Oh yeah?
 

Longtime lurker. SLF not CC - hence here.

MissM also states "No-one wants to strike..........."

On the contrary, my dear, the fact that certain people wanted very much to strike seems to me to be at the heart of this. The fact that those self same people haven't a clue what to do now makes it even more painful to watch.

:ugh:

You make the basic error of assuming that an education also provides the individual with some common sense. I have never found this to be the case.
It is also wrong to assume that those who do not have degrees would only vote for strikes.
I am sure that there are many unemployed out there without degrees who would want employment.
So many graduates out there these days, the degree has become what the A level was and the O level before that. If all it gives you is the elitist attitude you show then what a waste of four years and a large debt.

johnowhiskyx - post 126
 

Apologies for going a little off thread, but I must correct you to the fact that Civil Service Pensions are free, they are not, it is little publicised but staff do make contributions, and there are 3 schemes operating, Classic, Classic Plus and Premium, and depending which scheme you are in determines what you pay in contributions.

Most Civil Servants around the country are youngsters not earning much more than £15K gross, and some not even that, they don't receive any perks, and have much the same difficulties to deal with each day as anyone else who has 'customers'.

Sorry to intrude on this thread, but having read a few references to free pensions in this debate, thought it time to enlighten - some of us were stupid enough to try and enhance our civil service pension by way of equitable life!!!!

Thank you for your indulgence.

Call100:

I don't believe ChicoG was showing an "elitist " attitude. Not at all.

Though I am not sure I agree with his/her proposal I can see that in certain circumstances it has merit for an employer.

May I disagree?! :) Some of the most rabid militants in our cabin crew are those who have such qualifications.

They are paid similar salaries to those they would get with their qualifications elsewhere but for a vastly better lifestyle. They are very much overqualified for the actual job, often only intended to do it "for a couple of years after Uni" but stayed. They have no chance of promotion/change, with the result that several years on they are now thoroughly sick of being treated as just another steward/ess by the airline and passengers when they think they are something better.

They are often the ones who think that BA crew are the best in the world, that LGW crew are of a lower grade entirely and wouldnt deign talk to a loco crew member.

Cabin Crewing (or indeed piloting) does not require a degree level qualification. Many do have one and many make the best use of their talents with businesses etc outside BA. Most dont and are frustrated or just plain bored.

Sorry, but I see his implied logic of those with a degree would be the only ones to see the bigger picture as elitist. Happy to agree to disagree though.
It would be wise to look at the disputes in areas where a degree is held by a majority of employee's before making such an assumption however.
:)

The Divine 'Miss M'
 

Looking at the number and frequency of her posts on 'The Other Forum,' does anybody else share my suspicion that 'Miss M' is not a person, but a group or committee of Bassamentalists? The consistency in style could be accomplished by using an editor (unemployed Arts graduate, perhaps) to keep it all in kilter.
I think we should be told!

MissM
 

I hope the posters on the other forum don't scare MissM away. She is the best weapon BA and working CC have in showing up the attitude and position of the stikers to members of the public.

The Big Picture
 

After the drubbing that Unite has had in the meeja of late, thanks mainly to their inability to control the wayward BASSA, they now need a victory to satisfy their supporters and their bruised egos.
The Unions' reaction to tomorrows cuts in public spending will be all the more vindictive as a result.

Thanks a bunch, BASSA.

Neptunus Rex
 

Disagree old buddy. With the loss of the patronage of their Labour puppet, Unite were always going to thrash around like a wounded animal just as they did when Maggie came to power.

Fortunately the Bassa dispute has served to warn the British public just how malicious & stupid the union movement can be. Bassa have done us a great favour in preparing us for the march of the dinosaurs.:ugh:

No doubt they will soon be joined by the rest of the rabble. Maybe I'll plan a vacation on some distant scented isle!

Miss M : CC Forum-- How Genuine ?
 

I guess most of you also read the cc forum and will thus have read the offerings of Miss M, who is currently the major proponent of BASSA.

Having read all of the thread, I am astonished at how blatant a liar he/she is.

Many times this poster has been pulled up over either the amount of savings offered by BASSA or if they were permanent or not and he/she simply sails over them and drags up the same figures TIME AND TIME AGAIN at a later date ( as now see CC forum ).

He/she is apparently indoctrinated to full-cult level. KEEP your children at home.

Unusually her replies are reasonably literate - unlike most of the UNITE rubbish ( press-releases etc) - but even so, one gets the impression that there is a schedule of BASSA posters for MIss M, WWW, and from times past A lurker and others I have forgotten.



Irrespective of the background personae, until this poster acknowledges that the BASSA initial "savings proposal " was misleading" and offered nothing lke the savings required they are a BASSA Trolll.

Now there's a thought
 

HiFlyer14 in post 156 over on the other thread is wondering of Miss M is actually Lizanne Malone. That could explain a lot. :ooh:

If it is Miss Malone, perhaps she can answer the oft repeated but not answered question about how many, if any, of the BASSA council actually went on strike and lost ST and income.

At the moment it sounds as if none of them did!

Miss M
 

I think you are all seeing conspiracy theories where there are none.

As a non striking member of cabin crew for BA, I may not agree with Miss M's point of view but she comes across as pretty genuine to me. In fact, it's actually quite nice to have someone from the other side of the fence that doesn't just throw out the one liners and run.

But then again, what would I know with my inferior education! :rolleyes:

Lizanne Malone 'outed?'
 

Just when I was beginning to wonder just why Miss M was so blinkered that she can admit of no failure by BASSA whatever, AlpineSkier posts the above which rang bells for me. Then, on the other forum, Highflyer14 appears to become rather exasperated at Miss M's constant reiteration of BASSA soundbytes and little substance.

The last paragraph appears to 'out' Miss M as Lizanne Malone, which makes so much sense, I am surprised the suggestion has not been made earlier. Events will probably prove me wrong, but it seemed to me "a hit, a palpable hit."

Roger.

Let's set one thing straight.

I am NOT Lizanne Malone.

Well Miss M has now denied that she's Ms Malone, but one might question her honesty given that she again repeated the £10 million saving lie in the same post. (Edit: in the official thread, not her post above)

Interesting that she posts nearly every afternoon until very late at night (UK time). Can't be working much at the moment. I wonder if she could be a BA CC off on long term sick based somewhere with a suitable timezone for her posts such as in the US? (perhaps LA?)

And you could be Mr Walsh?

LOL Litebulbs, I wish I was!

Well Miss M seems adamant she's not Lizanne - fair enough, I'll accept her word on this.

You've all got it wrong.

"You are Lobby Lud and I claim the Daily Herald prize of £10"!



[Explanatory note for les jeunes:

'Lobby Lud' was a man hired by a daily newspaper to prowl along the promenades of British seaside resorts. A "photoshopped" picture of him appeared in the paper.

If someone went up to him, carrying that day's edition of the newspaper, and challenging him with the exact words quoted above, he/she would be rewarded accordingly.

Many men were startled to be accosted in that manner.]