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How about a:
L29; L39; T33; T34; Fouga Magister; or Mig 15/17
at the Jet warbird Center (http://www.jetwarbird.com) in the USA....
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L29; L39; T33; T34; Fouga Magister; or Mig 15/17
at the Jet warbird Center (http://www.jetwarbird.com) in the USA....
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How about a L29; L39; T33; T34; Fouga Magister; or Mig 15/17 at the Jet warbird Center
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Update,
Have contacted Skytrace re: Yak52.
The training looks great and there is an exceptional amount of Aero's training available. Unfortunately, they cannot hire for solo flight.
Are ther any public transport chipmunks in the Midlands? Likewise bulldogs or similar?
This hunt is turning out to be a bit more challenging than I had thought.
Obs cop
Have contacted Skytrace re: Yak52.
The training looks great and there is an exceptional amount of Aero's training available. Unfortunately, they cannot hire for solo flight.
Are ther any public transport chipmunks in the Midlands? Likewise bulldogs or similar?
This hunt is turning out to be a bit more challenging than I had thought.
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Depends on where you consider the Midlands to begin and end. There is a place which might just about count as being in the Midlands, but it already gets enough free advertising here and on the Flyer forum so you can probably guess where it is.
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Personally, I think it's a good idea for pilots to try different types. All too many stay with the trusty old 'spam can' that they originally learned on, and instead of building e.g. 1,000 hours, they have "one hour one thousand times over". Their skills never develop, and it's no wonder they ultimately get bored.
Of course, it is easy to say "try different types", and another to actually do it. I know that it can sometimes be difficult to find more-or-less exotic airplanes for rent; but with a bit of patience and homework, opportunities usually present themselves. Don't be afraid to ask around, as Obs Cop has done.
Another problem that can arise is the rather cursory check-out procedures that are employed by some 'instructors'. While 10-hour checkouts are usually an attempt to 'milk' someone for money (at least in the case of relatively simple airplanes), I don't think that it's really good enough to simply do a couple of dual circuits. This article provides some helpful suggestions about what a proper check-out should include. Additional tips may be found in Chapter 13, "That Mysterious New Plane", in John Hoyt's classic As The Pro Flies (1959).
Of course, it is easy to say "try different types", and another to actually do it. I know that it can sometimes be difficult to find more-or-less exotic airplanes for rent; but with a bit of patience and homework, opportunities usually present themselves. Don't be afraid to ask around, as Obs Cop has done.
Another problem that can arise is the rather cursory check-out procedures that are employed by some 'instructors'. While 10-hour checkouts are usually an attempt to 'milk' someone for money (at least in the case of relatively simple airplanes), I don't think that it's really good enough to simply do a couple of dual circuits. This article provides some helpful suggestions about what a proper check-out should include. Additional tips may be found in Chapter 13, "That Mysterious New Plane", in John Hoyt's classic As The Pro Flies (1959).
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I think most warbirds are going to be a little more expensive than your Cessnas, pipers or Katanas but they are so much fun. I fly a chipmunk and its a great intro to warbirds (feel free to correct me) some say its like a spitfire but without the performance plus it doesnt cost the earth unlike a harvard. YAKS I imagine would be great to fly but I personaly wanted to fly tailwheels as some say it makes you a better pilot plus its a bit of a challenge as well.
One big thing about the chipmunk (warbirds in general I suppose) is that for every hour you spend in the air there always seems to be (for me anyway) an hour + involved in cleaning etc before you put her back in her hangar for the night you just get so involved with the aircraft.
hope your search for some warbird flying goes well
One big thing about the chipmunk (warbirds in general I suppose) is that for every hour you spend in the air there always seems to be (for me anyway) an hour + involved in cleaning etc before you put her back in her hangar for the night you just get so involved with the aircraft.
hope your search for some warbird flying goes well
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I've started doing my conversion on a "Chipfire" in Shoreham and have to say that I really fell in love with that old lady.
It's just so a different way of flying when you strap into that cockpit with the controls being located and formed in the way they were meant to be located and formed (=right hand stick, left hand throttle), the great "proper warbird cockpit layout" with no overweight passenger sitting to your right, and the the oilish-fuelish-sweatish smell within it is the greatest my senses have ever enjoyed.
I pay £110 per hour, is that a competitive price? Would love to hear what other Chip drivers are paying.
