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Old 24th Jan 2005, 15:28
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BigStu - nice one big man!

Fill your trolley with nice things like king prawns & pasta - you know the sort of stuff, then loiter around the hair shampoo area, always a target rich environment! Failing that you will always find a babe on the checkout, especially at our local 24 hr gaff at Kingston Park. They tend to feel sorry for the "more mature" man who shops alone!

If not then JO will be in the cereal aisle!

Happy hunting!
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Old 24th Jan 2005, 15:34
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Hi Flyers,

Humour while we wait. There may be hope for you all yet!

Sean377; - hope you did not get to much stick from your not so brave ‘friends’

Centrefix; - Your info is out of date. Metaphorically speaking that was yesterday;
Today he applies effort to oportunity and acts on the outcome so
Tomorrow he may be flying one of the 1st VTOL Moller skycars on the market (possibly in shares with noise after that last comment) orders now being taken at £500k I think.

Clearfinals no1;- Great picks and sense of humour! Loved them!
Laughter is the best medicine for our flying afliction. Well done. Perhaps you have some of that spirit somewhere eh!!

Noise;- I was told I got the same answer as other bidders. This was going to be my last post.
But !!!!!!!!!

I will take you at your word. I know many a true word is spoken in jest so if you realy can and are willing to pledge the £200k + what is necessary to get the club another shot & provide satisfactory proof it can be paid for the administrator. Welcome to the team!!!!!! Providing you can get a seconder?

One more team member required then I will have another go at the airport authority and try for that 10-year lease. Pending confirmation from yourself via administrator that cash is on the table in time for their target date.

10-yr lease may be subject to satisfactory performance (over 1 to 2 years) by new NAC set up. Is that acceptable?

Those sick & needy children would love to ride that A320 Airbus.

Do you have the spirit of adventure to take the risk?

Your move Noise.
By your effort so may we all rise!

RSVP ASAP sooner the better etc

Even with above success is not guarenteed.

Food for thought: -

When 1 was young and in 1’s prime
The imposible was done in record time,
But now 1 is old and getting gray
It tends to take too many a day.
Miricles one can never do
For that takes faith and effort from all of you.


Hope2
try

Ps no offence meant by above
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Old 24th Jan 2005, 20:01
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HI flyers

I was unable to get the expected final up date today.
Administrator in meeting when I called told a letter was on its way out to me.
That probably speaks for itself.

Still if the money comes together & the minimum team required re noise message not joke. I will give it one more go.

Still just waiting I felt I had done everything I could that was possible in time available.

Oh by the way I addressed the conscirns about clubs listed building status & the proposed airport development plan with a relative heritage agency they are looking into the matter & I think will keep an eye on it from now on.

Bye for now
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Hi flyers,
The current position as I understand it (which may or may not be correct) is;-

The Administrators hope to complete the sale aspect of their job by sometime on Saturday.
The administrators are independent and legally bound in the way they address the problem.
The Airport Officers as only one of those owed money can not intervene in that legal process.
There is scope within request/information from me to Airport Authority, Local Authority and the Initial offer to Administrators for the proposal within it to enable the charitable option to be tried.
I think that if the Airport Parent Company Board considers info then they may have the option to provide sufficient funds for the administrators to meet their legal requirment to take up offer.
I tried to check re board progress. From my hurried phone call I was led to believe that all being well it will be considered on Wednesday & / or Friday. There is no written confirmation of this & it relies solely on the efforts of Councillor Mole to get it on the agenda and then on board priorities and time for discussion set by the chairperson. Time element is not favourable.
The decision will be business based and then bound by legal administrative procedures, money & time.

I hope this helps with the waiting and that the board have read the latest edition of the New Scientist from which I quote;-

“Giving, grabbing or gormless?
ARE you selfish or generous? Or do you follow the herd, always giving whatever the majority of people deem appropriate?
Society is a mixture of these three types of character, but most of us are the last type, altering our generosity to fit the societal norm, new research has found. It suggests that governments could prompt huge swathes of the population to become more charitable simply by giving more itself or by providing other benevolent role models.”

Flyers in the forum may wish to consider the above if they decide to contribute effort to forming a “steering group” to try and get the best deal for the “victims” either with what happens at Newcastle Airport and or any other place they decied to take their custom.

It is also my understanding that the Original NAC is not completely defunct & buried until the admin process is finished. I think Business Articles and constitutions can contain a clause to cover the resignation or removal of all directors/committee members. This allows for a new small group of members to call an extraordinary general meeting to elect officers providing the meeting is quorate by the constitution. The group of officers could then take part in sorting out the problems & communicate between member victims and the administrators. I think this was tried earlier. It may be possible to resurect the group, re – adopt the name & then build in protective measures like the Trust option with whatever comes out of the admin process.

