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What's next?
OK guys; lots of post mortem, lots of acrimony or attempts not to be too acrimonious... let's look to the future. Here are a few questions.
If the club gets revived, should any revived club be [list=1][*]Primarily a flight training establishment[*]Primarily for PPLs to rent planes[*]A mixture - note this has serious planning and equipment implications[/list=1]
How important is the presence of a significant bar and social area?[list=1][*]Very[*]Kind of nice to have[*]Not important[/list=1]
What do people want from the aircraft? How important is it that there is commonality[list=1][*]Very important - eg Cherokee through to Arrow[*]Not important - variety is the spice of life[*]Don't care[/list=1]
Now the all important cost questions:
Landing fees; will the landing fees put you off flying at Newcastle and tempt you to Eshott, Fishburn, Durham Tees-Valley, Peterlee etc
I think these are at least some of the questions that anyone taking over the club will want to have a look at. They might be interested in answers on this forum!
have fun
If the club gets revived, should any revived club be [list=1][*]Primarily a flight training establishment[*]Primarily for PPLs to rent planes[*]A mixture - note this has serious planning and equipment implications[/list=1]
How important is the presence of a significant bar and social area?[list=1][*]Very[*]Kind of nice to have[*]Not important[/list=1]
What do people want from the aircraft? How important is it that there is commonality[list=1][*]Very important - eg Cherokee through to Arrow[*]Not important - variety is the spice of life[*]Don't care[/list=1]
Now the all important cost questions:
Landing fees; will the landing fees put you off flying at Newcastle and tempt you to Eshott, Fishburn, Durham Tees-Valley, Peterlee etc
- Yes, GA is basically over at Newcastle
- No, I'll live with the landing fees
- Don't know
- Yes
- It would make me think again
- I need rigorous attention to quality service
- I'd rather have cheaper flying and won't mind if things don't always run like clockwork
I think these are at least some of the questions that anyone taking over the club will want to have a look at. They might be interested in answers on this forum!
have fun
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Ok
I'll go first (if thats OK with everyone else
)
1) B
2) C
3) B
4) A
5) B
6) A
7) B
HST
edited because I didn't read Q1 properly
I'll go first (if thats OK with everyone else
)1) B
2) C
3) B
4) A
5) B
6) A
7) B
HST
edited because I didn't read Q1 properly
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My answers would be,
1 1 (re the last posting can an instructor train someone outside a fta?)
2 3
3 2
4 2
5 2
6 2
7 Having been to two professional schools, I would actually go for Newcastle...a) because the teaching better in one case and
b) because the costs are astonishing at some of
these places and, if you haven't got
bottomless pockets this is a factor, regretably.
1 1 (re the last posting can an instructor train someone outside a fta?)
2 3
3 2
4 2
5 2
6 2
7 Having been to two professional schools, I would actually go for Newcastle...a) because the teaching better in one case and
b) because the costs are astonishing at some of
these places and, if you haven't got
bottomless pockets this is a factor, regretably.
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First off, can I just say that there is a much more positive tone to this thread - and that has to be a good thing for the future - IMHO.
My response is:
1) B
2) B
3) C
4) B - It would be super if Mr Parkin could be persuaded to offer some discounts but I guess this won't happen.
5) A - Reluctantly
6) B
7) As much as I would want to support our club, my guess would be that I would have to head Stateside in order to keep the costs to a minimum. Unless Elia could offer us the course at EGNT for the same price as we'd pay in Florida
My response is:
1) B
2) B
3) C
4) B - It would be super if Mr Parkin could be persuaded to offer some discounts but I guess this won't happen.
5) A - Reluctantly
6) B
7) As much as I would want to support our club, my guess would be that I would have to head Stateside in order to keep the costs to a minimum. Unless Elia could offer us the course at EGNT for the same price as we'd pay in Florida
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Q1 A mixture, the essence of a viable club, bringing in new blood through ab inition training.
Q2 Bar Important focal point for socialising
Q3 For economy one type not necessarily PA28, ideally more modern, with more multi-function (e.g.training, cruising, aeros, instruments)
Q4 Live with landing fees for now but try and negotiate with new CEO
Q5 Yes
Q6 Cheaper flying with volunteers undertaking more duties, both flying and bar/social
Q7 Forget professional training, leave to established centres, a declining niche market.
In addition wouldn't try to run complex engineering business, but set up contact agreement for maintenece with established facility, with some minor work being provided on site at NCL.
Q2 Bar Important focal point for socialising
Q3 For economy one type not necessarily PA28, ideally more modern, with more multi-function (e.g.training, cruising, aeros, instruments)
Q4 Live with landing fees for now but try and negotiate with new CEO
Q5 Yes
Q6 Cheaper flying with volunteers undertaking more duties, both flying and bar/social
Q7 Forget professional training, leave to established centres, a declining niche market.
In addition wouldn't try to run complex engineering business, but set up contact agreement for maintenece with established facility, with some minor work being provided on site at NCL.
