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Carbheat.
Totally agree, I did ask Mike Pott if there could be some sort of update on progress and could they reveal anything that has been uncovered up to now.
All he could or would tell me is that "one or two areas need to be looked at in greater detail" -- take that whichever way you want really.
I will be honest, since this thread started I have remembered more and more as time has gone on, I have dug out documents, papers, agreements which I thought would be of no relevance after my wasted time on that committee - how wrong I was and everything I have had has been handed over.
My personal policy on the committee was NO secrecy, that was knocked on the head before I finished my sentence.....
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M
Carbheat.
Totally agree, I did ask Mike Pott if there could be some sort of update on progress and could they reveal anything that has been uncovered up to now.
All he could or would tell me is that "one or two areas need to be looked at in greater detail" -- take that whichever way you want really.
I will be honest, since this thread started I have remembered more and more as time has gone on, I have dug out documents, papers, agreements which I thought would be of no relevance after my wasted time on that committee - how wrong I was and everything I have had has been handed over.
My personal policy on the committee was NO secrecy, that was knocked on the head before I finished my sentence.....
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Topjet /Carbheat/Noise
I see where you are coming from wanting to know as we all do what is happening, but in reallity RMT will get the highest offer for the business as previously stated.
They will play their cards close to their chest and lets not forget their cost/charges. Commission based ?
After all we are only the poor buggers who ploughed thousands
of pounds into the club as a whole.
Sorry to rake up old threads,But if the outgoings to the chosen few had not been so high and the lack of control by the management committe things may have been very different
and we all would not be on pprune ...
Good night one and all...............
I see where you are coming from wanting to know as we all do what is happening, but in reallity RMT will get the highest offer for the business as previously stated.
They will play their cards close to their chest and lets not forget their cost/charges. Commission based ?
After all we are only the poor buggers who ploughed thousands
of pounds into the club as a whole.
Sorry to rake up old threads,But if the outgoings to the chosen few had not been so high and the lack of control by the management committe things may have been very different
and we all would not be on pprune ...
Good night one and all...............
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Apologies for not making my previous posting clearer.
What I was trying to suggest is that it could be worthwhile if RMT issued a brief update. I am fully aware that as members of a defunct club we have no voting rights but that wasn't what I was getting at.
If we had a synopsis such as:
'To date there have been X proposals viewed by RMT, one is deemed as not being viable, one has been formally withdrawn and the other X are under full consideration. NAC was advertised for sale in the broadsheet press but as yet this has not yeilded any interest (or the contrary). Several members have made certain comments to us relating to the way in which NAC was operated, these statements will be closely looked at. If any club member would like to contact us with any information that they feel may be useful regarding the way in which the club was run please write to us at RMT.............'
It's only a suggestion but it may encourage other members to offer information.
PD
What I was trying to suggest is that it could be worthwhile if RMT issued a brief update. I am fully aware that as members of a defunct club we have no voting rights but that wasn't what I was getting at.
If we had a synopsis such as:
'To date there have been X proposals viewed by RMT, one is deemed as not being viable, one has been formally withdrawn and the other X are under full consideration. NAC was advertised for sale in the broadsheet press but as yet this has not yeilded any interest (or the contrary). Several members have made certain comments to us relating to the way in which NAC was operated, these statements will be closely looked at. If any club member would like to contact us with any information that they feel may be useful regarding the way in which the club was run please write to us at RMT.............'
It's only a suggestion but it may encourage other members to offer information.
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I would think that if any of us were creditors of any failed business, we would be kept in the picture. But as none of us are (that I'm aware of), there is no requirement for RMT to tell anybody anything and we'll just have to wait and see what happens. It is outside of our control now. If any of the prospective purchasers (Elia) want to tell us anything then once again that will be up to them but I shouldn't imagine any one with a commercial interest is going to show their hand in public. Do you? Would you?
HFA
If the corner shop where you have purchased your groceries for the past X years goes to the wall, would that give you any right to know what was going on?
I would think that if any of us were creditors of any failed business, we would be kept in the picture. But as none of us are (that I'm aware of), there is no requirement for RMT to tell anybody anything and we'll just have to wait and see what happens. It is outside of our control now. If any of the prospective purchasers (Elia) want to tell us anything then once again that will be up to them but I shouldn't imagine any one with a commercial interest is going to show their hand in public. Do you? Would you?