Personalliy I think an open meeting for all flyers and future flyers in the region is more appropriate as in the long term it is a regional matter not simply the demise of yet another flying club.

In the event a steering group is formed the following organisations may be able to help;-

Newcastle Council for Voluntary Services. Tel; 0191 4884589
I have spoken to them. They may be able to help with clarifying charitable purpose, advice on setting up most suitable legal status ie. Trust plus Company of charitable purpose with Ltd guarentee. Or basic constituted Associations.

N.E.S.E.T., Tel; 01207588534
I have spoken to them. They may be able to help with completting a business development plan.

Both the above I think are essential contacts and procedurs to follow whatever you all decide about joining new groups.

I still think the administrator had the best interest of the victims at heart within their, (i belive) legal duty to get the most money for those it is owed to.

When & if I am informed of outcome I will let you know. I think many of you will know before me
Best of luck
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Old 25th Jan 2005, 14:26
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Noticed the same thing.

Looks like someone doesn't want us to know that 80% of the posts are coming from one person in the guise of several user names Noise, Topjet etc.

No doubt this will be removed soon as well!!!

So much for freedom of speech.
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Old 25th Jan 2005, 15:45
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The missing posts were deleted by the user who posted them, there were quite a few as well. The ones I removed were simply asking what an IP address was and related questions. Any suggestion of gaining posters details and knowing who they are through technical means goes in the bin too. Is this ok Charlie32?
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I have no idea how people have been identified, nor do I know much or particularly care about IP addresses however since this thread seems to be generated to a large extent by Noiseabatement and Topjet, and since the allegation is that they are one and the same person, (which was basically admitted by either Topjet or Noise can't remember which) I would have thought that this should be a matter of "public interest", particularly when those two usernames appear to have been conducting a dialogue between themselves.

It poses a valid query over the reliability of posts under those names on this topic.

Charlie, would you check your PM's please....

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Old 25th Jan 2005, 16:17
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Charlie32

All my posts are genuine and what I know to be true regarding Aero Club - all worthwhile information to this thread, also please check your PM box.

There does appear to be some "confusion" as to who is who, but it's who I am that is important and many other PPRUNER's know me personally.

Had a nice hot cup of tea with JC today, he's keeping his pecker up and was over the moon when I delivered his new model - the Vickers Wellington - hope you like it mate? (Is JC on Prune?)

Cheers

M

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Old 26th Jan 2005, 00:11
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Hi All,

Well, aint been on here for few days people so I thought I would just say a few words after I read AEROsmithy's post on what people who were still training are doing now.

I had my first lesson at Teeside on Sunday (BigSteve ducks behind chair to avoid the sharp objects being thown in his direction...hehe).
Joking aside, I couldn't wait any longer, just had to get back up in the air, and I didn't want to wait too long and end up forgetting everything I'd been taught so far (although it seems the many alcohol abusing sessions in the name of christmas may have done that already).
But don't worry all, I will be back at the NAC if things make a turn for the better.

To put things in perspective regarding landing fees etc putting people off using Newcastle that has been mentioned in previous posts by others. On Sunday at Teeside I was up for 50mins just having a fly around, getting back into the swing of things (a few turns, stalls, getting to know the area etc.), went back to the airport and did a touch n go and a landing and the whole thing cost me 81 quid. I was one of the people that got caught out with the on peak/off peak fees at Newcastle and spent an hour in the circuit in October which cost me over 220 quid, which if I recall the prices correctly almost 50% of that was on those bloody landing fees. You can see the difference its going to make to my bank balance at the end of my training.

I still hope something positive comes out of this whole mess (although it's looking less hopeful by the day) and like I said, if the NAC returns in whatever shape or form I'll be back there in a jiffy because it takes me an hour to get to Teeside (2 if some fool veers off of the western by-pass gawping at the Angel).

Hope to see you all up in the air again.

Big Steve
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Old 26th Jan 2005, 10:37
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Having just spent the last two hours reading the above, I'm both saddened and shocked to learn of the troubles of Newcastle Aero Club. I spent many years from 1986 onwards completing PPL, Night, IMC and Multi-engine ratings at the club followed by hours building from Newcastle. Those were the days when both Flying School and Social Club thrived in their own right and a buzz surrounded the two buildings.

A few years on, Gill Aviation expanded dramatically and the Aero Club became both staff canteen and after-work venue for the airline. The Clubhouse remained a "hangout" for, student, private and professional pilots, and enthusiasts from all walks of life.

Having moved from the area, I still make my bi-annual visit to the club to re-validate my PPL and catch up on gossip.

In recent years, since the amalgamation of the two buildings and the demise of Gill, the atmosphere has changed. Gone is the bar-full of enthusiasts and a more unfriendly and impersonal air exists despite the many welcoming faces.

