message to ExXB
 

I don’t want this thread padlocked.
I did want VintageKrug’s important posting to survive a casual sideswipe of a mod . We are now past that vulnerable moment.

lack of cabin crew input on this thread
 

Hi ExXB, When Betty girl told you that none of the previous posters were cabin crew, she was giving you helpful information . Betty girl is cabin crew . I get the impression from various clues here and there that BA cabin crew are reluctant to say anything specific about the most recent i/r conflict . The wish for privacy is a good sign because generally people only talk about i/r disputes if they are current . I arrived in Melbourne a week ago and was not short of comments from Qantas cabin crew on what their management is allegedly doing wrong . When the Qantas arguments are settled I would expect their cabin crew to be tight-lipped.

Octopussy2 saidTry
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It is crude copy which has not been proof-read

notlangley
that's very much appreciated, thank you!

ExXB,

I don't really think they wanted it locked to stop people posting.

What they were worried about is that it might be deleted completely and they were trying to request that rather than delete the whole thread, it just be locked instead.

Not Langley is correct, the vast majority of cabin crew do not talk about the dispute, most just want to get on with their lives and discussing it is now counter productive to a good working environment.

It seems to be others that still want to discuss it all the time and most don't have any conection with BA other than being interested passengers of ours.

I'm sure Tightslot will close the thread never mind lock it if it drifts into a slanging match, as per previous threads.

I sincerely hope everyone can move on and work together for the sake of the carrier and its passengers.

It's important cabin crew have competent people representing them.

And it's also important that BA moves beyond the antagonism of the past.

However, it's paramount that the revisionism we have seen isn't perpetuated.

Having the facts of Duncan Holley's Employment Tribunal available for all to see - and on which people can make their own judgement - is a step towards the transparency which has so often been lacking in this dispute.

The decision is an interesting insight into the BASSA mindset.

"Union members first, and BA employees second" seems to sum up the whole problem between BA and the BASSA membership.

But that is what tribes do. All tribes protect themselves first and promote their interests. Whether the tribe is a family, a village, a football team, a union or a political party. Humans may belong to a number of tribes but the head of each tribe - has to put their tribe first.

Very interesting Vintage Krug and thanks for putting it up for all to see. Much appreciated. Whilst it was a long read, it was also sadly predictable. This guy single handedly tried, and still is, to bring BA to it's knees. I spoke to a colleague very high up in BA who told me they were ' spoilt' for choice on what to sack him for. After reading this, I now realise they were spot on. Well done BA for following this through. A lot of past senior managers and directors would have turned a blind eye to this, scarred of any repercussions.

I will never forget two very good friends whose families went through immense stress not knowing whether they would get away on their planned holiday at Xmas 2009 due to this guys ' 12 days of Christmas ' attempt at a strike. Fortunately he screwed the ballot up through his own arrogance.

He really is the bad side of trade unionism, and has done nothing for the
trade unions in general with his behaviour. And of course he is still there as
the BS collecting his union dues ( around 5k/month I believe ). As they say '
you really couldn't make it up ' :ugh::ugh:

keep this thread open...
 

it would be a shame if this thread were to be closed. the fact that the dispute is 'settled' doesn't mean that it has ceased to impact on BA staff or that there isn't room for further discussion of the issues involved. those issues not only affect BA and the staff but have echoes in other (transport) industries; the thread on tube drivers and their 'representation' is just one example.

i am old enough to appreciate well written contributions and do wince occasionally when confronted with a poorly written piece. it would be a shame if those who have something worthwhile to say felt inhibited in case their script were to be marked down by the examiner. john player's adverts used the slogan 'it's the tobacco that counts' and here our motto should be 'it's the content that counts'.

I agree entirely there is a whole lot more to come out regarding the dispute and it's effects on the airline.

There is at least one major court case due in 2012 and maybe more.


So please keep the thread open.

Do we know any more facts about the souces and uses of money by the bassa branch?
I'm not interested in rumours - pprune has had lots of them, but did anyone uncover the real facts?

Judging by the latest communications by BASSA they have absolutely no intention of honouring the letter and spirit of the settlement agreement that communications must be accurate and balanced. Some of them have been highly personal and just plain nasty.

Where are they now?
 

The interesting thing about this dispute and the revelations that are still coming out to this day, is that the truth is finally coming to light- even for those that were the staunchest BASSA supporters.

There is much disenchantment, many crew are finally realising that they've been sold a pup. I've always kept quiet onboard for fear of being lynched for being a strike breaker but more and more now I'm finding crew are saying they wish they had come to work themselves.

Witness those that have been sacked. I'm told only 3 of the 18 are currently employed, excluding of course all 3 sacked reps who are all employed by Unite- nice work if you can get it. Let them eat cake hey?

And what's become of some of the most vocal BASSA camp that managed to sneak away before they got into trouble? Well here's one, marketed at the time as a qualified lawyer and wise sage to the masses.

Now working as a RECEPTIONIST at a law firm

Not the high flying lawyer she and others portrayed her to be.

Could I suggest another thread is opened to discuss such matters.

My reason for requesting this thread be locked was to avoid the thread being hijacked by nefarious individuals (not you, AO) whose objective is to delete links such as that provided in the OP from public forums, with the aim of stifling debate.

Thankfully, this is not North Korea. Yet.

It would be splendid if this thread could now be locked by the moderator, to preserve it for posterity.

Thread stays open - content will be culled as necessary

Anyone have any updates on state of play with court cases etc?

That seems to be a procedural matter rather than the substantive hearing.