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SOFTWARE UPDATE: New photo gallery, photo uploader, and mobile skin, April 23, 2018!

Old 4th May 2018, 19:03
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
I can't find the text size option in the thread typing mode...
At the moment there isn't one.
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Old 4th May 2018, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Nigerian Expat Outlaw
Nothing showing for me.

I'm using Pprune Ng.

NEO
1. Clear your cache
2. Turn off ad block
3. Still having issues? Let us know what device, browser and skin you're using. Maybe provide a screen shot of the blank posts.
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Old 4th May 2018, 20:27
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OK, something really weird has just happened. I've just logged on again from a Linux machine, and now the forum looks the same on screen no matter what style I set. This is a laptop, running Linux and Firefox, and had been fine until now. Now it's defaulted to the Mobile skin, for reasons unknown. I tried to change to the style I'd previously set, Next Gen Classic, yet there was no change - it's still in the Mobile style, although it's telling me now that it's not, the screen has reverted to the colour scheme of the mobile style, with all the usual hassles that gives on a conventional wide screen..........

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I've tried two different browsers, both are giving the same result - defaulting to the mobile style and if I try to change styles the only three choices show as:

Standard Styles:
PPRuNe Mobile

Mobile Styles:
PPRuNe Mobile

ClassicNextGen Styles:
PPRuNe NG

The "classic" style without the garish yellow has disappeared as an option, the default is the mobile style, which looks as is somehow something has changed in the past hour that has caused the forum to mistake Linux as if it's a mobile operating system (the same problem I continue to have with a large screen tablet).

As background, this is an Intel i7 mobile, running Linux Mint 18.3 and the problem is the same with either Firefox or PaleMoon browsers.

Next move will be to see if the forum actually works properly on Windows, but that can wait, I've wasted an hour trying to get things back to the way they were, so will have to look at this gain in the morning. I may try logging out, deleting all PPRuNe cookies and, trying yet again to get things back to a semblance of normality.

Edited again to add:

Logging out, manually clearing all the PPRuNe cookies, closing Firefox, restarting it, going to PPRuNe and logging in again results in the view defaulting to the mobile style. If I change the style, the only option available is PPRuNe NG, and that has the very garish yellow bands, text issues etc, that were previously fixed by switching the default style. Somehow that option has now gone...............

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Old 4th May 2018, 22:13
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That all looks as-designed to me. The proper style for a laptop would be PPRuNe NG.
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Old 4th May 2018, 23:44
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In whose opinion?
I usually view the forum on a desktop with a 19" 4:3 monitor. Very rarely - 5 minutes ago being the last time to see what happened - I view it on a 15" 4:3 laptop.
Why should they have compulsory different viewing settings?

Before anybody says it's my fault for using old technology, I never watch films, TV or any other media on a PC or laptop so a widescreen is useless and inconvenient to me. That's why I've got an old laptop and am seriously considering buying a spare monitor in case this one dies.
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Old 4th May 2018, 23:46
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Same setting for laptop or desktop.
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Old 4th May 2018, 23:47
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Desktop settings not available on the laptop - I tried - not there, mobile only.
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Old 5th May 2018, 00:04
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Originally Posted by DHfan
Desktop settings not available on the laptop - I tried - not there, mobile only.
You can't set the page to PPRuNe NG?
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Old 5th May 2018, 04:51
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What is a hamburger menu? Pleas talk in English, not IT speak. Thank you.

This new format is the Pitts!!
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Old 5th May 2018, 08:46
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Originally Posted by IBobi
That all looks as-designed to me. The proper style for a laptop would be PPRuNe NG.
But what changed last night?

The site view I had until around 20:00 GMT was the one I've managed to get to look half decent, with the VBulletin logo at the top left, no garish yellow bars, no scrolling problems, and overall is was reasonably OK. Now that style has gone, and even on this Windows machine, with Firefox as the browser, I have the default view as being the mobile one (which looks daft on a 24" screen) and the only option I have in the user CP is to switch to the "PPRuNe NG" style, which used to fix all the visual problems, but now is back with the bright yellow bars and the very garish colour scheme, that's a bit hard on the eyes, if I'm honest.

Is it possible to just restore the style to the way it was before the change last night, please, at least as an option?

The only options I seem to have now are the mobile version, or the garish version with the yellow bars that was the default for a non-mobile device immediately after the update, whereas until last night there was an option (which I'd selected) for a more muted colour scheme, that as well as being easier on the eye was also a fair bit faster. The only non-mobile version that's now available is the original one from immediately after the update, with the garish bars, jerky scrolling, etc, something we'd been able to opt out of (thanks to your help and advice) by going to the User CP and changing the default style. It looks like the style that's now called PPRuNe NG is really the same as the default style that was introduced with the update, and there are no other choices of style available.
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Well, we're up to page 6 here now, and page 7 on Jet Blast re this subject, and the way I read it, a fair majority do not like the 'new' PPRuNe and would prefer the old version.
At the risk of making myself somewhat unpopular in certain circles;

