheaper from other sources?
Cheers
Pull Back
I'll get off of my soapbox now!!
Cheers
Pull Back
I'll get off of my soapbox now!!