It's just so a different way of flying when you strap into that cockpit with the controls being located and formed in the way they were meant to be located and formed (=right hand stick, left hand throttle), the great "proper warbird cockpit layout" with no overweight passenger sitting to your right, and the the oilish-fuelish-sweatish smell within it is the greatest my senses have ever enjoyed.
I pay £110 per hour, is that a competitive price? Would love to hear what other Chip drivers are paying.
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£5.5k for one sixth share.
£100pm
£55ph
One sixth of all other bills, which can be quite a lot
Worth every penny though
Commercial hire rates can be quite high as they are expensive aircraft to keep and there aren't many around for hire, the BA Flying Club at Wycombe charge £110 for a 30min trial flight in theirs.
Henlow hire at £150 dual and £120 solo.
Liverpool Flying Club £135 dual and £125 solo.
Eaglescott £130 dual only.
Bagby a frightening £188 dual only according to their website.
WF.
I pay £110 per hour, is that a competitive price? Would love to hear what other Chip drivers are paying.
£100pm
£55ph
One sixth of all other bills, which can be quite a lot
Worth every penny though
Commercial hire rates can be quite high as they are expensive aircraft to keep and there aren't many around for hire, the BA Flying Club at Wycombe charge £110 for a 30min trial flight in theirs.
Henlow hire at £150 dual and £120 solo.
Liverpool Flying Club £135 dual and £125 solo.
Eaglescott £130 dual only.
Bagby a frightening £188 dual only according to their website.
WF.
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I fly a Chipmunk and it' a great intro to warbirds ... plus it doesn' cost the earth, unlike a Harvard
YAKS I imagine would be great to fly, but I personaly wanted to fly tailwheels as some say it makes you a better pilot plus its a bit of a challenge as well.
One big thing about the Chipmunk (warbirds in general I suppose) is that for every hour you spend in the air there always seems to be (for me anyway) an hour + involved in cleaning etc before you put her back in her hangar for the night
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MILS-12D,
I'm currently staying in Toronto (Mississauga, actually) and would be most grateful of the chance to fly in the Harvard. Already tried the Chipmunk (owned a share for 5 years) and she's a fantastic aeroplane, so would be happy to make the comparison....
Any chance of some details of the Harvard venue?
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WP
I'm currently staying in Toronto (Mississauga, actually) and would be most grateful of the chance to fly in the Harvard. Already tried the Chipmunk (owned a share for 5 years) and she's a fantastic aeroplane, so would be happy to make the comparison....
Any chance of some details of the Harvard venue?
Regards,
WP
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WP,
Nice to hear that you are in Canada, and I hope that you are enjoying your stay.
I tried to send you a PM, but apparently you have "chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages" ...
If you can remedy this, please let me know and I'll try again.
For present purposes: the airplanes that I (am privileged to) fly are all owned by the Canadian Harvard Aircraft Association, which is a super organization made up of wonderful, very friendly people. The CHAA is based at Tillsonburg aerodrome, about 1.5 hours drive west of Mississauga. It is a registered charity and does not sell rides; however, orientation flights are available to new and existing members.
Nice to hear that you are in Canada, and I hope that you are enjoying your stay.
I tried to send you a PM, but apparently you have "chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages" ...
If you can remedy this, please let me know and I'll try again. For present purposes: the airplanes that I (am privileged to) fly are all owned by the Canadian Harvard Aircraft Association, which is a super organization made up of wonderful, very friendly people. The CHAA is based at Tillsonburg aerodrome, about 1.5 hours drive west of Mississauga. It is a registered charity and does not sell rides; however, orientation flights are available to new and existing members.
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Unless you have experience with air brakes, radial engines, and experience in other Eastern block military aircraft, I would say 1 hour is NOT enough time to do a check out on a YAK 52
My personal experience doing conversion training on a Nanchang CJ6 was 2.5 to 6 hours for the 5 pilots I have checked out.
Unless you have experience with air brakes, radial engines, and experience in other Eastern block military aircraft, I would say 1 hour is NOT enough time to do a check out on a YAK 52
My personal experience doing conversion training on a Nanchang CJ6 was 2.5 to 6 hours for the 5 pilots I have checked out.
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There's a chap at Duxford who will let you go up in his WWII Hurricane for £88 an hour.
Henlow have a Chipmunk and a Tiger Moth for hire (and lots of other interesting Syndicates), share in a J3 Cub going I think....
