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box 28th Sep 2012 12:54

Siemens boycotts Ryanair
 
The Swedish Svenska Dagbladet reports:

The German industrial group Siemens, with 400,000 employees worldwide, has decided for a global boycott of Ryanair. But Ryanair has threatened legal action.
Siemens Group Management took the decision after Ryanair suffered a number of accidents and incidents in recent times and is a signal to the entire aviation industry.
Ryanair does not look at the decision with approval. ”If this story is true, then Ryanair will take legal action against Siemens” said Stephen McNamara, spokesman for Ryanair, to DN.se.

Just five days ago a Ryanair flying from Alicante in Spain to Gothenburg had to make an emergency landing in Denmark. Two Ryanair flights were cancelled at the previous weekend in Spain because of technical problems.

These are just some of the high-profile incidents that budget airline Ryanair has suffered recently. And now, Siemens, manufacturers of white goods, computers and nuclear reactors, has had enough. At a board meeting of the Group Management in Germany, the decision was taken to boycott Ryanair until further notice. The decision applies worldwide for all employees in190 countries worldwide. The boycott applies to all business flights that the Group’s 400,000 employees may need to take.

Mary Baldin, Information and Sustainability manager at Siemens in Sweden, says that the decision taken was with regard to the safety of the employees of Siemens. Baldin referred to recent events including those where Ryanair planes were forced to land because they did not have enough fuel.

With its many employees, Siemens is a major business travel customers. Thus, a boycott could be significant. Does Siemens use Ryanair often? “No, Ryanair is not on the list of the airlines we usually employ. The decision to avoid Ryanair altogether is not only to protect our employees, but is also a signal to the entire aviation industry. We do not accept that safety can be jeopardised to save money”.

763 jock 28th Sep 2012 13:11

I will never use Ryanair either. Nor would I book any of my family on Ryanair.

”If this story is true, then Ryanair will take legal action against 763 jock” said Stephen McNamara, spokesman for Ryanair......

Grow up and shut up McNamara. If Siemens don't want to use your product then that is their choice. There are plenty of us who feel the same way.

hval 28th Sep 2012 13:22


”If this story is true, then Ryanair will take legal action against Siemens”
Surely a company has the right to make the decision as to what airlines it uses, or are we missing information? Perhaps McNamara is saying he will sue Siemes for making it public?

KiloB 28th Sep 2012 13:25

Airline Safety
 
If it's the airline's safety record that is worrying them, I wonder how they feel about Air France's recent track record?

Momoe 28th Sep 2012 13:42

Don't get this - What's Siemens angle on this?

Ryanair aren't on their preferred list and anyway if I was going to not fly with any airline it would probably be AF, you may not like MOL or his business model but it's demonstrably safe. (Some on would say in spite of!)

bylgw 28th Sep 2012 14:33

There are business travel consultants that advise on these matters. They do the risk analysis for the clients. Siemens may just be acting on good advice.

Shytehawk 28th Sep 2012 14:37

O'Leary is going to throw his fridge and washing machine out of the pram.

merlinxx 28th Sep 2012 14:37

Spin speed ? Wonder have fast Tony Ryan is spinning in his after life :confused:

Ambient Sheep 28th Sep 2012 14:42

I wonder... could this be the first in a line of dominos? Especially if it's the result of advice from risk analysis consultants that may be advising more than one company.

I can't understand how Ryanair could sue Siemens though, unless it was for some sort of defamation perhaps. Whatever happened to "all publicity is good publicity", though? (Yes, the clichéd line, but someone had to say it and it might as well be me.)

FANS 28th Sep 2012 14:48


”If this story is true, then Ryanair will take legal action against Siemens” said Stephen McNamara, spokesman for Ryanair, to DN.se.
The usual, highly aggressive approach of a bully. Am I still allowed to say that on the internet without fear of reprissal?

If this story is true, I will definitely be only buying Siemens appliances going forwards.

TurboTomato 28th Sep 2012 14:51

Threatening them with legal action is a really, really bad move as well.

Tableview 28th Sep 2012 14:57

Let's be fair. I dislike Ryanair intensely and would never fly on them nor allow any of my family to do so.

This statement is untrue :


Siemens Group Management took the decision after Ryanair suffered a number of accidents and incidents in recent times and is a signal to the entire aviation industry.
I am not aware that they have had a single accident. There may be grave concerns over how safe they are, but is untrue and unfair to say they have 'suffered a number of accidents'. Perhaps it on that basis that they are considering suing.

TurboTomato 28th Sep 2012 14:59

Which is what I thought as well but this article doesn't categorically say that Siemens made that statement.

OLNEY 1 BRAVO 28th Sep 2012 15:02

Incidents is perhaps more accurate than accidents.

wiggy 28th Sep 2012 15:11

FWIW here's a link to what I think is the original report,


Siemens bojkottar Ryanair - som hotar med "rättsliga åtgärder" | SvD

The Swedish speakers amongst us it might clarify who said what - I got as far as working out what "Siemens" "bojkottar" and "Ryanair" meant in English, awarded myself 10 out of 10 and gave up.


I am not aware that they have had a single accident
Just asking - Did the Rome multiple birdstrike and resultant very hard landing get treated/classified as an accident or an incident by the authorities?

(slow) edit to add : FB beat me to it...

Flying Beancounter 28th Sep 2012 15:19

One ACCIDENT and a number of INCIDENTS
 

Tableview 28th Sep 2012 15:22

Here is the 'offending' sentence :


Siemens koncernledning har fattat beslutet sedan Ryanair drabbats av ett antal tillbud och incidenter den senaste tiden och är en signal till hela flygbranschen.
My knowledge of Swedish is very basic but it is a Germanic based language and I speak German. With a bit of help from Google, it seems that 'tillbud' means incident, and the word for 'accident' (olycka) does not appear. So somewhere the original report appears to have lost something in översättning.

Any Swedish speakers around before I pop next door to ask the Swedish au pair!

dmcna 28th Sep 2012 15:25

Siemens is a huge multi-national company, well known and respected the world over. If Ryanair choose to take them to court they really are going to bite off more than they can chew

ShyTorque 28th Sep 2012 15:48

Sounds to me that the announcement has rattled that cage to the point of panic and the representative opened his mouth without applying some common sense!

I let my wife book our holidays because she enjoys doing so and is a better organiser than I. The only rule I made about this is that she never books flights on that airline. Why? Because as a paying customer, I have a CHOICE.

Irrespective of alleged safety issues, I won't use any company if I don't like their attitude towards their customers. "Take it or leave it" arrogance seems to be their attitude, so in this case I'm simply going along with their own mantra.

antonov09 28th Sep 2012 15:49

Never let the facts get in the way of a good...
 
The reality is that Ryanair have one of the best safety records in the world let alone Europe over nearly a 30 year period.

As regards the fuel furore believe it or not on average they land with more fuel than a lot of other locos.

The lowest I ever landed with in my 5 years there was 2400KG and I was still above reserves. On average it was up near the 3 tonnes mark.

Having said that dont get me wrong, Im glad I got out of there.


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