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i got a great idea
on the first thursday of every month we will have a quiz!!!
fill the club with senior members and there spouses
knock out some sarnies
continually hastle anthony as to why there is no chips on tonite
stick the 2 pounds worth of winnings in the bandit
then go home
if this proposal goes ahead can i be the quiz master
pleeaaaaassseee
on the first thursday of every month we will have a quiz!!!
fill the club with senior members and there spouses
knock out some sarnies
continually hastle anthony as to why there is no chips on tonite
stick the 2 pounds worth of winnings in the bandit
then go home
if this proposal goes ahead can i be the quiz master
pleeaaaaassseee
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BaharainLad: Yes, I totally agree with you - Parkin has brought the low cost travel era to EGNT and transformed things to the level that 5 years ago were only a dream. Can't disagree with anything you say but do you disagree with my points?
You raise good points, this whole thing is a mess - I can't say any more.
What does really annoy me is why a certain airline gets something that my airline doesn't - answer me that!
We may come from different angles on this issue but I do appreciate your points.
Hope 2 Fly: Have you submitted your "rescue plan" to the RMT?
Urdy Gurdy: I think you may need to speak to "General Custer" to obtain the position of "Quiz Master"
Thank you
B
BaharainLad: Yes, I totally agree with you - Parkin has brought the low cost travel era to EGNT and transformed things to the level that 5 years ago were only a dream. Can't disagree with anything you say but do you disagree with my points?
You raise good points, this whole thing is a mess - I can't say any more.
What does really annoy me is why a certain airline gets something that my airline doesn't - answer me that!
We may come from different angles on this issue but I do appreciate your points.
Hope 2 Fly: Have you submitted your "rescue plan" to the RMT?
Urdy Gurdy: I think you may need to speak to "General Custer" to obtain the position of "Quiz Master"
Thank you
B
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BahrainLad.
Are you calling the members of Newcastle Areo Club a bunch of whining, spoilt Biggles-wannabees?
If so, I would point out to you that the majority of those who flew there were hard-working people who saved their money to fly and did not indulge in other pastimes because they wanted to use their money to fly.
Many of us wanted careers in Aviation and have made quite substantial financial sacrifices to fly and are anything but "whining, spoilt Biggles-wannabees" to use your elegant phrase.
You also say "No longer will government provide kilometres of paved asphalt so that a certain branch of their constituents can piss about and play Lord Flashhart for a vastly subsidised price."
I can assure you that neither I, nor the vast majority of those I know who have learned to fly at, and would would like to continue to fly recreationally from, Newcastle, have ever pissed about and played Lord Flashhart.
If that's what you do when you fly, if you fly, I hope I never encounter you.
All most of us want is the oportunity to fly from Newcastle at a realistic price and to be able to have a social atmosphere in which to discuss aviation...if that's unacceptable to you I suspect you have some kind of bigotted "class" chip on your shoulder, assuming you think Aviation is an upper-class type of pass-time like foxhunting.
Are you calling the members of Newcastle Areo Club a bunch of whining, spoilt Biggles-wannabees?
If so, I would point out to you that the majority of those who flew there were hard-working people who saved their money to fly and did not indulge in other pastimes because they wanted to use their money to fly.
Many of us wanted careers in Aviation and have made quite substantial financial sacrifices to fly and are anything but "whining, spoilt Biggles-wannabees" to use your elegant phrase.
You also say "No longer will government provide kilometres of paved asphalt so that a certain branch of their constituents can piss about and play Lord Flashhart for a vastly subsidised price."
I can assure you that neither I, nor the vast majority of those I know who have learned to fly at, and would would like to continue to fly recreationally from, Newcastle, have ever pissed about and played Lord Flashhart.
If that's what you do when you fly, if you fly, I hope I never encounter you.
All most of us want is the oportunity to fly from Newcastle at a realistic price and to be able to have a social atmosphere in which to discuss aviation...if that's unacceptable to you I suspect you have some kind of bigotted "class" chip on your shoulder, assuming you think Aviation is an upper-class type of pass-time like foxhunting.
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Mu Beta: HERE HERE & WELL SAID! I suspect an employee of EGNT, possibly in "higher areas".... get my drift?