Surely, with a few changes the Club could be rescued, "as is" with a small amount of funding from either the membership or an understanding financial institution? After an 80 year survival through many recessions the Club can't be allowed to simply cease trading and I, for one, would be happy to contribute to any proposed rescue fund.

More importantly, I hope that those whom have given their time and enthusiasm will be recognised in any restructure. They are, after all, the heart of the Club.

Best Wishes to All,

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Old 26th Jan 2005, 14:03
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Hi Gang!

BigSteve81 - How's it going mate? What's the setup like at "Durham Tees Valley" - I haven't been there for ages?

That's a really good deal for the detail you got there, doubt that could ever be matched at Newcastle, still - you never know.

It's a shame that loads of people who trained and flew at the Aero Club are only finding out the what's happened - it's a tragedy. Kind words from Shanwick - we all know who the heart of the club was and hopefully that will be recognised in the future.

Something very amusing happened when I was having a cuppa with JC yesterday - the airport finance section telephoned the office regarding an invoice of some kind, she wasn't even aware that we were in administration, and that's Mr P's finance section - if they weren't aware then how many other departments aren't?

NB: Whatever happened to the Tampico?

Cheers

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Good to here from you, how are you? Don't know if you remember me, but I know you.

Any chance your boss might cough up some dough? Or perhaps buy the club himself! After all, BA have (had?) their own club.

My cuz flies for the same firm (A340's), maybe I'll ask him to put in a word!

BTW, what you doing in France?

All the best.

Sean

I also flew from Teesside this week!
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The Tampico

I think Matt Clarke bought the Tampico and then sold it on.
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Hi All,

Hi Topjet, not bad mate.
Nice and tidy, it's got a big airport feel to it without the big airport traffic. I couldn't believe how empty the air was, there were times in newcastle I ended up holding for 10-15mins before landing. There was only one airliner at Teeside and it was parked up doing nothing when I landed.
I decided to go to St George Flight training over Cleveland flying school as it was a little cheaper. 98 pound an hour inc. landing fee's done it for me. They've got a little fleet of tomahawks and warriors so there's a wee bit of variety too.
I haven't been to Cleveland Flying school but will no doubt head there when I want to learn how to do loops and rolls in these things.
And with them both running CPL courses, well give me a few years and hopefully I'll be up there with the big boys!

Big Steve
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Topjet and noise are not the same people.

Noise is a professional.

On a lighter note I flew from EGNC today, a tad expensive.



Anybody got any good news ?


Regards all
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Been going to St. George's on and off for just under two years now.Thank God there was a place I could revalidate my PPL and IMC earlier this month.
I wonder how many EGNT flyers have revalidations over the next few months and feel marooned by events at NAC?
Hope nobody lets their hard earned licence go the way of the aero club.
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Hi Gang

Carbheat - How you doing, good point re: revalidations, thankfully I got mine done in July along with most of the "Class of 2000" at EGNT who would have also been due there or thereabouts - hopefully those who needed it done got it done.

If the worst comes to the worst then Durham Tees Valley or Carlisle will be the places to go although bieng a member of another flying club will now be no doubt showing it's worth.

What's the lastest on the MB/Samson saga? When I spoke to JC he knew little of what was happening.

GonTek - thanks big fella, was the Traumahawk fun?


Cheers all.

M
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Re-Validation

Err... mine is due (overdue now). I was in the middle of arranging it for a convenient time but events have overtaken me Looks like it's going to have to be either Steve Marples (1st choice) or Carlisle or Teesside
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No problem TJ

The T/Hawk was an interesting thing to fly.Had fun at Kirkbride dodgeing the traffic !!!!! First attempt was a go around due to an artic crossing runway,made 2nd attempt.

Returned to EGNC for circuits, 1 v-low go round from about 3ft,
FI decided last final to include PFL on 01 with side slip for added fun. All in all good fun just like drivng test all over again,got rid of the cobwebs.

Very friendly, decent aircraft, but more expensive than NAC unfortunately.They have only just started from the old Carlisle Flight Centre and may be cheaper later but did say midweek prices were to be looked at.

No good news on any front I take it.

We live in hope !!!!

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Gang

Speedtape - Now that's interesting, I genuinely wasn't aware the Steve Marples could do or did revalidations, although it does make sense now.

Gon Tek - just the one artic at Kirkbride!

Aint heard any news at all, maybe a call to the ever helpfull RMT later

Wish they or somebody would hurry up and make a decision either way, very frustrating for all AND I miss the craic in the bar - popping in after a "hop" to hammer the Northumbrian, mingling with the girls from the "orange airline" - one in particular swigging dry cider for fun - all brilliant banter & I miss it.

Cheers all.

M
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