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Just out of interest, why does the proposed rescuer of the club need to bring a new - N registered having to be transferred on to the G - fleet? The club does have planes; or maybe he is intended to let the Newcastle Aero Club Ltd go under and then start again afresh....
I know IF is in pieces, but it's basically an OK plane with decent radios; UZ and WK are old and tired; and what has happened to RT? And RH, although mortgaged is decent enough, as is JV.
Not that changing the fleet is a bad thing; it just seems a slightly strange thing to do. Granted a C152 is cheaper to run, but will annoy Mr Parkin's 737s more on finals than a PA28.
I know IF is in pieces, but it's basically an OK plane with decent radios; UZ and WK are old and tired; and what has happened to RT? And RH, although mortgaged is decent enough, as is JV.
Not that changing the fleet is a bad thing; it just seems a slightly strange thing to do. Granted a C152 is cheaper to run, but will annoy Mr Parkin's 737s more on finals than a PA28.
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hello ALL
Hello fellow ppruners,
Well this topic has been firing the more people getting involved
really has help dramatically.
topjet973 how are you???
Just to shed some light on this whole thing, I really think
that Elia will look into this very carefully before he goes
forward with the proposal.
I believe that tomorrow the club goes to the administrators
so really Elia's team have not had any time with them to make
a proposal on thursday due to the lack of time.If I was in his
position you would have to look at all the supposed debt
first, before I made a statement. Who knows he may decide
to give his proposal before he really has had a chance to look
at the books.
WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND MAYBE SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN
HOW A CLUB TURNING OVER MORE THAN 450 QUID A YEAR
FALL INTO ADMIN,JUST SEEMS VERY STRANGE THAT EVERY TIME
I HAVE FLOWN I PAY MY LANDING FEE'S BUT WHO IS THE PERSON AT THE CLUB RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THIS.
THE CHAIRMAN HAS JUST RUN OFF, THERE ARE PLENTLY OF QUESTIONS TO BE MADE.???
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE AIRPORT WOULD LET THE BILL GET SO HIGH,SOMETHINK VERY SUSPICIOUS.
ALSO CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN ABOUT THE FUEL BILL IS IT REALLY
THE AERO CLUB OR IS IT LITTLE WINGS OR THE NEWCASTLE
FLIGHT SCHOOL.
I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE AERO CLUB OWES THAT MUCH BUT,FACT'S ARE FACTS.
I FEEL THAT ALL THE MEMBERS SHOULD BEING ASKING WHERE
HAS ALL THE MONEY GONE,THEY HAVE THE RIGHT,I BELIEVE THAT
CRIMINAL CHARGES ARE GOING TO BE MADE.
SAFE FLYING ALL
MIKE
Well this topic has been firing the more people getting involved
really has help dramatically.
topjet973 how are you???
Just to shed some light on this whole thing, I really think
that Elia will look into this very carefully before he goes
forward with the proposal.
I believe that tomorrow the club goes to the administrators
so really Elia's team have not had any time with them to make
a proposal on thursday due to the lack of time.If I was in his
position you would have to look at all the supposed debt
first, before I made a statement. Who knows he may decide
to give his proposal before he really has had a chance to look
at the books.
WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND MAYBE SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN
HOW A CLUB TURNING OVER MORE THAN 450 QUID A YEAR
FALL INTO ADMIN,JUST SEEMS VERY STRANGE THAT EVERY TIME
I HAVE FLOWN I PAY MY LANDING FEE'S BUT WHO IS THE PERSON AT THE CLUB RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THIS.
THE CHAIRMAN HAS JUST RUN OFF, THERE ARE PLENTLY OF QUESTIONS TO BE MADE.???
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE AIRPORT WOULD LET THE BILL GET SO HIGH,SOMETHINK VERY SUSPICIOUS.
ALSO CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN ABOUT THE FUEL BILL IS IT REALLY
THE AERO CLUB OR IS IT LITTLE WINGS OR THE NEWCASTLE
FLIGHT SCHOOL.
I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE AERO CLUB OWES THAT MUCH BUT,FACT'S ARE FACTS.
I FEEL THAT ALL THE MEMBERS SHOULD BEING ASKING WHERE
HAS ALL THE MONEY GONE,THEY HAVE THE RIGHT,I BELIEVE THAT
CRIMINAL CHARGES ARE GOING TO BE MADE.