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Mu Beta: HERE HERE & WELL SAID! I suspect an employee of EGNT, possibly in "higher areas".... get my drift?
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Hi Flyers,
I confirm I submitted an initial offer to RMT by the deadline of 12 noon on the 7/1/2005.
My last phone conversations with Linda Farish on Tuesday/ Wednesday last indicated it was still in with a chance. It may be one of the “two prospective buyers wished to see the club continue” mentioned in yesterday’s Journal.
If that is correct please note; -
I AM NOT THE PROSPECTIVE BUYER! YOU THE REGIONS FLYING COMMUNITY ARE!
As such you will be represented on the Newcastle Aero Club Trust. BUT ONLY IF YOU ACT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!
An approach is being made to the Local Authority owners of the airport to ensure they themselves consider this proposal and help to implement it if appropriate & possible in the time scale permitted by the administrators.
Councillor Mole The cabinet member on Gateshead council with responsibility for their share of the airport agreed on the phone to look into the issue tomorrow Monday. The officer responsible for assisting him is Gavin Monument. As a Gateshead resident I have a right to request their help in community matters.
This approach will have more chance of success if all SEVEN LOCAL AUTHORITIES address it for their residents. If you are INTERESTED IN HELPING ! CONTACT YOUR RESPECTIVE OFFICER AND COUNCILOR. On Monday morning or ASAP.
I think The Local Authority with lead role on Airport holding company is South Tyneside and the officer to contact is David Slater Phone number 0191 4271717. As leaders their support is important. There may be a relevant meeting on midweek or following week(not sure).
Money is often the final decider but people can influence and direct it or change outcomes. This was recently proved when a government was compelled to re –run elections !!!!!!!!!
Remember the most valuable business asset being sold is you, the potential membership and your spending power. Pledge that to the option of your choice is your way of influencing the outcome of this unfortunate situation.
On finances every pledge no mater how small will help you to win back your club.
Urdy Gurdy;- Thank you for offering to run a fundraising quiz. That is the kind of spirit needed to succeed. Can you do it next week????????!!!!!!!! PLEASE ?
Which proposal do you support ?
The suggestion made earlier still stands for other proposals to co-operate with each other on charitable basis. I am unable to contact them. If other people can please let them know and feed back through this forum.
Finally my computer keeps crashing and locking up but I will try to post when I can.
Best wishes
Hope2
I confirm I submitted an initial offer to RMT by the deadline of 12 noon on the 7/1/2005.
My last phone conversations with Linda Farish on Tuesday/ Wednesday last indicated it was still in with a chance. It may be one of the “two prospective buyers wished to see the club continue” mentioned in yesterday’s Journal.
If that is correct please note; -
I AM NOT THE PROSPECTIVE BUYER! YOU THE REGIONS FLYING COMMUNITY ARE!
As such you will be represented on the Newcastle Aero Club Trust. BUT ONLY IF YOU ACT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!
An approach is being made to the Local Authority owners of the airport to ensure they themselves consider this proposal and help to implement it if appropriate & possible in the time scale permitted by the administrators.
Councillor Mole The cabinet member on Gateshead council with responsibility for their share of the airport agreed on the phone to look into the issue tomorrow Monday. The officer responsible for assisting him is Gavin Monument. As a Gateshead resident I have a right to request their help in community matters.
This approach will have more chance of success if all SEVEN LOCAL AUTHORITIES address it for their residents. If you are INTERESTED IN HELPING ! CONTACT YOUR RESPECTIVE OFFICER AND COUNCILOR. On Monday morning or ASAP.
I think The Local Authority with lead role on Airport holding company is South Tyneside and the officer to contact is David Slater Phone number 0191 4271717. As leaders their support is important. There may be a relevant meeting on midweek or following week(not sure).
Money is often the final decider but people can influence and direct it or change outcomes. This was recently proved when a government was compelled to re –run elections !!!!!!!!!
Remember the most valuable business asset being sold is you, the potential membership and your spending power. Pledge that to the option of your choice is your way of influencing the outcome of this unfortunate situation.
