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Old 8th Feb 2005, 16:59
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But hang on topjet/noise/etc etc

I think that's perhaps a little harsh (I say perhaps as I do not know topjet personally and could be wrong), but as I see things:

I learned to fly in 1993/94. I quickly realised the club was being run by a group of self-opinionated, higher than god-almighty people who thought the sun shined out their backsides. I gained my PPL and left. During that time, there were genuine people who tried to make a difference, only for it to be pushed back in their faces, presumably for fear they became more popular than the cronies in charge (in charge I ask you? Dickheads!).

Over the last 11 years, I have visited the club, either to socialise, or to 'pass thru' when the Southside security barrier was un-manned. The same faces after all those years. My guess is that some of those genuine people I referred to actually managed to get elected, only to find they were wasting their time after all. Could Topjet not be one of those tryers? Just because he served on the committee for a short period, doesn't mean he had out to do with it's demise.

Awaiting the flack!

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Old 8th Feb 2005, 17:39
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Thanks - unfortunately I was one of those who simply hit brick walls everywhere I turned.

Nobody who is elected is bigger than the club itself, but some actually thought they were. As far as I am concerned I tried very hard and failed. I was being or trying to be controlled by certain people and I simply couldn't carry on while Bill Butcher was thinking he still served on the committee, after all it was us who removed him from his post as chairman, and he only got that position by default.

I knew given time I would find out what exactly had gone on but in the end I couldn't as the "shutters were up" everywhere I turned. I myself gathered enough damning eveidence about certain people and passed it to the RMT. whether it will make any difference only Alah knows. Everytime I asked a sensative question I was told to channel my energies elsewhere - look what happened to DS (a co-opted committee member for a short time who will remain nameless for now) when he asked to see the books - some trumped up allegation that he fondled a female member of staff - total bullshit and everybody knew it.
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Old 8th Feb 2005, 18:16
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great post topjet


I stand by you 100% topjet.

I just feel bad for all the members.

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Old 8th Feb 2005, 18:23
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Nackerbarslob : I know Topjet personally and must say you are out of order with the comments made. I understand your feelings but be fair he was not the sole member of the committee,if you read previous postings he has revealed much about the goings on and has stated that all his ideas were blocked and infomation witheld.

If anybody has relavent infomation about the club,give it to RMT and let them deal with it,thats what they are getting 17,000 odd pounds for. we are all p***ed off that this has happened but you cannot blame one man.

The defence rests !!!

Regards all
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Old 8th Feb 2005, 19:39
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You are dissin a man who has a lot of respect amongst members, as the last few posts prove. A man who tried to turn things around for the members. A man who demanded that the the rest of the management posted info about certain things on the notice board. In fact on that note, he did not rest until that info WAS posted on the board. Which, by the way, all stopped when he left.

MG was the only man, at that time, who had the the interest of everyone as his top priority. As a member of some 20 years I can say this with my hand on my heart. Ive seen them come and Ive seen them go, but he was a good guy. He truely wanted to make things right. Yes we can all fault him on some issues, as we can fault everyone, but MG is as honest as the day is long and had he had more of his own way then maybe, just maybe, things would not have turned out the way they did.

Call him what you want, but he's salt of the earth in my book and always will be. I'm sure I speak for a lot of the 'old school' as well.

I wont even go into the fact that this thread would not have been half what it was without his input.

Now I'm finished.


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Old 8th Feb 2005, 20:36
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You are quite right in your last posting.
MG did his best and was twarted at every turn.
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Old 8th Feb 2005, 20:39
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Hi guys

Sounds like bad news! Where has the news come from? Have the airport or RMT made a formal announcement?

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Old 8th Feb 2005, 22:05
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Mu Beta; Joe Toff; Gon Tak

Let me second your posts. We are all good friends of MG and we all know what he tried to do for the club. Its unfortunate that things have come to this, but we cant hold anything against MG and a few other members. At the end of the day, they tried their best to help us out and were twarted in their efforts.

Its unfortunate that flying at EGNT might be limited to groups and I count myself lucky that I have secured a position in a lovely touring aircraft, but for those who dont fly as many hours, or to as far afield as I do, there are some nice smaller aircraft available for hire at both Teesside and Eshott for a very reasonable cost.

Cheers RodneyTopjet.
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Old 8th Feb 2005, 23:52
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I`ll echo the comments made defending MG as well ( not that he needs defending) . I`ve not known him that long however, he struck me as one of the most vocal and passionate members of NAC and I will miss our bar chats over the odd pint or seven.

As a student pilot stuck on 39 hours I am royally ****** off with the whole scenario.

RIP Newcastle Aero Club and may the ones responsible hang.

grounded DJ.
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Old 9th Feb 2005, 08:37
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May they hang indeed. My blood boils

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Old 9th Feb 2005, 08:52
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Exclamation bajadj

Mourning All (sorry but thats how I feel,spelling is correct)

Mr Baja Dj, Can I suggest you try Steve Marples,if not Teeside is a good bet and they are reasonable in price. I know how you feel ,towards the end of my training the instructor found a permanent job and I had to start with someone new. ( my greek is better now)

BigStu : Its GONTEK and I still have your disk.

MB : Good idea, it would be great if the real club members took the time and effort to be sociable and keep in touch (Hi Vis with handle if anyone has the balls !!!!!)

Flak and suggestions on a postcard to :- Me


NBS :nothing personal,We are all peeved to ....

If anybody is interested in cost share.PM...
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Old 9th Feb 2005, 08:56
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Hey i'll wear a Hi-Vis with "Former Newcastle Aero Club" on...any day. Im proud to have been a flying member.

