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Thought BH had wing spar corosion and was unlikely to be within economic repair?
Perhaps £105 + landings is a fair going rate. I think that is about what Steve Marples charges (dual) for his Slingsby (nice A/C).
That was certainly cheaper than NAC immediately prior to present demise @ £120 + landings (dual)
Happy to be corrected if wrong.
Perhaps £105 + landings is a fair going rate. I think that is about what Steve Marples charges (dual) for his Slingsby (nice A/C).
That was certainly cheaper than NAC immediately prior to present demise @ £120 + landings (dual)
Happy to be corrected if wrong.
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Sorry if not clear.
My point was that WK was £80 approx per hour solo,correct me if wrong its a cadet 141 same as BH. I agree it is well kitted out but you can go dual at EGNV for less inc VAT in an Archer.
In retrospect we all have to make a living.
If you passed your IMC Stu well done.
We all hope 2 again.
My point was that WK was £80 approx per hour solo,correct me if wrong its a cadet 141 same as BH. I agree it is well kitted out but you can go dual at EGNV for less inc VAT in an Archer.
In retrospect we all have to make a living.
If you passed your IMC Stu well done.
We all hope 2 again.
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Letter from RMT
I had a letter from RMT yesterday, did anyone else?
There wasn't much information really except that there will not be a creditors meeting and 3 proposals were being considered. How does that square with Samson's definately having it? Or is the letter behind the action?
There wasn't much information really except that there will not be a creditors meeting and 3 proposals were being considered. How does that square with Samson's definately having it? Or is the letter behind the action?
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BH is knackered. Although nice and shiney on the outside, it was found to be in poor condition below the surface, requiring work beyond it's economic repair value. I believe that there is a plan afoot to lease in an aircraft from Blackpool to replace it temporarily.
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MB : I saw the letter and it makes interesting reading,their fees make your eyes water !!!
It would seem to indicate somebody has been given a contract but as yet is not completed, The rumours is that MB had pulled out, so it looks like wait and see again.
Regards All
MB : I saw the letter and it makes interesting reading,their fees make your eyes water !!!
It would seem to indicate somebody has been given a contract but as yet is not completed, The rumours is that MB had pulled out, so it looks like wait and see again.
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Hi Everybody 
BigStu/GonTek - Hi chaps, have just had 4 very relaxing days in The Hague so I'm well out of touch which is probably just as well after reading the last few posts.
This whole thing has been handled (in my opinion) extremely badly. The RMT (of little help OR use and a fee that is beyond belief for their "services") seem to be playing one bidder off another and telling each of them a different story each day. If MB was given a contract then he should have signed it within his allotted 14 days, if he hasn't then it's up to the RMT to go with the next suitable proposal and present that to the airport authorities for their approval, this clearly hasn't been done.
Eshott, a nice little Northumberland village with a nice little airfield but I hardly see Eshott with an ILS/VOR DME and a "race track in the sky" etc etc and full runway lighting!
For weeks we have been saying it maybe this week or maybe next week when we find out something but in reality this whole sorry thing has been a complete farce. Let's accept this - we will never fly again at EGNT unless you join a group, it's as simple as that.
BigStu/GonTek - Hi chaps, have just had 4 very relaxing days in The Hague so I'm well out of touch which is probably just as well after reading the last few posts.
This whole thing has been handled (in my opinion) extremely badly. The RMT (of little help OR use and a fee that is beyond belief for their "services") seem to be playing one bidder off another and telling each of them a different story each day. If MB was given a contract then he should have signed it within his allotted 14 days, if he hasn't then it's up to the RMT to go with the next suitable proposal and present that to the airport authorities for their approval, this clearly hasn't been done.
Eshott, a nice little Northumberland village with a nice little airfield but I hardly see Eshott with an ILS/VOR DME and a "race track in the sky" etc etc and full runway lighting!
For weeks we have been saying it maybe this week or maybe next week when we find out something but in reality this whole sorry thing has been a complete farce. Let's accept this - we will never fly again at EGNT unless you join a group, it's as simple as that.