On finances every pledge no mater how small will help you to win back your club.
Urdy Gurdy;- Thank you for offering to run a fundraising quiz. That is the kind of spirit needed to succeed. Can you do it next week????????!!!!!!!! PLEASE ?
Which proposal do you support ?
The suggestion made earlier still stands for other proposals to co-operate with each other on charitable basis. I am unable to contact them. If other people can please let them know and feed back through this forum.
Finally my computer keeps crashing and locking up but I will try to post when I can.
Best wishes
Hope2
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Hope 2 Fly:
Take a reality check, the airport authorities will simply not entertain your "proposals".
Unless you have up to £200K to purchase the assets to satisfy the creditors then I'm afraid you are doing nothing more than blowing hot air and giving the loyal members nothing more than false hope.
Personally I wish you would halt your futile waffle and concentrate on something that you have a little knowledge in.
You say you have submitted an "initial offer" to the RMT - that is not what I understand to be true.
I really suspect your motives and who you are.
B
Take a reality check, the airport authorities will simply not entertain your "proposals".
Unless you have up to £200K to purchase the assets to satisfy the creditors then I'm afraid you are doing nothing more than blowing hot air and giving the loyal members nothing more than false hope.
Personally I wish you would halt your futile waffle and concentrate on something that you have a little knowledge in.
You say you have submitted an "initial offer" to the RMT - that is not what I understand to be true.
I really suspect your motives and who you are.
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Hi Gang!
Wow
I see Noiseabatement must have another dose of jetlag, although his postings do echo a lot of common sense and reality.
Popped up to Aero Club today (to do some photography) and had a chat with our leader JC! The only thing moving on the south apron was the Jet Provost and N96TA, the whole place was depressingly quiet.
No doubt this week is the week where we hopefully find out about our future whether it be Elia (I hope) or one of the other proposals that will assure us of flight training and private hire.
Cheers gang.
M
Wow
I see Noiseabatement must have another dose of jetlag, although his postings do echo a lot of common sense and reality.
Popped up to Aero Club today (to do some photography) and had a chat with our leader JC! The only thing moving on the south apron was the Jet Provost and N96TA, the whole place was depressingly quiet.
No doubt this week is the week where we hopefully find out about our future whether it be Elia (I hope) or one of the other proposals that will assure us of flight training and private hire.
Cheers gang.
M
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Admittedly my initial posting on this thread was a trifle harsh, for which I apologise, but it symbolised the growing frustration at some of the comments coming in this thread.
I perfectly support the right to fly...some of the best times I had at school were being thrown around the sky in a Bulldog from Benson (and Mu Beta that could give you a clue as to my social background....is it not you who has the chip on his shoulder by labelling every political debate as some form of "class warfare"?)
However, we now live in 2005 and you must face the facts. Money talks. This is not about being "allowed" to fly at a "reasonable" price because such "freedom" implies a subsidy coming from somebody at some point. This is about NAC paying its way at EGNT. The airfield is getting busier and the "cost" of GA in overall terms outweighs the benefits that derive from monetary terms....especially seeing as NAC is so much in debt. Finally, perhaps if NAC had not been so chronically mismanaged NIAL may have looked more favourably upon a loss-making concern. Why has Parkin never been invited over to NAC? Someone suggested that the first thing NAC should have done was to take him for a spin and give him a pint....hardly a better way to get him on side than that? But when you have a mistrust of someone it clouds your entire actions until it's too late.
Personally, of all the clubs I am a member of, the committees are held to account by the members and the accounts are signed off annually by auditors. Surely with the membership demographic (ABC1) it would be reasonable to expect someone to have realised the club was heading south?
And as for invoking the 'public' ownership of NIAL, that won't get you anywhere. Private shareholders in a PPP go through extensive due dilligence to enshrine non-interference by local government. In any case, local councils have police, education, hospitals and countless other things to worry about other than wealthy (in the North East, if you can afford private flying lessons, you are "loaded" compared to the majority of the population) people who have lost their toy.
Finally, I don't work for NIAL, but if you have any doubts about their commitment to the well-being of the community take a look at what they're doing at Newcastle Aviation Academy.