HFA
If the corner shop where you have purchased your groceries for the past X years goes to the wall, would that give you any right to know what was going on?
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HighSpeedTape,
I was referring to RMT providing an update - not a prospective buyer supplying the info. You have already answered my question in your post, and that is RMT don't need to tell us anything. Would I provide an update if I were a potential purchaser? No. Would I provide the members with an update if I were Mike/Linda? Yes. But perhaps that's just me living in my own little strange world.
PD
I was referring to RMT providing an update - not a prospective buyer supplying the info. You have already answered my question in your post, and that is RMT don't need to tell us anything. Would I provide an update if I were a potential purchaser? No. Would I provide the members with an update if I were Mike/Linda? Yes. But perhaps that's just me living in my own little strange world.
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Urdy gurdy - shouldn't that be 'mmm Glasgow manhattans'. Theres a big difference.
Big stu - since when did u ever have a tab packet to write anything on???
TJ - 'Roderick'. Nice
Big stu - since when did u ever have a tab packet to write anything on???
TJ - 'Roderick'. Nice
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Evening Gang.
Papa Romeo - Bigstu only buys 1 drink each week as you well know! Pleased you liked the JPEG's of Sierra!!
newcastlepilot - good point regarding the longer serving members, Eric and his gang, Terry Banks, Janette and gang.
I would imagime they know about PPRUNE?? How do you let them know? Mu Beta could let Matty Clark and his mob know where we are. Doubt JK will have much to say although I have aleays found him very upfront.
HST - true what you say, Administrators really have no obligation to tell us anything which is exactly what Mike Pott told me last week. It IS very frustrating not been kept up to date from the horses mouth so to speak but I'm sure it will all come out in the wash.
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Papa Romeo - Bigstu only buys 1 drink each week as you well know! Pleased you liked the JPEG's of Sierra!!
newcastlepilot - good point regarding the longer serving members, Eric and his gang, Terry Banks, Janette and gang.
I would imagime they know about PPRUNE?? How do you let them know? Mu Beta could let Matty Clark and his mob know where we are. Doubt JK will have much to say although I have aleays found him very upfront.
HST - true what you say, Administrators really have no obligation to tell us anything which is exactly what Mike Pott told me last week. It IS very frustrating not been kept up to date from the horses mouth so to speak but I'm sure it will all come out in the wash.
Thanks
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Newcastlepilot:
The reason why only 15 people are debating and there are 16000-odd hits is that, like me (member for 12 years and only really interested in flying and drinking; not at the same time, 'cos you tend to spill it), we know sweet sod-all about the apparently unscrupulous activities of various officers of the Club.
We therefore have nothing to tell, but a lot to be concerned about.
I sincerely hope that something flyable rises out of this mess. In the meantime, I'm also a member at Teesside (that's Durham Tees Valley to the proletariat) so I can continue to be dangerous.
Keep the faith.
J
Newcastlepilot:
The reason why only 15 people are debating and there are 16000-odd hits is that, like me (member for 12 years and only really interested in flying and drinking; not at the same time, 'cos you tend to spill it), we know sweet sod-all about the apparently unscrupulous activities of various officers of the Club.
We therefore have nothing to tell, but a lot to be concerned about.
I sincerely hope that something flyable rises out of this mess. In the meantime, I'm also a member at Teesside (that's Durham Tees Valley to the proletariat) so I can continue to be dangerous.
Keep the faith.
J
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Ditto that Jim. Having been a [frustrated] member for a few years, about 12 years ago when I learned to fly, I eventually grew tired of the aeroclubs [mis]endeavours (as I perceived it), and drifted off to a private group on the airfield. My membership lapsed and I saw no reason to re-new it. Even the social side took a nosedive, not too long after Renee passed away and Beryl was relieved of her duties, so no point being a member for that reason either (I do confess to 'sneaking' in for a few pints (with a member) once or twice).
I echo the comments about the clubs honourable staff, in particular John Corlett, without whom I feel the club would have struggled as long as it has. Plus a mention to the honourable members who tried hard to 'crack' the committee. Personally, I thought they were wasting their time - as they were it seems. This is not a criticism of them, just my own thoughts. If yer face fits....