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Eshott, a nice little Northumberland village with a nice little airfield but I hardly see Eshott with an ILS/VOR DME and a "race track in the sky" etc etc and full runway lighting!
If you were referring to flying training at an airfield without those facilities, there are loads of them, probably more than those that have them. In any case, Eshott is quite a way from being able to have an FTO, in many respects, but I suspect they wouldn't want one.
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Quite right Sean
The owner of Eshott presently has no wish to get authorisation for training. This may change of course. It would be quite good for basic PPL training, but there would presently be no scope for anything further.
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I spoke to Storm a few months ago (who owns Eshott airfield), and he gave me the impression that he would certainly consider PPL training, if it were feasible. He indicated that as far as his present planning authorisation is concerned, he could undertake training.
The main stumbling block remains that in order to offer JAR ab initio PPL training, the CAA require an airfield to be licenced. This has several implications particulalry in relation to fire cover, and to the layout of the airfield, and the surrounding area.
The CAA has been conducting a review into the licencing requirements for PPL training for about the last two years. It was widely expected that there would be some rationlisation of the regulations, recognising that the requirements for full scale scheduled commercial operations, are not the same as for PPL training.
I know that some years ago Steve Marples looked into getting Eshott licenced, and certainly under the exisiting regulations his assessment was that it was not financially viable.
If the amendments to the regulations were to make the prospect financially viable, then it was my impression that Storm would consider setting up PPL training.
As far as the facilities are concerned, Eshott would make a very suitable facility for PPL training, which would be much more cost effective than operating out of EGNT. As far as navigation aids are concerned, it would probably be possible to perform a let down at EGNT and then proceed visually as is the case from EGPH for Cumbernauld. However, the instrument aspects of the PPL only require a 180 turn out of cloud, and a demonstartion of instrument position fixing and VOR tracking, all of which can be achieved without entering the Newcastle zone.
Paradoxically, IMC and other rating training and renewals can be done at non-licenced fields, although the procedural elements of the IMC course would of course require a field with suitable approach aids and published IAPs.
The main stumbling block remains that in order to offer JAR ab initio PPL training, the CAA require an airfield to be licenced. This has several implications particulalry in relation to fire cover, and to the layout of the airfield, and the surrounding area.
The CAA has been conducting a review into the licencing requirements for PPL training for about the last two years. It was widely expected that there would be some rationlisation of the regulations, recognising that the requirements for full scale scheduled commercial operations, are not the same as for PPL training.
I know that some years ago Steve Marples looked into getting Eshott licenced, and certainly under the exisiting regulations his assessment was that it was not financially viable.
If the amendments to the regulations were to make the prospect financially viable, then it was my impression that Storm would consider setting up PPL training.
As far as the facilities are concerned, Eshott would make a very suitable facility for PPL training, which would be much more cost effective than operating out of EGNT. As far as navigation aids are concerned, it would probably be possible to perform a let down at EGNT and then proceed visually as is the case from EGPH for Cumbernauld. However, the instrument aspects of the PPL only require a 180 turn out of cloud, and a demonstartion of instrument position fixing and VOR tracking, all of which can be achieved without entering the Newcastle zone.
Paradoxically, IMC and other rating training and renewals can be done at non-licenced fields, although the procedural elements of the IMC course would of course require a field with suitable approach aids and published IAPs.
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The letter did not have anything regarding who was interested or who had made offers, it was basically legal stuff and the aims of RMT and what they hope to achieve.
The 15th Jan is mentioned as a deadline,So it looks like wait and see again.
Regards all
The 15th Jan is mentioned as a deadline,So it looks like wait and see again.
Regards all
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Hi all,
Just a sad day apparently MB has signed the necessary
documents for the club and now it is all over.
So I have been told is he will run a lounge but no flying
which really
.
any comments anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!
regards
landingspeed
Just a sad day apparently MB has signed the necessary
documents for the club and now it is all over.