I perfectly support the right to fly...some of the best times I had at school were being thrown around the sky in a Bulldog from Benson (and Mu Beta that could give you a clue as to my social background....is it not you who has the chip on his shoulder by labelling every political debate as some form of "class warfare"?)
However, we now live in 2005 and you must face the facts. Money talks. This is not about being "allowed" to fly at a "reasonable" price because such "freedom" implies a subsidy coming from somebody at some point. This is about NAC paying its way at EGNT. The airfield is getting busier and the "cost" of GA in overall terms outweighs the benefits that derive from monetary terms....especially seeing as NAC is so much in debt. Finally, perhaps if NAC had not been so chronically mismanaged NIAL may have looked more favourably upon a loss-making concern. Why has Parkin never been invited over to NAC? Someone suggested that the first thing NAC should have done was to take him for a spin and give him a pint....hardly a better way to get him on side than that? But when you have a mistrust of someone it clouds your entire actions until it's too late.
Personally, of all the clubs I am a member of, the committees are held to account by the members and the accounts are signed off annually by auditors. Surely with the membership demographic (ABC1) it would be reasonable to expect someone to have realised the club was heading south?
And as for invoking the 'public' ownership of NIAL, that won't get you anywhere. Private shareholders in a PPP go through extensive due dilligence to enshrine non-interference by local government. In any case, local councils have police, education, hospitals and countless other things to worry about other than wealthy (in the North East, if you can afford private flying lessons, you are "loaded" compared to the majority of the population) people who have lost their toy.
Finally, I don't work for NIAL, but if you have any doubts about their commitment to the well-being of the community take a look at what they're doing at Newcastle Aviation Academy.
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HI flyers,
Noise & Topjet:- I recognise your loyalties to Elia & respect them.
Have you asked him if he is interested in making his offer into an independent trust?
The only Proposal mentioned on this site that a I am aware of that contained some interest for or involvement of members is Elia's offer to look after the members. Do you Know who the other one mentioned in the chronical is?
Noise:- your post implies inside knowledge of the proposals RMT have hold of. Please state clearly what you mean about your understanding & from where it arises?
I agree the hope is slim & time is against its success it is certainly not false on my part.
There are no guarentees that what I suggested will be achieved.
I do not claim it will be easily achieved only that I believe it possible provided enough people join in and do not rely tottaly on third parties to provide them with a club.
If it is not achieved it will not be for the want of trying on my part.
Best wishes for success
Hope2
Bharain lad who or what is NIAL? Please excuse my ignorance.
Noise & Topjet:- I recognise your loyalties to Elia & respect them.
Have you asked him if he is interested in making his offer into an independent trust?
The only Proposal mentioned on this site that a I am aware of that contained some interest for or involvement of members is Elia's offer to look after the members. Do you Know who the other one mentioned in the chronical is?
Noise:- your post implies inside knowledge of the proposals RMT have hold of. Please state clearly what you mean about your understanding & from where it arises?
I agree the hope is slim & time is against its success it is certainly not false on my part.
There are no guarentees that what I suggested will be achieved.
I do not claim it will be easily achieved only that I believe it possible provided enough people join in and do not rely tottaly on third parties to provide them with a club.
If it is not achieved it will not be for the want of trying on my part.
Best wishes for success
Hope2
Bharain lad who or what is NIAL? Please excuse my ignorance.
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Hi All,
Been following this closely since I joined a few weeks ago and didn't really have much to say until I read BahrainLad's comments.
I noted he said in the above sentence 'if you can afford private flying lessons, you are "loaded" compared to the majority of the population'. Not quite right. Im 23yrs old just finished university and have a job that pays less than the UK national average wage. I don't own a house because I can't afford a mortgage, I drive a car that cost me a grand total of 500 pounds, I basically live the cheapest existance I possibly can. And thats simply down to the fact that I want to eventually fly for a living. And as for the part 'wealthy people who have lost their toy.' You may want to give consideration to the people are not wealthy, like myself (and probably a few other members of the NAC), who have lost their flying school.
If I could afford it then that would have been my 2 pence worth
Big Steve
Been following this closely since I joined a few weeks ago and didn't really have much to say until I read BahrainLad's comments.
