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Not having a go at RMT just stating that if the decision had been made before RMT had meeting at NAC in early December then why has it taken this long. Surely it would have been completed in 2 months
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Not having a go at RMT just stating that if the decision had been made before RMT had meeting at NAC in early December then why has it taken this long. Surely it would have been completed in 2 months
h
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HI ALL
hi h999,
I have now been told by someone that RMT had given
MB 2 weeks to finalise the deal however mr mason
had been ill for the better half of that week, hence
the dragging on,now we have to wait until thursay
until mr Mb gets back.
mike
hi h999,
I have now been told by someone that RMT had given
MB 2 weeks to finalise the deal however mr mason
had been ill for the better half of that week, hence
the dragging on,now we have to wait until thursay
until mr Mb gets back.
mike
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hi mike as i said in an earlier post it is time the members to apply some pressure for this deal to be stopped as there was 150 members at the first agm meeting who hered mb say he didnt want the flying school,it is now time for those members to come forward and be counted if they want flying to continue from the club,either by ringing the press or mr mason and telling what they know. say now to a flash refueling station GO FOR IT WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE ELIA is the guy we want
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The problem with contacting the press is that most of us really don't know what has gone on and what is going on now.
Also, unless you have very good evidence of wrong doing I cannot see that the press would be interested in what is basically an in house squabble about who takes over a collapsed business.
If the lease agreement says that Flying Training must be offered, then, presumably, whoever buys the place must be prepared to offer it, otherwise thier bid must ultimately fail.
What worries me about this is that if RMT has run up a bill of £17,445 already and the bid which has gone in fails, how much more will be expended in trying to resolve this?
Incidentally, the letter which went out to creditors said that if 10% of creditors wanted a meeting with RMT they had to give notice to RMT by 17 February, so time is running out if anyone wants to go down that route.
Also, unless you have very good evidence of wrong doing I cannot see that the press would be interested in what is basically an in house squabble about who takes over a collapsed business.
If the lease agreement says that Flying Training must be offered, then, presumably, whoever buys the place must be prepared to offer it, otherwise thier bid must ultimately fail.
What worries me about this is that if RMT has run up a bill of £17,445 already and the bid which has gone in fails, how much more will be expended in trying to resolve this?
Incidentally, the letter which went out to creditors said that if 10% of creditors wanted a meeting with RMT they had to give notice to RMT by 17 February, so time is running out if anyone wants to go down that route.
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This is very mercenary but,as former members owed the balance of our subscription's as paid in full, are we therefore not creditors and could request the aforementioned meetings.
No doubt someone will be able to comment on the above.
Regards one and all
No doubt someone will be able to comment on the above.
Regards one and all
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The Aeroclub belonged to its members - it was your club. I believe a member's status is similar to a shareholder's status in a trading company, not a creditor.
Interestingly, the public, who have bought flying vouchers as gifts etc., in my mind most definitely are creditors & there is a large number of them. I do not know the face value of each voucher, but there are some £30,000 worth out there.
Interestingly, the public, who have bought flying vouchers as gifts etc., in my mind most definitely are creditors & there is a large number of them. I do not know the face value of each voucher, but there are some £30,000 worth out there.
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There was no value on the flying vouchers as such, they only stated either 30 mins or 1 hour, in reality, however, they would be worth the value of the lesson, therefore £60 plus landing fee and £120 plus landing fee.
There are also people out there who bought block time on the aircraft either to do their PPL or for renewals, that must have been worth a fair amount each time.
The instructors who weren't paid are also creditors.
Trouble is, time is running out and we still don't know the true state of affairs and it would also be difficult to find out who all the people above are to contact them and arrange a request for a meeting. Also, who knows how many creditors there are to find out how many 10% is?
There are also people out there who bought block time on the aircraft either to do their PPL or for renewals, that must have been worth a fair amount each time.
The instructors who weren't paid are also creditors.
Trouble is, time is running out and we still don't know the true state of affairs and it would also be difficult to find out who all the people above are to contact them and arrange a request for a meeting. Also, who knows how many creditors there are to find out how many 10% is?
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Members are not creditors in their capacity as members. AFAIK they, as members of a company limited by guarantee, are obliged to pay the amount they have agreed to contribute to the company's assets if it is wound up.
The amount will be in the club rules; I think it's a pound.
Of course, they could be creditors if they have paid in advance for flying, are owed wages etc.
And to add insult to injury; the club has persistently claimed to be the oldest flying club in the country. Wrong, I\'m afraid.
Newcastle Aero Club was incorporated on 16 July 1925
Lancashire Aero Club was incorporated 13 days earlier.
Hey ho.
The amount will be in the club rules; I think it's a pound.
Of course, they could be creditors if they have paid in advance for flying, are owed wages etc.
And to add insult to injury; the club has persistently claimed to be the oldest flying club in the country. Wrong, I\'m afraid.
Newcastle Aero Club was incorporated on 16 July 1925
Lancashire Aero Club was incorporated 13 days earlier.
Hey ho.
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I agree with all recent threads and MB will not be good for GA unfortunately I think it has gone too far to stop.
