Well I don't think Litebulbs stoically defends Bassa.

I think Litebulbs defends Unite as he is a member and the job of Unions in General. I think he actually has an open mind about most things but likes to look at things from both sides.

I don't like how Bassa have manipulated its members and taken them out in a pointless strike and I know they have done this before but that does not mean that I don't think unions have a good role to play and I LIKE the way that litebulbs explains things from a union perspective.

I find him very helpful and informative.

....have to agree with BG on this one. LB is never rabid and is always considerate. Someone willing to express an opinion that doesn't chime with majority on this thread is welcome. It can be a bit like the Daily Mail sometimes.
LB is one of the only voices on this forum that takes on board others' opinions and learns from them. Most are too entrenched to change.

All hail the Litebulbs!

I do think Litebulbs usually holds reasonable positions - or at least is open to opposing perspectives, even if those differ from the views of others. And I absolutely agree that employees in lower paid, cyclical industries can benefit from collective representation.

But the belief that Unions are "above the law" is of considerable concern.

On the specific matter of the fake "mirror" PCCC.org website filled with porn, set up by a BASSA rep in early 2010, it is my understanding that Unite have declined to support his defence; I would imagine these are the sort of people who benefit from monies donated to crewdefence, which also does not publish any accounts.

PS means it is! ;)

Sorry!! Bad habits die hard!!I have corrected it yet again!!

Why would that be of concern? Anyone who is paid above £5.93 is above the law etc. etc.

It is my opinion that most trade unionists would believe that TULRcA 1992, is not a position that is acceptable. It appears that the CBI think it is too employee biased.

BG - a memory aid for you
 

It's BASSA's tits that are on its committee.

That is a different issue.

Your position is that Unions are above the law. That is, whatever laws are in place, you believe Unions are above them. Even if the laws were changed, they would still be above them. That is plainly wrong, and I don't think it's your intention.

If you disagree with the law, that's different.

What I think it is that you are setting out is that you disagree with the law, and wish it were changed, as do many other Trade Unionists.

I don't think Civil Society would function very well if one group believed it was not subject to the laws of the land - especially one which has been in place nearly two decades, well over half of which was during a government backed by the Trades Unions themselves, to the tune of tens of millions of pounds.

http://dailyelection.files.wordpress...ive-unite2.jpg

So while Unions may disagree with the law, there is absolutely no doubt that they must comply with it. :=

I think it may be this misguided belief about the legality of TU legislation, and the ways in which it might be changed, is at the heart of much of Militantism we see in organisations like BASSA.

Strikes, especially ones conducted in the way BASSA have gone about theirs, do nothing other than strengthen the need to have labour laws which restrict industrial terrorism.
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Once again I anoint Bettygirl with the fizz of forgiveness. :D

Where have you made this assumption?

My original post was about compensating from union funds, somebody who has been unfairly dismissed.

There is no law that says an employer has to act in a reasonable manner to there employees. There is no law to say that an employer has to reinstate an employee who has been unfairly dismissed.

If a union was to formulate a procedure to investigate an unfair dismissal and make its own judgement and either compensate or not, I believe that it would not be unlawful, or above the law as you put it.

er, can we talk about the dispute?
 

OH, FFS!!!!!

I value LB's contribution, as well as that of VK.

However, I DETEST it when you start nit-picking with each other, drifting well away from the BA CC Dispute.
If you want to have pre-GCSE debates about the law, pprune lays on Jetblast for just this sort of thing.

Please STOP IT.

Let's get back to the BA CC Dispute.

AO
 

I will again comply.

Well said - and about time, too!

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er, can we talk about the dispute?

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When I suggested that you all flamed me.

BASSA's book keeping
 

I’m in my book._ The book is mine.
Thou’rt in thy book._ The book is thine.
He’s in his book._ The book is his.
She’s in her book._ The book is hers.
It’s in its book._ The book is its.
You’re in your book._ The book is yours.
They’re in their book._ The book is theirs.
BASSA’s book keeping’s in BASSA’s good books.

Over on CC thread
 

Watersidewonker has re-emerged. There follows a brief history of postings:
NOV 2009
I will be voting yes on my ballot paper as i have seen the way people are treated in BA and the imposition is just another example and i don't need to look anything up as my little cabin crew brain can still think for itself.
DEC 2009 on learning that ballot was invalid
BA failed to supply names and leaving dates of people leaving on VR i also think the goverment got involved so as not to create even more problems for Brown
MAR 2010
I can't wait to see the airport ground to a standstill and all those dogooders coming in only to be told to go home again the twists are starting to unfold.

So here we go round 2 time to stand up and be counted don't be afraid of the management spin all that staff travel twaddle loss couldn't give a flying xxxx . Proud to stand up and be counted rather than pussy foot into work on a strike day. Bedfont is calling you know you want to.
MAY 2010
I can't help but tell you all the support has increased amongst crew for this dispute so your 5000 number mentioned will swell over the coming days of this dispute await the falling apart of the operation. The last few days I have updates from people on euf and ww telling me of loads of single figures on euf and figures below 30 on ww. Weakness is from the management side and strength from the union side little William your days are numbered.
OCT 2010
Well looks like all you chaps will be working at Xmas then manning the doors say goodbye to a spiffing good roast on Xmas day because this offer is dead in the water. I'm just waiting to see the looks on the faces of the so called backing BA chaps who find the department they work for goes adios to Espana with no sense of loyalty shown by the little man. Wake up your days are numbered as your jobs can be carried out cheaper on the continent
JAN 2011
What a long game of chess this is turning out to be. I feel we are now stronger and prouder than before to be supporting our union against this dictatorship roll on Friday another great ballot result once again.
MAR 2011
Oh sometimes the truth hurts Bassa remains strong in the face of a broken regime.


Incredible.

Is this dispute-related enough?

The legalities of the strike - and the operations of the union branch involved- are central to this dispute.

I am sorry if such discussion exceeds your intellectual capabilities.

Now, how is the Certification Officers investigation proceeding into this union branch which defies the law and point blank refuses to reveal whether or not it has properly audited accounts for the £1.5m of subs it collects annually from hard working cabin crew?

Coming from someone that lacks the emotional intelligence to concur that they may have been incorrect on certain points despite being told by someone with direct knowledge of the situation, I find that quite hard to take. (The lack of manners in refusing to even acknowledge the poster/s, I put down to good old ignorance.)

I have come to the conclusion that you are nothing more than a bumph specialist, VintageKrug. Lots of pretty words that, when analysed, turn out to have very little substance and generally say the same thing over and over again. Ancient Observer has been involved in this thread from the very start and while we don't always agree, I have far more respect for what he has to say on the subject than someone who appears to have fallen into the trap of believing in their own publicity. Looking at the number of regular posters that have drifted away, I'd guess I'm not the only one. (Then again, that could also be because there is very little left to say that hasn't already been said...)

I do believe that's a large part of the 'problem'.

There's no real news, a limited set of subjects that haven't been talked to death ... so some people pass the time by bickering.

Isn't this the nub of the whole dispute.

Yes it is. No person on the entire planet is immune from the effects of competition, and the future. Apparently BASSA believe they should be.

Until these fools realise they are asking for the impossible, they are going to miserable for the rest of their lives.

never a truer word said
 

Then again, that could also be because there is very little left to say that hasn't already been said...

Wonder how many posts there have been on both threads since it all kicked-off. There again, I still don't know the outcome of the great hat debate (I think they look good).