In any case, local councils have police, education, hospitals and countless other things to worry about other than wealthy (in the North East, if you can afford private flying lessons, you are "loaded" compared to the majority of the population) people who have lost their toy.
If I could afford it then that would have been my 2 pence worth
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As a very newly registered member to the Prune Forum I have been working through the many posts relating to the NAC situation with great interest. Having been a flying member of the club from 1977 to around '86 I felt I had to make a general comment.
Whatever the circumstances, financial mismanagement or otherwise that may or may not have put the club out of business, make no mistake......airport management or more specifically J.Parkin wanted the NAC out of Ncle Airport.
To give some perspective on the mentality of the management I would like to highlight a perhaps little known episode that occurred on the maintenance area of the airport a few months ago which involved Mr Parkin.
733 (Newcastle Airport) Squadron Air Training Corps has had a Headquarters at Ncle Airport for around 45 YEARS. 100's of aviation mined youth have passed through its doors over that time, many going onto military and civil flying careers and those that didn't at the very least began careers all the better for having been members of a great youth organisation. Now, as a community based asset (please note BahrainLad re the ending your last post) you would imagine an international airport would be proud to have an ATC squadron within its vast acreage, Heathrow and Manchester management are!
733 sqn has served the airport and the surrounding community honourably, nevertheless cadets and staff were given their marching orders by Mr Parkin. They just didn't fit into the master plan!
By removing 733 squadron from their small plot after such a long history with the airport Mr Parkin has shown contemptible meanness, therefore knowing the nature of the beast I would not expect Mr Parkin to show the slightest consideration or sympathy towards the oldest aero club in the UK in its hour of need. Indeed I would anticipate every possible obsticle thrown up to prevent any recovery package for the club succeeding.
Nevertheless I sincerely hope the club survives in some shape or form.
Great web site.
Whatever the circumstances, financial mismanagement or otherwise that may or may not have put the club out of business, make no mistake......airport management or more specifically J.Parkin wanted the NAC out of Ncle Airport.
To give some perspective on the mentality of the management I would like to highlight a perhaps little known episode that occurred on the maintenance area of the airport a few months ago which involved Mr Parkin.
733 (Newcastle Airport) Squadron Air Training Corps has had a Headquarters at Ncle Airport for around 45 YEARS. 100's of aviation mined youth have passed through its doors over that time, many going onto military and civil flying careers and those that didn't at the very least began careers all the better for having been members of a great youth organisation. Now, as a community based asset (please note BahrainLad re the ending your last post) you would imagine an international airport would be proud to have an ATC squadron within its vast acreage, Heathrow and Manchester management are!
733 sqn has served the airport and the surrounding community honourably, nevertheless cadets and staff were given their marching orders by Mr Parkin. They just didn't fit into the master plan!
By removing 733 squadron from their small plot after such a long history with the airport Mr Parkin has shown contemptible meanness, therefore knowing the nature of the beast I would not expect Mr Parkin to show the slightest consideration or sympathy towards the oldest aero club in the UK in its hour of need. Indeed I would anticipate every possible obsticle thrown up to prevent any recovery package for the club succeeding.
Nevertheless I sincerely hope the club survives in some shape or form.
Great web site.
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Hmmm......398 (Heathrow Airport) Air Cadets operate from a church hall.....not from two ramshackle portakabins within spitting distance of the RZ and sitting right next to an RVP and emergency access route! (Which according to friends in the freight village, they continually used as a parade ground. I mean an RVP! How stupid can you get!?)
Rumour is that the ATC had 7 years notice that they would have no lease renewal and doggedly clung to "it'll never happen to us." Seems the same head-in-the-sand mentality applies at NAC as well!
Rumour is that the ATC had 7 years notice that they would have no lease renewal and doggedly clung to "it'll never happen to us." Seems the same head-in-the-sand mentality applies at NAC as well!
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I agree sabreliner, 733 sqn got their marching orders because they did not fit into the airports 'business stategy'. Neither does GA, full stop.