SAFE FLYING ALL
MIKE
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If the club is in administration, Thursday's meeting will be a waste of time, indeed it may that all locks will be changed and entry to the club's premises barred.
The administrator has total control of the club's affairs and he, not the membership decides how to progress matters. Due to the total disarray, this may take some considerable time.
The administrator has total control of the club's affairs and he, not the membership decides how to progress matters. Due to the total disarray, this may take some considerable time.
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Hello everybody
Mike - yes mate, I'm doing really well!
Really enjoy my daily chat with Elia and him keeping me up to date with events - getting to know the guy well!
It is a tragedy what has happened to our club but myself and all the other members hope the a "Phoenix from the ashes" happens!
Without going into the blame culture, if an individual/s has/have been acting in an inappropriate way then yes - I agree that criminal charges should be brought against those concerned but time will tell and I'm certain that every member will echo my thoughts.
Lets ALL pull together on this one and lets ALL be strong and see what good can come out of this, and if my postings etc help in any way then I will feel have done my little bit to help.
I'm tired now so will hopefully talk to you soon Mike without these "callsigns" we use on PPRUNE!!!
Good night all
Mike - yes mate, I'm doing really well!
Really enjoy my daily chat with Elia and him keeping me up to date with events - getting to know the guy well!
It is a tragedy what has happened to our club but myself and all the other members hope the a "Phoenix from the ashes" happens!
Without going into the blame culture, if an individual/s has/have been acting in an inappropriate way then yes - I agree that criminal charges should be brought against those concerned but time will tell and I'm certain that every member will echo my thoughts.
Lets ALL pull together on this one and lets ALL be strong and see what good can come out of this, and if my postings etc help in any way then I will feel have done my little bit to help.
I'm tired now so will hopefully talk to you soon Mike without these "callsigns" we use on PPRUNE!!!
Good night all
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The airport allowed the bill to escalate beyond the club's ability to repay it because they saw it was a means to an end. End achieved, mission accomplished. Right, who's next? Come on all you dreamers wake up and smell the rat in the kitchen will you. Please snap out of it. Ok, I'm a sceptic but this Elia bloke has just incorporated 3 companies in FL only as recently as August this year. So recently in fact that he has not had time to get his website set up yet and now he's going to come over here and set up another company? Come on, get real. I can feel the hairs rising on the back of my neck already!
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Not only has Mr Golfin started 3 companies in August, within the last 2 years he's started another 6 all listed below:
The new companies started August
Aussie Air
Aussie Aircraft Leasing
Aussie Air Holdings
The previous 6 and their status
CAE Avaition International - Vol Dissolution
Transatlantic Holding Services - Admin Dissolution
Atlantic Shore Enterprises - Admin Dissolution
The Isis Medi Corporation - Vol Dissolution
World Continental - Active since 110304 No results
and finally
The Pilot Training Academy Florida - Vol Dissolution 190304
This company is the one he mentions in the first line of his new website!
While we are on the subject of his website, the address and contact details belong to Lynchair - I rang Lynchair about the website and Mr Golfin's involvment with the company. This was their reply:-
'Mr Golfin did work for Lynchair, however he is no longer involved with the company. He has no authority to use our details on his website. Thank you for bringing this to our attention'.
I asked did they know what Mr Golfin was doing now.
'I believe he is trying to set up a flight training orginisation at a nearby airfield'.
Doesn't all the above make even the most optimistic person have doubts about Mr Golfin's intentions?
The new companies started August
Aussie Air
Aussie Aircraft Leasing
Aussie Air Holdings
The previous 6 and their status
CAE Avaition International - Vol Dissolution
Transatlantic Holding Services - Admin Dissolution
Atlantic Shore Enterprises - Admin Dissolution
The Isis Medi Corporation - Vol Dissolution
World Continental - Active since 110304 No results
and finally
The Pilot Training Academy Florida - Vol Dissolution 190304
This company is the one he mentions in the first line of his new website!
While we are on the subject of his website, the address and contact details belong to Lynchair - I rang Lynchair about the website and Mr Golfin's involvment with the company. This was their reply:-
'Mr Golfin did work for Lynchair, however he is no longer involved with the company. He has no authority to use our details on his website. Thank you for bringing this to our attention'.
I asked did they know what Mr Golfin was doing now.
'I believe he is trying to set up a flight training orginisation at a nearby airfield'.
Doesn't all the above make even the most optimistic person have doubts about Mr Golfin's intentions?