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BK, is Henlow open to civvie members? I completed my TWC a month ago and am looking to join a club with either a Cub for hire or Chippie to do a type conversion on. As Henlow has both types on the books and is only 40 mins down the road from me, I'd be very interested to learn more.... 
Ta in advance,
BeauMan
Ta in advance,
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I pay £115ph solo and add £18ph for instructers fee if you do dual, plus £8 landing fee.
MLS-12D
my apologies, I shouldnt have made that comparison with the harvard
Youre right about the time I got a bit carried away, but it can take us an hour to get her in the hangar though (not before as I had stated) this is due to operating procedures + where the hangar is. It could be longer if we didnt have such helpful, understanding + friendly people in the club and around the airfield (most notably the fuel guys).
Could the Yak 52TW/TD or even a Yak11 (moose) be a challenge compared with aircraft such as the harvard, chippie etc?
when we clean the chippie we find once shes been cleaned she'll just start leaking again and you can always tell where weve been on the apron there is always a reminder that a chippie once sat there.
I remember reading the classifieds of a GA mag (pilot/flyer or something) a couple of years ago advertising shares for a YAK 9 (2 seat variant) did I dream this or does it really exist and is it still going?
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MLS12-D check your PMs
I pay £115ph solo and add £18ph for instructers fee if you do dual, plus £8 landing fee.
MLS-12D
my apologies, I shouldnt have made that comparison with the harvard
Youre right about the time I got a bit carried away, but it can take us an hour to get her in the hangar though (not before as I had stated) this is due to operating procedures + where the hangar is. It could be longer if we didnt have such helpful, understanding + friendly people in the club and around the airfield (most notably the fuel guys).
Could the Yak 52TW/TD or even a Yak11 (moose) be a challenge compared with aircraft such as the harvard, chippie etc?
when we clean the chippie we find once shes been cleaned she'll just start leaking again and you can always tell where weve been on the apron there is always a reminder that a chippie once sat there.
I remember reading the classifieds of a GA mag (pilot/flyer or something) a couple of years ago advertising shares for a YAK 9 (2 seat variant) did I dream this or does it really exist and is it still going?
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MLS12-D check your PMs
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BeauMan,
Henlow Flying Club is entirely a civilian club on an RAF Airfield, so you need to contact them first to arrange a car pass. If you join the club then a permanent pass can be arranged. Henlow is a great airfield to fly from having 6 grass runways, so if you want the wind on the nose you have got it, or an instant crosswind for a bit of practice!
The chippie is one of the best I have seen, and is the one that Prince Charles learned to fly in (so probably has had new undercarriage )
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Henlow Flying Club is entirely a civilian club on an RAF Airfield, so you need to contact them first to arrange a car pass. If you join the club then a permanent pass can be arranged. Henlow is a great airfield to fly from having 6 grass runways, so if you want the wind on the nose you have got it, or an instant crosswind for a bit of practice!
The chippie is one of the best I have seen, and is the one that Prince Charles learned to fly in (so probably has had new undercarriage
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I do not recall suggesting that one hour is quite sufficient for a Yak-52 checkout. In any case, I am sure that there are various quirks (especially with respect to the pneumatics) that must be learned by anyone wishing to fly the aircraft correctly.
BPF, apparently I have offended you. Please accept my apologies, as it was not my intention to belittle your choice of aircraft or suggest that you are somehow less than a 'real pilot' because you have chosen to fly a nosewheel type.
Chippik, no need to apologize. I have not (yet!) flown a Chipmunk, but from everything that I have heard, and read, it is a wonderful airplane ... my comment about your Harvard comparison was intended to be tongue in cheek. Obviously Harvards are bigger and more complex, but that doesn't necessary mean 'better' (but does mean more expensive).
I have read your PM and will send you one of my own later today, when I have a bit more time.
BPF, apparently I have offended you. Please accept my apologies, as it was not my intention to belittle your choice of aircraft or suggest that you are somehow less than a 'real pilot' because you have chosen to fly a nosewheel type.
Chippik, no need to apologize. I have not (yet!) flown a Chipmunk, but from everything that I have heard, and read, it is a wonderful airplane ... my comment about your Harvard comparison was intended to be tongue in cheek. Obviously Harvards are bigger and more complex, but that doesn't necessary mean 'better' (but does mean more expensive).
I have read your PM and will send you one of my own later today, when I have a bit more time.