So I have been told is he will run a lounge but no flying
which really
.any comments anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!
regards
landingspeed
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Hi guys/girls
Yep - just heard that MB has signed on the dotted line and he will turn our historic club into a doss house for suited pillocks and NUFC footballers (same thing really)...
Northumbria Helicopters possibly taking the odd aircraft but I gather still to be operated from behind the Bellman, whether NC has done a deal with MB for the aircraft I don't know but either way Newcastle Upon Tyne Aero Club as we know it is finished - well done to the individuals who created the downfall and for not addressing the issue sooner, and finally WELL DONE to the individuals who used our club to feather their own nests - those people know who I mean...
£60K renovation work to a westerly based "construction" company.... £11K deficit for a fuel bowser.... £60K to "Little Wings".... etc etc etc etc etc..... £30K out of court settlement paid to an ex committee member..... etc etc etc etc etc..... over inflated contracts handed out by certain people.....
Nacker Barslob - you ignorant p****ck, I have stated ALL through this thread my sole purpose while serving on the committee AND my reasons for leaving, if you are intelligent enough to understand that then your last post makes you look dumber than you already are. As stated in earlier posts the only money I spent was for the benifit of the members and that was the self-financing redecoration of the clubhouse which paid for itself after 18 months. That hardly puts me in the BB or AC bracket....but having a pop at me will not change anything
If all that sounds strong then so be it - I feel sick because of what's happened, but I will never run away from anything that I have been involved with and yes, I do feel a certain amount collective resposability for what has happened, but before, after and even during my tenure when certain people were still controlling the club, I can't and won't be held responsible for other peoples actions. As I have stated many times previous to this, I was proud to represent the Aero Club - how many others before me felt like I did towards the club - your answer is probably NONE.
Yep - just heard that MB has signed on the dotted line and he will turn our historic club into a doss house for suited pillocks and NUFC footballers (same thing really)...
Northumbria Helicopters possibly taking the odd aircraft but I gather still to be operated from behind the Bellman, whether NC has done a deal with MB for the aircraft I don't know but either way Newcastle Upon Tyne Aero Club as we know it is finished - well done to the individuals who created the downfall and for not addressing the issue sooner, and finally WELL DONE to the individuals who used our club to feather their own nests - those people know who I mean...
£60K renovation work to a westerly based "construction" company.... £11K deficit for a fuel bowser.... £60K to "Little Wings".... etc etc etc etc etc..... £30K out of court settlement paid to an ex committee member..... etc etc etc etc etc..... over inflated contracts handed out by certain people.....
Nacker Barslob - you ignorant p****ck, I have stated ALL through this thread my sole purpose while serving on the committee AND my reasons for leaving, if you are intelligent enough to understand that then your last post makes you look dumber than you already are. As stated in earlier posts the only money I spent was for the benifit of the members and that was the self-financing redecoration of the clubhouse which paid for itself after 18 months. That hardly puts me in the BB or AC bracket....but having a pop at me will not change anything
If all that sounds strong then so be it - I feel sick because of what's happened, but I will never run away from anything that I have been involved with and yes, I do feel a certain amount collective resposability for what has happened, but before, after and even during my tenure when certain people were still controlling the club, I can't and won't be held responsible for other peoples actions. As I have stated many times previous to this, I was proud to represent the Aero Club - how many others before me felt like I did towards the club - your answer is probably NONE.
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But hang on topjet/noise/etc etc
YOU WERE ONE OF THE COMMITTEE WHO F***** it all UP!!!!
Odd thing is, now TJ/Noise and all his other pseudonyms are replying before my post, by editing themselves.
This is getting very 1984.
The point is TJ you were criticising other committee members not only for having got it wrong, but also for failing to prevent others from getting it wrong (that section of your post I see has now been deleted) but who cares about the truth anymore!
My point was that it was somewhat hippocritical to say the least when as a com member you also failed in rooting out evil and exposing corruption. You clearly had a lot of inside info when you were there, which you have only now started to divulge.