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Why are you so adamant that this may not be a genuine 'rescue' for the club'?
We should all go to the AGM with an open mind about what may be on offer. For what is worth I think that this chap may have something that can save our GA at EGNT - I might be wrong.
We can't judge him on his 'not completed' website after all how long was NACs 'under construction'..............and we had no excuse.
Andy West
Why are you so adamant that this may not be a genuine 'rescue' for the club'?
We should all go to the AGM with an open mind about what may be on offer. For what is worth I think that this chap may have something that can save our GA at EGNT - I might be wrong.
We can't judge him on his 'not completed' website after all how long was NACs 'under construction'..............and we had no excuse.
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Some valid points made above particularly concerning the powers of the administrators which will negate the need for an AGM. Other things that I can't follow are:-
- why assume the club debt? why not just incorporate a new company with the "new" fleet and start with a clean slate? Or do a "my travel" debt restructuring scheme of arrangement offering the debt holders a token amount in the £ to buy their loyalty so that you can get access to the facilities/fuel etc if you are concerned that the new venture will be excluded unless the old club debt is repaid.
- assuming you want some or all of the NAC aircraft then I would assume since they are "owned" by the secured creditors you could put in an offer for those potentially at a level less than their market value which the administrator might accept in order for a quick sale.
- I think the whole idea of a commercial FTO is flawed. This is a highly competitive market to get into with a raft of approvals required. Where will the instructors come from? The old lot of instructors are not licenced to carry out commercial training.
In summary the small amount of detail disclosed to date just doesn't make financial sense to me.
- why assume the club debt? why not just incorporate a new company with the "new" fleet and start with a clean slate? Or do a "my travel" debt restructuring scheme of arrangement offering the debt holders a token amount in the £ to buy their loyalty so that you can get access to the facilities/fuel etc if you are concerned that the new venture will be excluded unless the old club debt is repaid.
- assuming you want some or all of the NAC aircraft then I would assume since they are "owned" by the secured creditors you could put in an offer for those potentially at a level less than their market value which the administrator might accept in order for a quick sale.
- I think the whole idea of a commercial FTO is flawed. This is a highly competitive market to get into with a raft of approvals required. Where will the instructors come from? The old lot of instructors are not licenced to carry out commercial training.
In summary the small amount of detail disclosed to date just doesn't make financial sense to me.
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Just a generalisation, but the way an American businessman will out-manouver you is different from the way an English businessman will out-manouver you. So if you are a Brit and have never dealt with an American apart from during a fly-drive holiday to Florida you should be doubly careful. You should be careful even if you understand their mind-set, but that's just business! Also as a generalisation, once the Administrators are in control any spare money will go to them 
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Well, it's very obvious you are trying to "shoot Elia down" - you appear to be one of these non aviation people who does nothing all day except trying to dig dirt up on other people - your posting says it all....
Let me say this - we will ALL vote against his proposal and watch the club close for good, would that please you?
Or, we can listen to his proposals and then make a decision.....
I'm sorry MetOffice - your comments are not good, and extremely negative comments do no good at all, an opinion yes...
also - would our members like the club to be run by a bunch of ex committee members, oh yes - again just hear say but a possible proposal to be tabled.
Me personally, I certainly wouldn't buy that idea, if that WAS voted in then all their "conflicts of interest" while serving our club on the committee would have paid off, a quote given to me recently reads as follows - "secretly" working behind the scenes, plotting the clubs downfall and be there ready to "dive like vultures" to scavange what's left, strong stuff but ANY truth???
Well, it's very obvious you are trying to "shoot Elia down" - you appear to be one of these non aviation people who does nothing all day except trying to dig dirt up on other people - your posting says it all....
Let me say this - we will ALL vote against his proposal and watch the club close for good, would that please you?
Or, we can listen to his proposals and then make a decision.....
I'm sorry MetOffice - your comments are not good, and extremely negative comments do no good at all, an opinion yes...
also - would our members like the club to be run by a bunch of ex committee members, oh yes - again just hear say but a possible proposal to be tabled.
Me personally, I certainly wouldn't buy that idea, if that WAS voted in then all their "conflicts of interest" while serving our club on the committee would have paid off, a quote given to me recently reads as follows - "secretly" working behind the scenes, plotting the clubs downfall and be there ready to "dive like vultures" to scavange what's left, strong stuff but ANY truth???