I have made T. Banks aware of this thread, although I'm not sure of his [expected] contribution. As far as I know, he was one of the many instructors at that time, hour building towards his CPL. Nothing to do with the committee. I hope to see him tomorrow and will no doubt discuss this topic with him.
Finally, as treasurer of our private group, I would add that Mr Parkins overhaul of landing charges would have had little impact on the aeroclubs current predicament, IF the club had of passed on the landing fees it collected from its students and members. Having said that, the earlier suggestion that the Airport Authorities let the account go unpaid for so long does make one wonder about their ultimate intentions. And if that is the case, what hope for any future organisation? And before I get flamed, the end of GA at EGNT, including an aeroclub of whatever form, is not what I would ever wish to happen.
Sean
I echo the comments about the clubs honourable staff, in particular John Corlett, without whom I feel the club would have struggled as long as it has. Plus a mention to the honourable members who tried hard to 'crack' the committee. Personally, I thought they were wasting their time - as they were it seems. This is not a criticism of them, just my own thoughts. If yer face fits....
I have made T. Banks aware of this thread, although I'm not sure of his [expected] contribution. As far as I know, he was one of the many instructors at that time, hour building towards his CPL. Nothing to do with the committee. I hope to see him tomorrow and will no doubt discuss this topic with him.
Finally, as treasurer of our private group, I would add that Mr Parkins overhaul of landing charges would have had little impact on the aeroclubs current predicament, IF the club had of passed on the landing fees it collected from its students and members. Having said that, the earlier suggestion that the Airport Authorities let the account go unpaid for so long does make one wonder about their ultimate intentions. And if that is the case, what hope for any future organisation? And before I get flamed, the end of GA at EGNT, including an aeroclub of whatever form, is not what I would ever wish to happen.
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My point was we have no right to know and they will take the best offer to clear the debts end of story without reference to anybody.
PD welcome to the big bad world of "Buisness" No friends, just money ..........
PD welcome to the big bad world of "Buisness" No friends, just money ..........
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Just to widen the committee debate a bit- I've just found a members circular from ex chairman Danielson earlier this year dealing with all sorts of club matters, but there was one strange item I wonder if anyone can shed any light on.
Apparently, according to Danielson, a member had been ordering committee members taxis, pizzas etc at all hours of the night as some sort of malicious campaign. There is even a rumour of a hearse being sent to one committee member's house.
The letter suggests that the police were involved and that the committee knew the name of the party involved. It was said that no further legal action would be taken if the guilty party resigned their membership. I presume that the member concerned must have taken that option and resigned. Not the sort of person we want involved in the club wouldn't you say?
Can anybody shed any further light on the above? All sounds very strange!
Apparently, according to Danielson, a member had been ordering committee members taxis, pizzas etc at all hours of the night as some sort of malicious campaign. There is even a rumour of a hearse being sent to one committee member's house.
The letter suggests that the police were involved and that the committee knew the name of the party involved. It was said that no further legal action would be taken if the guilty party resigned their membership. I presume that the member concerned must have taken that option and resigned. Not the sort of person we want involved in the club wouldn't you say?
Can anybody shed any further light on the above? All sounds very strange!
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That whole campaign of hate was a figment of Mr Danielson's imagination - it NEVER happened.
Mr Danielson loved to play the "injured soldier" and would seek attention from any angle - believe me, all the pizzas, taxis etc etc allegedly all got sent to his house but nobody ever saw any evidence of this. He was trying to use somebody else in one of his witch hunt type schemes.
IT NEVER EVER HAPENED.
Hope this clarifies!
M
That whole campaign of hate was a figment of Mr Danielson's imagination - it NEVER happened.
Mr Danielson loved to play the "injured soldier" and would seek attention from any angle - believe me, all the pizzas, taxis etc etc allegedly all got sent to his house but nobody ever saw any evidence of this. He was trying to use somebody else in one of his witch hunt type schemes.
IT NEVER EVER HAPENED.
Hope this clarifies!