Had you acted sooner and with greater courage you might have prevented the present problems. I am glad that at least you accept that you had some collective responsibility for the demise of the club.
YOU WERE ONE OF THE COMMITTEE WHO F***** it all UP!!!!
Odd thing is, now TJ/Noise and all his other pseudonyms are replying before my post, by editing themselves.
This is getting very 1984.
The point is TJ you were criticising other committee members not only for having got it wrong, but also for failing to prevent others from getting it wrong (that section of your post I see has now been deleted) but who cares about the truth anymore!
My point was that it was somewhat hippocritical to say the least when as a com member you also failed in rooting out evil and exposing corruption. You clearly had a lot of inside info when you were there, which you have only now started to divulge.
Had you acted sooner and with greater courage you might have prevented the present problems. I am glad that at least you accept that you had some collective responsibility for the demise of the club.
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HEY nacker barslob,
I DON'T THINK TOP/NOISE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH
THE DEMISE OF THE CLUB, WE ALL KNOW WHO WERE TO
BLAME.
WHEN THE ABOVE INDIVIDUAL LEFT HIS POST THEIR WAS
OVER 300K IN THE BANK SO THEREFORE THE QUESTIONS
SHOULD BE MADE, WHERE DID IT ALL GO FROM THEN ON
NOT BEFORE.
HERE IS A CLASSIC ONE THE NEW BAR AT THE CLUB DOES
ANYONE KNOW WHAT IT REALLY COST TO DO AND HOW MUCH
THE CLUB PAID FOR IT, i'LL TELL YOU ALL WE COULD HAVE BOUGHT A 747-400 WITH THAT DIFFERENCE THAT ONE PERSON
MADE.
SO THEREFORE QUESTIONS MUST BE MADE TO ALL THAT WERE IN
CONTROL OF THE CLUB'S FUNDS "WERE DID IT ALL GOOOOOO"
I BELIEVE ALL THE MEMBERS SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND START
ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY OF YOU OUT THERE SUPPORT THIS????????
NOW THAT THE CLUB IS GONE SHOULD'NT WE GO FOR THE ONES
THAT PUT US IN THIS POSITION..
I WOULD LIKE SOME OPINIONS GUYS AND GIRLS
LANDINGSPEED.
HELLO TOPJET AND NOISE AND MIKE HALLS AND HOW COULD
I FORGET MR HIGHSPEEDTAPE.....
I DON'T THINK TOP/NOISE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH
THE DEMISE OF THE CLUB, WE ALL KNOW WHO WERE TO
BLAME.
WHEN THE ABOVE INDIVIDUAL LEFT HIS POST THEIR WAS
OVER 300K IN THE BANK SO THEREFORE THE QUESTIONS
SHOULD BE MADE, WHERE DID IT ALL GO FROM THEN ON
NOT BEFORE.
HERE IS A CLASSIC ONE THE NEW BAR AT THE CLUB DOES
ANYONE KNOW WHAT IT REALLY COST TO DO AND HOW MUCH
THE CLUB PAID FOR IT, i'LL TELL YOU ALL WE COULD HAVE BOUGHT A 747-400 WITH THAT DIFFERENCE THAT ONE PERSON
MADE.
SO THEREFORE QUESTIONS MUST BE MADE TO ALL THAT WERE IN
CONTROL OF THE CLUB'S FUNDS "WERE DID IT ALL GOOOOOO"
I BELIEVE ALL THE MEMBERS SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND START
ASKING A LOT OF
QUESTIONS.HOW MANY OF YOU OUT THERE SUPPORT THIS????????
NOW THAT THE CLUB IS GONE SHOULD'NT WE GO FOR THE ONES
THAT PUT US IN THIS POSITION..
I WOULD LIKE SOME OPINIONS GUYS AND GIRLS
LANDINGSPEED.
HELLO TOPJET AND NOISE AND MIKE HALLS AND HOW COULD
I FORGET MR HIGHSPEEDTAPE.....