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Well Guys,
everyone getting somethink in hey,
I must say are we going to put all our efforts against a guy who
is just making a proposal to save the club,met office hispeedtape
and neutron you all have valid thoughts and concerns but lets
take into account that who were the people who put the club
into this position first,this is what needs to be done first.
So what that elia has disolved a few companys and is forming
new ones, nobody really knows except Elia.
with regards to lynch and elia they were going to merge the schools hence the similiar websites.
Today the club went into admin so really the club fate will not
be known for at least a few weeks,Today marks the first
day of admin.
Who knows once the truth is out, Elia may not go forward with it
Mr parkin has said all along that if the club goes out nobody can come in and form a new company, so by this if the club is in the red at the end who would be crazy to take it over.
It is easy to say that lets just start all over again but what about
all the members and their money where did it all go.
Also this meeting really should not go forward on thursday,due
to the fact that the club is in admin,so really talking about a buy
out when the administrators have only had 2 days to work it
is crazy.
Its good to see that everyone is making thier points known,but really it comes down to DO WE WANT THE CLUB TO SURVIVE.
SAFE FLYING ALL
MIKE
everyone getting somethink in hey,
I must say are we going to put all our efforts against a guy who
is just making a proposal to save the club,met office hispeedtape
and neutron you all have valid thoughts and concerns but lets
take into account that who were the people who put the club
into this position first,this is what needs to be done first.
So what that elia has disolved a few companys and is forming
new ones, nobody really knows except Elia.
with regards to lynch and elia they were going to merge the schools hence the similiar websites.
Today the club went into admin so really the club fate will not
be known for at least a few weeks,Today marks the first
day of admin.
Who knows once the truth is out, Elia may not go forward with it
Mr parkin has said all along that if the club goes out nobody can come in and form a new company, so by this if the club is in the red at the end who would be crazy to take it over.
It is easy to say that lets just start all over again but what about
all the members and their money where did it all go.
Also this meeting really should not go forward on thursday,due
to the fact that the club is in admin,so really talking about a buy
out when the administrators have only had 2 days to work it
is crazy.
Its good to see that everyone is making thier points known,but really it comes down to DO WE WANT THE CLUB TO SURVIVE.
SAFE FLYING ALL
MIKE
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To all members:
I was very sad to hear of the trouble our fine club is in. Although I am still a member, the lure of flying jets forced to me to relocate so I don't get up to the North East as much as I'd like too. It was a colleague who told me what had happened and after a few hours digesting this thread I'm absolutely flabbergasted.
When living in the aera I was fully aware of the £60,000 loan from The Aero Club to "Little Wings" - of which committee members were involved in, an extremely hollow deal if ever there was one, obviously no accounts?
A colleague remarked only today that the day Gill Airways closed for business was the day the end was in sight for the club.
I cannot believe that Air BP would let the Aero Club run up a £50,000 fuel bill, as Aero Engineering hasn't made a penny since I was last at the club, you would possibly find the fuel bill around the £20,000 mark with the remainder "topped up" from some other "created company".
I had a look on the Companies House website, why did certain ex committee members set up a company called The Newcastle Flying School Ltd - that is suspicious to say the least, and if they tell you it was to "safeguard" the Aero Club then I would treat that with the contempt is deserves.
Many ex committee members feathered their own nests at the time when I was in the North East and it was obviously still going on. Another topic which is well talked about at Cranebank is the purchase of a fuel bowser from Biggin Hill with an invoice amount of £15,500 and a cheque book stub of over £25,000...
As I said earlier I am horrified at what has happened but after reading postings with regard to a possible lifeline to save the club then I would certainly listen to Mr Elia Golfin and hear what he has to say.
The posting from Topjet about a rumoured proposal from ex committee members to run the club, I would rather let George Michael treat my piles than let that lot run the club again.
I sincerely hope Thursday evenings meeting brings good news but if not on Thursday then very soon after.
Good luck, everybody at BA has their fingers crossed
B
I was very sad to hear of the trouble our fine club is in. Although I am still a member, the lure of flying jets forced to me to relocate so I don't get up to the North East as much as I'd like too. It was a colleague who told me what had happened and after a few hours digesting this thread I'm absolutely flabbergasted.
When living in the aera I was fully aware of the £60,000 loan from The Aero Club to "Little Wings" - of which committee members were involved in, an extremely hollow deal if ever there was one, obviously no accounts?