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T'wasn't me yer onor, onest
But, NP is right, I do know some verrry unpleasant people (well when they want to be or have to be). There's nothing dodgy about me, I'm as honest and trustworthy as the day is long, I've got to be! I fly because... well because I can and I can afford to with my hard earned pennies.
I wouldn't invite people to comment on their opinions of other individuals if I were you. You might not like the consequences
I thought I'd made this plain earlier. DO NOT rake around with peoples past (or present) unless you are very brave or very, very stupid
But, NP is right, I do know some verrry unpleasant people (well when they want to be or have to be). There's nothing dodgy about me, I'm as honest and trustworthy as the day is long, I've got to be! I fly because... well because I can and I can afford to with my hard earned pennies.I wouldn't invite people to comment on their opinions of other individuals if I were you. You might not like the consequences
I thought I'd made this plain earlier. DO NOT rake around with peoples past (or present) unless you are very brave or very, very stupid
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Why are we sticking pins in dolls again Boys and Girls ??????
NCL Pilot :
J L T 's post was a p**s take ,the heavy's were JC/John O..
NCL Pilot :
J L T 's post was a p**s take ,the heavy's were JC/John O..
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newcastlepilot.
I have outlined my time serving on committee in many previous posts - I would be right in saying CMC resigned because of a conflict of interests when he brought the Seneca to the club (sub-leased fron Northern Aviation)
MP. resigned because he became involved with the Bulldog group, again a conflict of interests.
Myself. Was fed up with being or trying to be controlled from the outside, fed up with being lied to by senior members of committee and fed up with not being able to carry out requests from members as senior members ALWAYS voted against me - a complete waste of time.
I'm going to tell everybody something about MD which some people know and some people don't.
Towards the end of 2002 I was diagnosed with inflamation of the Sarco-illiac joint (Martinidoc!) but to me and you it's a bad back.
While I was on sick leave I had good days, bad days and very uncomfortable days. Around mid January 2003 I was feeling slightly better so decided to pop up to the club where I was offered the right hand seat by a friend, why not I thought - as long as I was careful getting in and out it would be no different from getting into a car.
It was great to be up in the air, I was effectively grounded so this was a bonus.
When MD found out I had been flying he telephoned my HR manager at work and informed him I had been flying and this would hinder my recovery. Needless to say the phone call was anonymous but I was later informed by somebody else that MD was behind this.
I was summoned to work to explain myself and after a detailed medical examination our medical team said that flying would not hinder any recovery. This caused a lot of anxiety within my family as my employer may have thought I was pulling a fast one.
MD never had the guts to own up to me that he was involved.
This friction between myself and MD started with a minor disagreement about how something should have or should not have been done. After this incident I never really spoke to him again - well who would after that.
My relationship with CMC & MP was good and we did enjoy some good progress on the committee but the vast majority of the time I was "hitting brick walls" with Coulson, Todd et al.
I fail to see how my comments amaze you, I wrote exactly how things were, MD was extremely good at pulling the wool over peoples eyes as he certainly did - to the tune of £18K.
newcastlepilot, I would like to see a little input from yourself instead your more usual quote, unquote. I have told all on this thread, and what I haven't posted has been told to RMT, and I am getting a little fed up with your constant requests for thing I have already posted.
Hold Fox - here here big man! But if I'm asked to comment then I will always give my honest opinion.
M
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newcastlepilot - please do not misinterprate my comments, I\'m as sick as you and everybody else is about this whloe thing, but again - me and others are drifting into the he did this and he did that when at the end of the day none of us knew what really went on.
newcastlepilot.
I have outlined my time serving on committee in many previous posts - I would be right in saying CMC resigned because of a conflict of interests when he brought the Seneca to the club (sub-leased fron Northern Aviation)
MP. resigned because he became involved with the Bulldog group, again a conflict of interests.
Myself. Was fed up with being or trying to be controlled from the outside, fed up with being lied to by senior members of committee and fed up with not being able to carry out requests from members as senior members ALWAYS voted against me - a complete waste of time.
I'm going to tell everybody something about MD which some people know and some people don't.
Towards the end of 2002 I was diagnosed with inflamation of the Sarco-illiac joint (Martinidoc!) but to me and you it's a bad back.
