PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Passengers & SLF (Self Loading Freight) (https://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf-self-loading-freight-61/)
-   -   U.S. Supreme Court Considers Frequent Flier Contracts (https://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf-self-loading-freight/529146-u-s-supreme-court-considers-frequent-flier-contracts.html)

Mark in CA 4th Dec 2013 06:46

U.S. Supreme Court Considers Frequent Flier Contracts
 
From today's NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/04/us...contracts.html


Rabbi S. Binyomin Ginsberg used to fly often enough on Northwest Airlines that he achieved Platinum Elite status, the highest level. But the airline revoked his membership in its frequent flier program in June 2008, saying that he had abused it by making too many complaints and by booking himself on full flights in the hope of being bumped.

PAXboy 4th Dec 2013 10:58

Anyone who thinks that FFPs are balanced between carrier and pax does not understand how FFPs work!

All companies that run a customer loyalty programme - from the days of Green Shield Stamps to the electronic card at a supermaket (which are Green Shield Stamps :rolleyes: - knows that they can change it at will.

Fair? No.
Life? Yes.

Whether or not this particular pax overworked the FFP of Northwest, is difficult to know. What is known is that countless folks will try to do this.

Hotel Tango 4th Dec 2013 11:27

Airlines don't like it up them Captain Mainwaring!

ExXB 4th Dec 2013 14:22

While it is in the contract that they can terminate membership, IMHO they should have allowed hit to either use his 'earned' miles or bought him out.

Ya, he likely was a PITA, but you don't just take something from somebody without compensation. If he did it to the airline he would be arrested for stealing.

SpringHeeledJack 5th Dec 2013 18:24

The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away :} Probably somewhere in the very small print there is a clause stating that inappropriate conduct will render FFP membership null and void. As already noted it seems unusual that the 'worth' of the passenger's status within the program wasn't returned on his being cast out into the desert.

PAXboy 5th Dec 2013 21:21

ExXB Yes, I agree entirely but they will win the substantive case. Whenever you are presented with a Software or Hardware contract online there is no point reading it - because they all say the same: "We can do anything you (the supplier of money) can do nothing."

fdcg27 9th Dec 2013 22:57

A frequent flyer program is no more and no less than a contract between a carrier and its enrolled customers.
Not every provision of this heads I win and tails you lose agreement is enforceable by the airline, depending upon the contract laws of the state under which the contract is executed.
IMHO, Northwest, now Delta, was foolish not to have settled this case way back when.
This case could lead to a ruling based upon the applicable law and facts that could have far-reaching consequences for all carriers with US based passengers enrolled in their frequent flyer programs.
The days of bait and switch may be over and the airlines could find themselves with liabilities in these programs way beyond what they dreamed.

ExXB 10th Dec 2013 09:09

In the EU unfair contract terms are non-enforceable. It would appear, to me at least, that a contract term that they can terminate you without compensation is an unfair term. Is it really unfair? Well that's up to the courts to decide?

mixture 10th Dec 2013 21:00

Oy vey ! :E


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:25.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.