A colleague remarked only today that the day Gill Airways closed for business was the day the end was in sight for the club.
I cannot believe that Air BP would let the Aero Club run up a £50,000 fuel bill, as Aero Engineering hasn't made a penny since I was last at the club, you would possibly find the fuel bill around the £20,000 mark with the remainder "topped up" from some other "created company".
I had a look on the Companies House website, why did certain ex committee members set up a company called The Newcastle Flying School Ltd - that is suspicious to say the least, and if they tell you it was to "safeguard" the Aero Club then I would treat that with the contempt is deserves.
Many ex committee members feathered their own nests at the time when I was in the North East and it was obviously still going on. Another topic which is well talked about at Cranebank is the purchase of a fuel bowser from Biggin Hill with an invoice amount of £15,500 and a cheque book stub of over £25,000...
As I said earlier I am horrified at what has happened but after reading postings with regard to a possible lifeline to save the club then I would certainly listen to Mr Elia Golfin and hear what he has to say.
The posting from Topjet about a rumoured proposal from ex committee members to run the club, I would rather let George Michael treat my piles than let that lot run the club again.
I sincerely hope Thursday evenings meeting brings good news but if not on Thursday then very soon after.
Good luck, everybody at BA has their fingers crossed
B
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Yes, indeed, I have a sixth sense about these things (plus inside info). A snowball stands a better chance in a hot place! Alarm bells ring loudly when I recognise the signs. Seems my sixth sense is slowly beginning to be proved accurate again.
Topjet973K
Tell me to bugger orf and mind my own but, I would be be very interested in whatever it is that you think, gives you the right to associate yourself with TCX by using their callsign as your own, so to speak. I do not recognise anything about you or in your profile that would indicate that you have anything at all to do with the aforesaid company. Perhaps I'll recognise you at the meeting, perhaps not.
Noiseabatement
£15,500 for the bowser? I think your maths is out a bit
If it was worth that much, I'll eat TJ973K's uniform cap (if he's got one)
That would leave approximately £20k unaccounted for.
Yes, indeed, I have a sixth sense about these things (plus inside info). A snowball stands a better chance in a hot place! Alarm bells ring loudly when I recognise the signs. Seems my sixth sense is slowly beginning to be proved accurate again.
Topjet973K
Tell me to bugger orf and mind my own but, I would be be very interested in whatever it is that you think, gives you the right to associate yourself with TCX by using their callsign as your own, so to speak. I do not recognise anything about you or in your profile that would indicate that you have anything at all to do with the aforesaid company. Perhaps I'll recognise you at the meeting, perhaps not.
Noiseabatement
£15,500 for the bowser? I think your maths is out a bit
If it was worth that much, I'll eat TJ973K's uniform cap (if he's got one) That would leave approximately £20k unaccounted for.
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I say Topjet, in the absence of committee have you declared martial law?? and taken over as dictator ??
Only a tiny minority of club members will be PPers and most will want to know what is going on.
If the club is still open then I say the meeting should go ahead as previoulsy planned, even if only so the administrator can explain process.
Then it will have to be off to the wheatsheaf I guess!!!
Only a tiny minority of club members will be PPers and most will want to know what is going on.
If the club is still open then I say the meeting should go ahead as previoulsy planned, even if only so the administrator can explain process.
Then it will have to be off to the wheatsheaf I guess!!!
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hi guys
hi all,
I just got some info from a good source that the meeting will
not take place and that elia was told by the administrators that
he should not come until nextweek due to the fact that the club is over and that the administrators will not open the club for the
meeting.A very sad day but makes some sense that now the admin people are now in charge.
lets hope somethink good comes from all of this.
safe flying all
mike
I just got some info from a good source that the meeting will
not take place and that elia was told by the administrators that
he should not come until nextweek due to the fact that the club is over and that the administrators will not open the club for the
meeting.A very sad day but makes some sense that now the admin people are now in charge.
lets hope somethink good comes from all of this.
safe flying all
mike
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HI,
Have just rung the flying school and spoke to John Collett who states as far as they are aware the meeting is on for Thursday but it will be run by the administrators. May at least be an opportunity to find out exactly what is going on and what options, if any, we have for keeping flying.
Have just rung the flying school and spoke to John Collett who states as far as they are aware the meeting is on for Thursday but it will be run by the administrators. May at least be an opportunity to find out exactly what is going on and what options, if any, we have for keeping flying.