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My thoughts on this:
q1) 2
q2) 3, somewhere to sit and have a coffee maybe but not fussed as long as I can fly.
q3) 2
q4) 2, Newcastle is more convenient for me, extra travelling costs and time would probably be more than the current landing fees anyway, plus I accept (although would rather not have to) we have to pay for the facilities a big airport offers.
q5) 1,as above really, however always have the option to fly to carlisle for instance to practice circuits there.
q6) 1, Don't mind paying a little extra for a professionally run outfit, we might not be in this position now if the club had been run as a commercial concern.
q7) I am going for my atpl's in the new year and would consider training at newcastle if the option was available.
q1) 2
q2) 3, somewhere to sit and have a coffee maybe but not fussed as long as I can fly.
q3) 2
q4) 2, Newcastle is more convenient for me, extra travelling costs and time would probably be more than the current landing fees anyway, plus I accept (although would rather not have to) we have to pay for the facilities a big airport offers.
q5) 1,as above really, however always have the option to fly to carlisle for instance to practice circuits there.
q6) 1, Don't mind paying a little extra for a professionally run outfit, we might not be in this position now if the club had been run as a commercial concern.
q7) I am going for my atpl's in the new year and would consider training at newcastle if the option was available.
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Morning
It's great to see people not wanting to kill each other now
Good list of questions:
1) C
2) A
3) B
4) B
5) A
6) A
All personal opinion of course.
Just an update on Elia's proposal, progressing nicely - maybe news end of the week/very early next week.
Thanks folks
M
It's great to see people not wanting to kill each other now
Good list of questions:
1) C
2) A
3) B
4) B
5) A
6) A
All personal opinion of course.
Just an update on Elia's proposal, progressing nicely - maybe news end of the week/very early next week.
Thanks folks
M
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1 hr 100hrs 1,000 hrs what does it matter safety is No 1.
You basically have answered your own post in the last few lines of your post.
An aircraft out of service meant lost revenue,need I say more.
I understand what you are saying and you obviously know who I am.
Subject closed ?
Anybody got any good news ?
You basically have answered your own post in the last few lines of your post.
An aircraft out of service meant lost revenue,need I say more.
I understand what you are saying and you obviously know who I am.
Subject closed ?
Anybody got any good news ?
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Ladies/Gentleman
Intimidated - about what?
I've provided a great deal of information to this thread, information I was privy too during my unpleasent days and information about the Elia Golfin proposal as I have been working closely with Elia providing him with the necessary information that nobody else could provide. I was one of those committee bods that when I asked any question of a "sensetive" nature I was told that it was either "being dealt with" or "leave well alone and concentrate on the social side."
Everything I know, heard and dealt with has been passed to the administrators.
If you knew me personally then you would realise that I am a man who conducts himself properly, legally and treats people the way that I would like to be treated myself.
Possibly standing for the council of management was the WORST mistake I have made, however you cannot turn back the clock and I served the club honsetly, fairly and gave the members something they hadn't had for years - the minutes of the meeting pinned on the notice board! This was my decision as I felt members had every right to know what was going on, other senior committee members didn't agree. As soon as I had resigned the minutes stopped being posted.
If there is something on your mind that you would like to discuss further then please do not hesitate contact me on the number I sent you via PM the other day.
That fact that poor Barry Lawson claimed he never knew what was going on is very simple - he never asked, for the benefit of the members I made it my business to find out exactly what was going on and I hit somthing called a brick wall & deaf ears.
Cheers
M
Intimidated - about what?
I've provided a great deal of information to this thread, information I was privy too during my unpleasent days and information about the Elia Golfin proposal as I have been working closely with Elia providing him with the necessary information that nobody else could provide. I was one of those committee bods that when I asked any question of a "sensetive" nature I was told that it was either "being dealt with" or "leave well alone and concentrate on the social side."
Everything I know, heard and dealt with has been passed to the administrators.
If you knew me personally then you would realise that I am a man who conducts himself properly, legally and treats people the way that I would like to be treated myself.
Possibly standing for the council of management was the WORST mistake I have made, however you cannot turn back the clock and I served the club honsetly, fairly and gave the members something they hadn't had for years - the minutes of the meeting pinned on the notice board! This was my decision as I felt members had every right to know what was going on, other senior committee members didn't agree. As soon as I had resigned the minutes stopped being posted.
If there is something on your mind that you would like to discuss further then please do not hesitate contact me on the number I sent you via PM the other day.
That fact that poor Barry Lawson claimed he never knew what was going on is very simple - he never asked, for the benefit of the members I made it my business to find out exactly what was going on and I hit somthing called a brick wall & deaf ears.
Cheers
M
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WOW - my first time on the forum and what a disappointment.
A friend, as passionate as we all are about the club suggested I look at the forum. What a disaster.
What are you guys doing - you all care about your club - but you seem intent on airing your feelings in public. Factual or not is immaterial. The whole world can see what a fragmented organisation it is. No wonder its going or gone down the pan, with members such as the majority of you. If you had acted with this passion and had the bottle to take an active part months or years ago you wouldnt have the problems you have now - but what have you done - it looks to me reading this forum as though you are typical bar room lawyers. WHY DIDNT YOU STAND FOR COMMITTEE AND DO SOMETHING.