There is perhaps one more thorn in NIAL's side that it needs to get shot of, and that is the Bellman hangar. A large number of Newcastle based light aircraft reside there. Around about the same time the current airport management took over, it was anounced to all Bellman residents that all preventative and routine maintenance was being stopped, and once the hangar became too dangerous to be used, it would be demolished. Have you seen it lately? It's not that far away from collapsing of it's own accord, especially after the recent high winds. A certain helicopter operation that uses the Bellman has (wisely) opted to park it's aircraft in the middle of the hangar to reduce the chances of damage should another wall panel fall off!
733 sqn - gone!
NAC - gone!
Bellman and over 50% of Newcastle's GA residents - ???
Me thinks (regretably) it's time to start looking elsewhere.
Sean
There is perhaps one more thorn in NIAL's side that it needs to get shot of, and that is the Bellman hangar. A large number of Newcastle based light aircraft reside there. Around about the same time the current airport management took over, it was anounced to all Bellman residents that all preventative and routine maintenance was being stopped, and once the hangar became too dangerous to be used, it would be demolished. Have you seen it lately? It's not that far away from collapsing of it's own accord, especially after the recent high winds. A certain helicopter operation that uses the Bellman has (wisely) opted to park it's aircraft in the middle of the hangar to reduce the chances of damage should another wall panel fall off!
733 sqn - gone!
NAC - gone!
Bellman and over 50% of Newcastle's GA residents - ???
Me thinks (regretably) it's time to start looking elsewhere.
Sean
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You are wrong.
Many of the flights conducted by NAC were for locals who had saved hard to buy friends and relatives an exciting present, an hours glimpse into the wonders of flight. Many of those who went on to get their PPLs from low paid employment, did so by making considerable sacrifices elsewhere, e.g. not going on exotic holidays to fantasy islands.
Why is fulfilling that dream so unacceptable by comparison with the dream of flying off to Prague or Barcelona at a realistic price?
These things are all about relative values, the overall quality of life and the ability to choose how one enhances one's life. To reduce life to an accountant's balance sheet is surely to stifle the joys of life for many.
Without dreamers like the Wright brothers and the aviators from the proud history of NAC both military and civil, Parkin and his mob would not have an industry to make their living from, and boy do they make a good living from bean-counting!!
As has previously been pointed out, it is false accounting to try and treat a PA28 training flight and a 737 with 120 PAX in the same way. Their requirements from the airport are quite different, but in many ways complimentary.
It is true that flight training will never provide the sort of income that the retail outlets and possibly the low cost carriers do for the airport. But what is the point of destroying an institution and a minority sport if there is no tangible gain. NAC activities almost never impeded commercial operations.
If all airports in the UK took the same attitude as NIA and got rid of the flying schools and ATCs then the industry would ultimately implode because of a lack of aircrew. Sadly the policy seems to be, we will let someone else do the training and effectively gain a subsidised industry from others. Eventually there will be no others doing the training.
Finally it is quite true that Parkin was indeed asked on several occasions to attend functions at the club and present the wings, a task which Trevor Went undertook on numerous occasions during his tenure as CEO of the airport. It is also true that Parkin declined to accept any invitations.
By contrast, Trevor Went was indeed a gentleman and had the best interests of aviation in general at heart, more than that he presided over a happy working environment at NIA where a corp d'esprit existed between both employees and tenants on the field. He will be remembered with affection. Sadly the present regime will get very rich, but will certainly not be missed by anyone in the aviation community of the North East.
You are wrong.
Many of the flights conducted by NAC were for locals who had saved hard to buy friends and relatives an exciting present, an hours glimpse into the wonders of flight. Many of those who went on to get their PPLs from low paid employment, did so by making considerable sacrifices elsewhere, e.g. not going on exotic holidays to fantasy islands.
Why is fulfilling that dream so unacceptable by comparison with the dream of flying off to Prague or Barcelona at a realistic price?
These things are all about relative values, the overall quality of life and the ability to choose how one enhances one's life. To reduce life to an accountant's balance sheet is surely to stifle the joys of life for many.
Without dreamers like the Wright brothers and the aviators from the proud history of NAC both military and civil, Parkin and his mob would not have an industry to make their living from, and boy do they make a good living from bean-counting!!