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Old 9th Feb 2005, 08:58
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Mu beta said
MG did his best and was twarted at every turn.
Big Stu said
they tried their best to help us out and were twarted in their efforts.
Just wondering are you the same person? It should be "thwarted".

So it the helicopter place gets the club's aircraft, does anyone know how much they will be and who will be instructing?
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Old 9th Feb 2005, 09:00
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I did hear that some (dont know which ones but JC was mentioned) were already flying with Northumbria Choppers.

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Old 9th Feb 2005, 10:47
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Nacker Barslob:

Easier to edit previous than start again! Secondly, it's only me.

I feel I must positively respond to your post. While in certain areas my suspicions were high but to actually get proof and concrete evidence is a very different matter. I do not think it is hypocritical of me to say what I have about certain people simply because I have always been 100% open & true in everything I ever did for the club and I knew that whatever wrong doing was going on it was purely the actions of others and not myself, my regular confrontations with AC, BL and Co. caused untold grief for them and no doubt many a sleepless night. The arguments I used to get into with certain committee members about being more open with members, you wouldn't believe the crap I took from spineless little pipsqueeks like Todd/Lawson/Coulson just to get the minutes posted on the notice board.

Myself and others talked long and hard about the best way to approach the matter but I simply had no proof myself to back up my suspicions. As I stated in a post, It's hardly BB or AC.

Let me ask you - do you think anybody else feels collective responsibility? Barry Lawson, Alan Coulson, Keith Lister, Joe Forster, Ken todd - all ex committee, do you think any of these guys do - I doubt it for one minute, no doubt "sad" but collective responsibility - I doubt it.


I can assure you that Mu Beta & Big Stu ARE very different people!

To all:

Thank you for the kind postings, but this is not about me - it's about our club and wish I could have burrowed a little deeper all those years ago then this thread may look slightly different, I can't think of the word but things were very "on a need to know basis" - if you weren't "licking the bottom of a committee member" or close to senior members of staff then you couldn't get over the first hurdle. But as people have said, why didn't I raise my concerns to the necessary people - I did, many times but very difficult without evidence. The only time the police became involved was when the ex-treasurer was investigated and the police found nothing. Now is that because there was nothing OR was it because everything was so watertight? who knows...

I'm big enough to take the flack on PPRuNe, that's what it's here for but remember at the end of the day - when I served my short time on the committee it was the members I fought for.

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Old 9th Feb 2005, 11:06
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Clearfinals : they are both just bad spelerz.

Non Believers :

The fomer club chairman now departed called in the police,Why ?
Because of dicrepancies that he found.

In the same light, he payed vet bills with the club funds.

The whole thing has been a gold mine for certain individuals and they are to blame for the downfall of NAC, as stated previously all those that dangle the carrot ! "I know this and I know that" give the info to RMT.
The DTI will be involved and if anything is found and there is any justice in the world they will get what they deserve.

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Old 9th Feb 2005, 11:10
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I just want to say thanks for the postings you've made.

I'm really sorry that the Elia proposal was not succesful - that was perhaps the only way that the club could have survived but who knows.

What really boils my p**s is that Mike and Linda stood there in front of all of us before Christmas and said they were looking for a good deal that would secure the future of the club - total b**locks. What have they provided for their hefty fee?

Old 9th Feb 2005, 11:11
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There are those of us who remeber Jimmy Denyer. Ask around and someone will tell you. It is truly a sad state of affairs to note the tenor of this thread.
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Old 9th Feb 2005, 13:33
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Big Stu and I are certainly very different. I apologise for my spelling, sometimes I don't hit the keys hard enough and I usually forget to check what I've written.
I think Mr Denyer would be heartbroken if he knew this had happened, the club and airport appeared to be the most important things in his life.
Unfortunately, in recent years we've been dogged by having to work with people who don't care about aviation, like he did, only about money. Its a great shame.
Is there any possibility that Neil Clark would take over the mantle of the Aero Club as a venue to fly from? It doesn't require a bar. He has coffee and tea and a place to chat and there are pubs in the vacinity one could retire to later if the urge came upon one!
Just a thought...he always seemed quite keen on the club.
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Old 9th Feb 2005, 20:20
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There are those of us who remeber Jimmy Denyer. Ask around and someone will tell you. It is truly a sad state of affairs to note the tenor of this thread.
Agreed. From what I know of the man he was a business man first, and a huge enthusiast for flying second, with flying only just in second place.

I suspect Jimmy would be pleased to see some continuing GA flying at Newcastle, whether it's under Neil Clarke's auspices, or Samson, or Ashton Aviation, or whoever it is. At the end of the day the business model which the old Aero Club was following had only one destination; the one we have been watching unfold over the last few weeks.

Someone said earlier on this thread that 105 an hour for a PA28-141 compared badly with BAWK at 80. Of course it did: the business running a PA28 at 80 an hour, based somewhere like Newcastle, has only one place to go.

We have to get real; flying is not cheap, EGNT is being run like a business - maybe brutal but profitable - and so long as they are not breaking the CAA ERG rules, then there is nothing criminal about that.

I suspect something will rise from the ashes, simply because there will always be people in the Tyneside area who want to go flying, and for whom Eshott doesn't have the equipment / licence / runway lenght, or is in the wrong place, and for whom Carlisle and Teesside are too far away.

It's market forces, guys; the thing the country voted for in 1979. I think even Mr Denyer would have understood that; although I am also quite sure that he would be very sad to see where his old club has ended up.

I would still like to know what happens to the Norton-Griffiths trophy at Northern Goldsmiths, since before JD won it 3 times, my grandfather won it twice, include once from a newly laid hard runway at Woolsington.....
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