While I was on sick leave I had good days, bad days and very uncomfortable days. Around mid January 2003 I was feeling slightly better so decided to pop up to the club where I was offered the right hand seat by a friend, why not I thought - as long as I was careful getting in and out it would be no different from getting into a car.
It was great to be up in the air, I was effectively grounded so this was a bonus.
When MD found out I had been flying he telephoned my HR manager at work and informed him I had been flying and this would hinder my recovery. Needless to say the phone call was anonymous but I was later informed by somebody else that MD was behind this.
I was summoned to work to explain myself and after a detailed medical examination our medical team said that flying would not hinder any recovery. This caused a lot of anxiety within my family as my employer may have thought I was pulling a fast one.
MD never had the guts to own up to me that he was involved.
This friction between myself and MD started with a minor disagreement about how something should have or should not have been done. After this incident I never really spoke to him again - well who would after that.
My relationship with CMC & MP was good and we did enjoy some good progress on the committee but the vast majority of the time I was "hitting brick walls" with Coulson, Todd et al.
I fail to see how my comments amaze you, I wrote exactly how things were, MD was extremely good at pulling the wool over peoples eyes as he certainly did - to the tune of £18K.
newcastlepilot, I would like to see a little input from yourself instead your more usual quote, unquote. I have told all on this thread, and what I haven't posted has been told to RMT, and I am getting a little fed up with your constant requests for thing I have already posted.
Hold Fox - here here big man! But if I'm asked to comment then I will always give my honest opinion.
M
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newcastlepilot - please do not misinterprate my comments, I\'m as sick as you and everybody else is about this whloe thing, but again - me and others are drifting into the he did this and he did that when at the end of the day none of us knew what really went on.
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Hello Members:
Steady on gentleman, getting a bit naughty again - keep it calm.
HighSpeedTape: What are you saying, if people post an opinion about somebody and they are friends of yours do you get them "filled in" because your post looks like a warning to me?
NewcastlePilot - the funeral car, had heard that but on the other hand had also heard TOPJET's version, that it just didn't happen, who knows. I think TJ has been very upfront in this thread, infact everybody has been upfront, keep it coming but lets keep it fair.
Joeseph Forster, I know the man and he has had his fingers in some pies over the years, a right little "Del Boy."
When he was on the committee I believe he claimed "expenses" to the tune of £300 per week for writing the course work for the twin training a few years ago - something Les Bates did 2 years ago for nothing.
Good luck
BB
Steady on gentleman, getting a bit naughty again - keep it calm.
HighSpeedTape: What are you saying, if people post an opinion about somebody and they are friends of yours do you get them "filled in" because your post looks like a warning to me?
NewcastlePilot - the funeral car, had heard that but on the other hand had also heard TOPJET's version, that it just didn't happen, who knows. I think TJ has been very upfront in this thread, infact everybody has been upfront, keep it coming but lets keep it fair.
Joeseph Forster, I know the man and he has had his fingers in some pies over the years, a right little "Del Boy."
When he was on the committee I believe he claimed "expenses" to the tune of £300 per week for writing the course work for the twin training a few years ago - something Les Bates did 2 years ago for nothing.
Good luck
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Eh? Sorry old chap don't understand what you are getting at. I don't get others to do my dirty work, I don't have to as I'm well capable of attending to my own problems as are the other people I mentioned. The remark was a warning and not a threat. I would prefer to think of it as a bit of sage advice. I really cannot see how it could be interpreted otherwise. People can think and say whatever they like about me but as they obviously do not know me then I would say that it could be a dangerous thing to do. Sort of a gamble don't you think? This is the point I was trying to make about inviting others to speculate about people that one does not know.
Eh? Sorry old chap don't understand what you are getting at. I don't get others to do my dirty work, I don't have to as I'm well capable of attending to my own problems as are the other people I mentioned. The remark was a warning and not a threat. I would prefer to think of it as a bit of sage advice. I really cannot see how it could be interpreted otherwise. People can think and say whatever they like about me but as they obviously do not know me then I would say that it could be a dangerous thing to do. Sort of a gamble don't you think? This is the point I was trying to make about inviting others to speculate about people that one does not know.
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TJ has told you all he knows,there is no more to tell !
Gentlemen its about the club not vendettas .please
Gentlemen its about the club not vendettas .please
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