IBobi; You got the message yet, Mate?
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Old 5th May 2018, 11:11
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Originally Posted by IBobi
You can't set the page to PPRuNe NG?
Yes, but why would I want that? It's the garish white and yellow I changed away from as soon as you explained how to on the desktop.
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Old 5th May 2018, 12:12
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Yes, but why would I want that? It's the garish white and yellow I changed away from as soon as you explained how to on the desktop.
I'm glad it's not just me that's experienced this change; I must have tried everything already listed at least twice to get the forum looking like it did before yesterday's change, all to no avail. It still defaults to the mobile style on non-mobile devices that don't happen to be running Windows. I've been right back through this thread, and whereas doing as suggested in this post: SOFTWARE UPDATE: New photo gallery, photo uploader, and mobile skin, April 23, 2018! used to do exactly as it says, offer two options, the first under the "ClassicNextGen Styles" option being "Default Style" (which returned the screen to a watchable, toned down blue/grey colour scheme), but that option has now been removed, and the only option available is the very garish "PPRuNe NG", which is frankly pretty dire, IMHO.

It looks as if something has been changed in the last 24 hours to remove that "Default Style" from the selections available for some reason, may be by accident, may be by intent (although I can't see a good reason for removing a pretty good style option).

So, is there any chance that the "Default Style" can be put back as an option, please? By all means leave the initial default as PPRuNe NG (for those not using the mobile style), so that users have to physically go into the User CP to change to the style they prefer, but I can't see any harm in allowing that, it can only be a good thing for users to have this option back.
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why is it copyright 2012?
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Old 5th May 2018, 18:14
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Originally Posted by underfire
why is it copyright 2012?
TBH, I don't know. I'm an admin on another forum (which admittedly doesn't run on VBulletin - sorry Internet Brands, I know you also own VBulletin....) but I'm reasonably familiar with the way the VBulletin Admin CP works, as it's not a lot different from the other forum software as far as the basics are concerned. Updating the copyright dates should be an automatic option, selectable from the Admin CP, much like the other issue of allowing the User CP to be able to select a range of styles (and from reading the VBulletin forum it's clear that the Admin CP allows a range of styles to be offered via the User CP).

My guess is that it's just something that's been overlooked during the update, something that I know can be a bit of a fraught process.
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I noticed that the yellow had reappeared on the page.
I now notice that both my desktop and laptop say they're using the PPrune Mobile layout.
Sheer genius...
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Old 5th May 2018, 20:59
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The problem seems to be that the forum software is struggling to determine whether members are using a mobile device with a small screen, like a 'phone running Android or iOS, or they are using a laptop, tablet or desktop PC that's running with a larger screen.

To be fair, this is a problem that isn't unique to VBulletin, or many web sites. It seems that some sites (sadly including this one now) use a flawed technique for determining whether or not to use the mobile format or the desktop format. The problem isn't an easy one to fix, as some mobile devices have high resolution screens, even though they are small, so the two techniques that used to be used to identify a mobile device, and so use the mobile style, can be unreliable.

The problem is compounded by Android really being a Google version of Linux, but with some non-open source Google proprietary code, so it's possible that any device running Linux could be confused for one running Android. Add in that the screen resolution of some mobile devices can exceed that of some desktop, or laptop, machines, and even the normally reported data that is always sent back to the servers of any website (that give the OS, browser, screen resolution etc, of the users device) gets pretty difficult to interpret.

This is far from being just a problem for forums, it's a challenge that loads of websites struggle with getting right. Some just cheat a bit, and do as the BBC News site does, and format the site so that it has wide white bands down either side when viewed on a large screen device, just to better fit the portrait format of mobile phones. Some take the more logical step of using a different URL for the mobile version (often with /m/ in the URL) so that users can choose as to whether to access the mobile version or the desktop/laptop/large screen tablet version. Most problems seem to be when websites try to automatically detect a mobile device, and just serve up different site format based on that guesstimate as to what the device really needs in order to have an acceptable look and usability.

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Old 6th May 2018, 14:30
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What's going on with this crap new software ??
OK, I can copy and paste an image now,- great, but it tells me ERROR:- 'The text that you have entered is too long (396474 characters). Please shorten it to 30000 characters long."
So I leave the image and even delete ALL text thinking I'll edit it to add text, and it still tells me:- 'The text that you have entered is too long (396474 characters). Please shorten it to 30000 characters long.'

The old software wasn't broken. Why change it !!

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Old 7th May 2018, 13:42
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Functionality not there

Originally Posted by IBobi
You can't set the page to PPRuNe NG?
I can't either.
Also, am unable to locate the log in/log out button in order to log out.
In my various attempts to get back to the default, rather than this app thing, not being able to log out is added to my function failures.
Browser information: IE 11; Version 11.483.15063.0CO; 11.0.44(KB4025252)
Air France on the ropes (again)?
I was able to reply to a post. When so doing, I selected my name but found no way to log out from PPRuNe.
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Old 7th May 2018, 19:22
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Well, no page option on this infinitely long Dead Sea Scroll. Took 6 minutes to get down to here, probably designed to dissuade us from commenting. Typing takes an age, you have to stop hitting the keys to give the text time to catch up. Love the content but this TSB style upgrade is the pits. Adverts now get in the way, take forever to load too, and are very distracting. Should have all been sorted, like TSB, before going live. Upgrade not been run by 2 FTS has it. JOKE!! The of course it may all have been designed by IT whizz kids with latest technology, not us old buffers on W7 on an elderly laptop.
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