You should all be pulling together, you should not be washing your dirty linen in public. It is hardly surpirising you have problems - some of your comments are incorrect, some are spot on, but some are simply ill feeling and are defamitory.
The whole world can now see Newcastle Aero Club for what it was not - A CLUB - a group of like minded people.
Start working together and stop slagging off almost everyone.
A friend, as passionate as we all are about the club suggested I look at the forum. What a disaster.
What are you guys doing - you all care about your club - but you seem intent on airing your feelings in public. Factual or not is immaterial. The whole world can see what a fragmented organisation it is. No wonder its going or gone down the pan, with members such as the majority of you. If you had acted with this passion and had the bottle to take an active part months or years ago you wouldnt have the problems you have now - but what have you done - it looks to me reading this forum as though you are typical bar room lawyers. WHY DIDNT YOU STAND FOR COMMITTEE AND DO SOMETHING.
You should all be pulling together, you should not be washing your dirty linen in public. It is hardly surpirising you have problems - some of your comments are incorrect, some are spot on, but some are simply ill feeling and are defamitory.
The whole world can now see Newcastle Aero Club for what it was not - A CLUB - a group of like minded people.
Start working together and stop slagging off almost everyone.
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Dear Members:
Re: Previous posting.
Obviously hasn't (like me) been to the club for a while.
Mr "wise737" - a lot of people who have posted to this thread have the clubs best interests close to them.
We even have 2 ex-committee members contributing regularly and from thier postings it seems it wasn't an easy job at all.
Your posting does nothing than assist those people in calling us all "bar room lawyers".
As it is your 1st time then please take time to read all the posts carefully and as you have just joined PPRUNE I suspect you haven't! Please do not be offended by my words, as you say we need to be together on this one and the thread does now appear to be heading that way.
Good luck.
BB
Re: Previous posting.
Obviously hasn't (like me) been to the club for a while.
Mr "wise737" - a lot of people who have posted to this thread have the clubs best interests close to them.
We even have 2 ex-committee members contributing regularly and from thier postings it seems it wasn't an easy job at all.
Your posting does nothing than assist those people in calling us all "bar room lawyers".
As it is your 1st time then please take time to read all the posts carefully and as you have just joined PPRUNE I suspect you haven't! Please do not be offended by my words, as you say we need to be together on this one and the thread does now appear to be heading that way.
Good luck.
BB
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I don't think it does anybody any good whatsoever to try re-encourage the sort of postings we saw earlier in this thread. It looks to me as if most of us have taken stock of the situation, calmed down and have begun to behave more like the educated, intelligent adults we puport to be instead of a bunch of kids who's toys have been taken off them. I salute all those who have apparently come to their senses. Good show!
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I agree !!!
It's about flying and what used to be N A C.
No more bull, I think we have all vented our feelings and in due process it will all come out in the wash so to speak.
We will all be happier when we do get our toys back !!!!
Be nice to each other ............
It's about flying and what used to be N A C.
No more bull, I think we have all vented our feelings and in due process it will all come out in the wash so to speak.
We will all be happier when we do get our toys back !!!!
Be nice to each other ............
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Perhaps we should all now spare a moment for those poor servants of the club who have received their redunacy notices today.
To one and all of them, I do hope that they are succesful in getting employment that they want.
I for one would like to say a heart felt thank you to them all for their professionalism ,dedication and friendship.
I will miss you all.
To one and all of them, I do hope that they are succesful in getting employment that they want.
I for one would like to say a heart felt thank you to them all for their professionalism ,dedication and friendship.
I will miss you all.
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Aww no 
They know who they are, thanks guys for all of your hard work. I do hope that if/when things are fixed they're the 1st people asked back. I mean the good instructors (you know who I'm talking about) and of course to name JC.
Good luck chaps, safe flying...
Ian Bowden.
They know who they are, thanks guys for all of your hard work. I do hope that if/when things are fixed they're the 1st people asked back. I mean the good instructors (you know who I'm talking about) and of course to name JC.
Good luck chaps, safe flying...
Ian Bowden.
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No I'm not a scary guy, I'm a lamb
But I do know others that are . I dont worry about flak, I thrive on it and I don't have anything whatsoever to do with the running of the club.
Right with that out of way I'll let you ALL get on with trying to resurrect the club without things degenerating too much but I'll be monitoring.
No I'm not a scary guy, I'm a lamb
But I do know others that are . I dont worry about flak, I thrive on it and I don't have anything whatsoever to do with the running of the club.Right with that out of way I'll let you ALL get on with trying to resurrect the club without things degenerating too much but I'll be monitoring.
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Hard to believe that the people who helped all of us achieve the incredible feat of taking a lump of metal off the planet and bringing it back down( after a fashion!!) have been tossed out of work like this.
I have monitored and contributed to this thread with my own (selfish?) ends uppermost, but hearing of the redundancy notices has made me stop to think of the realities of the situation.
Best wishes to the instructors and staff for the future.
I have monitored and contributed to this thread with my own (selfish?) ends uppermost, but hearing of the redundancy notices has made me stop to think of the realities of the situation.
Best wishes to the instructors and staff for the future.