As has previously been pointed out, it is false accounting to try and treat a PA28 training flight and a 737 with 120 PAX in the same way. Their requirements from the airport are quite different, but in many ways complimentary.
It is true that flight training will never provide the sort of income that the retail outlets and possibly the low cost carriers do for the airport. But what is the point of destroying an institution and a minority sport if there is no tangible gain. NAC activities almost never impeded commercial operations.
If all airports in the UK took the same attitude as NIA and got rid of the flying schools and ATCs then the industry would ultimately implode because of a lack of aircrew. Sadly the policy seems to be, we will let someone else do the training and effectively gain a subsidised industry from others. Eventually there will be no others doing the training.
Finally it is quite true that Parkin was indeed asked on several occasions to attend functions at the club and present the wings, a task which Trevor Went undertook on numerous occasions during his tenure as CEO of the airport. It is also true that Parkin declined to accept any invitations.
By contrast, Trevor Went was indeed a gentleman and had the best interests of aviation in general at heart, more than that he presided over a happy working environment at NIA where a corp d'esprit existed between both employees and tenants on the field. He will be remembered with affection. Sadly the present regime will get very rich, but will certainly not be missed by anyone in the aviation community of the North East.
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hi guys
Hello all,
how are you topjet and noise,
how are the rest of you guys????????
I had a brief conversation with Elia yesterday about
what he though about the club and the proposal he
made to rmt.
He states that he is one of two or three parties that have
a chance. RMT STATED THAT THEY WOULD ONLY BE CONSIDERING
TWO PARTIES. We all know that RMT wants the largest bid, thats
the one that they want, but will it pass the airport. Now we all
know that parkin does'nt like the club he wants it out. What
elia does not understand is that :
1. the airport will not consider a lease after this remaining one
of three years to conclude with the normal 10 year ongoing lease.
2. THE BIGGEST ITEM ELIA DID NOT LIKE IS THAT ANYONE WHO
TOOK THE PLACE COULD NOT OPEN THE CLUB TO NON-MEMBERS.
3. THE REPAIRS TO THE BUILDING, "WHICH WE ALL KNOW NEEDS WORK" WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE AT THE OWNERS EXPENSE.
It really seems to me that the airport and RMT are really not
working well together.If RMT wants the biggest bid for the whole
lot then they should be working harder with the airport to get
this done. Another thing is that now the airport has stated that
whoever takes the place they have to provide training, with no
more than 7 aircraft. Now samson's bid is the highest at ???????
but we all know he will do any type of training at all, so then
what will RMT do????
1. go to the next bidder????
2. start taking more proposal's
Has anyone looked at the new airport building plan lately???
any feed back guys.!!!!!!
how are you topjet and noise,
how are the rest of you guys????????
I had a brief conversation with Elia yesterday about
what he though about the club and the proposal he
made to rmt.
He states that he is one of two or three parties that have
a chance. RMT STATED THAT THEY WOULD ONLY BE CONSIDERING
TWO PARTIES. We all know that RMT wants the largest bid, thats
the one that they want, but will it pass the airport. Now we all
know that parkin does'nt like the club he wants it out. What
elia does not understand is that :
1. the airport will not consider a lease after this remaining one
of three years to conclude with the normal 10 year ongoing lease.
2. THE BIGGEST ITEM ELIA DID NOT LIKE IS THAT ANYONE WHO
TOOK THE PLACE COULD NOT OPEN THE CLUB TO NON-MEMBERS.
3. THE REPAIRS TO THE BUILDING, "WHICH WE ALL KNOW NEEDS WORK" WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE AT THE OWNERS EXPENSE.
It really seems to me that the airport and RMT are really not
working well together.If RMT wants the biggest bid for the whole
lot then they should be working harder with the airport to get
this done. Another thing is that now the airport has stated that
whoever takes the place they have to provide training, with no
more than 7 aircraft. Now samson's bid is the highest at ???????
but we all know he will do any type of training at all, so then
what will RMT do????
1. go to the next bidder????
2. start taking more proposal's
Has anyone looked at the new airport building plan lately???
any feed back guys.!!!!!!