But if anyone out there has any good ideas you can count on my support.
But if anyone out there has any good ideas you can count on my support.
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I don't know if this has anything to do with what has been said, but I rang Northumbria Helicopters earlier on today to book a lesson for tomorrow, the fella seemed anxious to tell me that I was in for a treat and that they had a big announcement for everyone tomorrow. Could this be that they own the former NAC fleet?
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I had a flight test cancelled today. The reason? I was told the administrators were coming over (to the aeroclub) to "go through the accounts!". A bit late in the day to be going through the accounts in my opinion, but believe what you will.
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KL was busy working up here (Eshott) today with "Parky airways" ie he was doing check rides etc in the Cherokee 6 (G-BHGO) and G-NHRH.
Anyone know what the other former staff and committee are up to these days?
Anyone know what the other former staff and committee are up to these days?
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Unfortunately, the "airline" is Globe Spam, operated by one Capt Joe F. so by the time Andreas has paid for his rating, JF will probably be able to buy another 737!!
Thats the same JF that charged the club several grand for copying a twin training manual, and despite being on the committee was paid about £300/month as the ground training Capt for twin operations. How many were trained?? maybe 2 or 3
Thats the same JF that charged the club several grand for copying a twin training manual, and despite being on the committee was paid about £300/month as the ground training Capt for twin operations. How many were trained?? maybe 2 or 3
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nacker barslob, if true that is disgraceful. Who agreed to this salary payment? Do you mean we paid thousands for a single photocopied book? Is this stuff not available free from the CAA?
Who is this man anyway, what qualifications does he have to be a ground training captain - whatever that is? Was JC ever paid extra for his night school training?
Who is this man anyway, what qualifications does he have to be a ground training captain - whatever that is? Was JC ever paid extra for his night school training?
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Gang.
After posting my prevoius intentions I feel I must respond to Barslob/Clearfinals as I, at the time felt very strongly about this subject.
Captain Joe Forster, Chief Pilot of the now defunct Gill Airways, Director of Flight Operations of the now defunct Cougar Airways and now Director of Flight Operations at Globespan did, while serving on the committee write the twin training manual for the club, he took payment of approx £2000+ for writing this manual which was obviously auithorised by the committee at the time - I believe KL, AC & Joe himself, while I believe there was/is a nominal charge from the CAA, no other costs should have been incurred from this. I must add this was long before my stint. I genuinely don't know if these type of manuals/training documents are/were available from the CAA.
Les Bates, our fine ex RAF Pilot and club instructor rewrote the manual in his own time about 2 years ago and "charged" not a penny for doing something that Joe paid himself money to do.
I think the "gravy train" was in full steam a few years ago where people were taking payment for anything and everything.
And JC, did the CFI job for years on a 1/4 of the salary our most recent CFI was earning - diabolical. JC would do extra flights etc because he loved the club AND the students and never ever asked for extra payments for things such as overtime etc, things that others wrote overtime requests for at the start of each month, and I'm not talking about Andreas, Ian, Les, Ovey, Malcolm et al.
After posting my prevoius intentions I feel I must respond to Barslob/Clearfinals as I, at the time felt very strongly about this subject.
Captain Joe Forster, Chief Pilot of the now defunct Gill Airways, Director of Flight Operations of the now defunct Cougar Airways and now Director of Flight Operations at Globespan did, while serving on the committee write the twin training manual for the club, he took payment of approx £2000+ for writing this manual which was obviously auithorised by the committee at the time - I believe KL, AC & Joe himself, while I believe there was/is a nominal charge from the CAA, no other costs should have been incurred from this. I must add this was long before my stint. I genuinely don't know if these type of manuals/training documents are/were available from the CAA.
Les Bates, our fine ex RAF Pilot and club instructor rewrote the manual in his own time about 2 years ago and "charged" not a penny for doing something that Joe paid himself money to do.
I think the "gravy train" was in full steam a few years ago where people were taking payment for anything and everything.
And JC, did the CFI job for years on a 1/4 of the salary our most recent CFI was earning - diabolical. JC would do extra flights etc because he loved the club AND the students and never ever asked for extra payments for things such as overtime etc, things that others wrote overtime requests for at the start of each month, and I'm not talking about Andreas, Ian, Les, Ovey, Malcolm et al.
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It's a simlpe fact one and all, The true club members have been royally shafted by devious greedy people.
As ye sow, so shall ye reap.
AB is in the process of doing his type rating,He starts next week if I remember rightly.
Regards all
As ye sow, so shall ye reap.
AB is in the process of doing his type rating,He starts next week if I remember rightly.
Regards all
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And hot off the press
A strong rumour that MB has indeed purchased club and A/C. Intention to move all club A/C back into hangar within next day or so. Lease 2 to NC, who will run limited flight training. remainder of A/C to be sold.
Anyone know his intentions for bar club house yet?
A strong rumour that MB has indeed purchased club and A/C. Intention to move all club A/C back into hangar within next day or so. Lease 2 to NC, who will run limited flight training. remainder of A/C to be sold.
Anyone know his intentions for bar club house yet?