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LD12986 16th Jun 2010 21:02

Surely in a case as serious as this, everybody who had access to the aircraft should be questioned and the equipment checked for fingerprints?

Desk Jockey 16th Jun 2010 22:10

Wow, 2 posts that I know something about.
You can be sure that BA security will be taking a close interest in any interference with aircraft safety systems using relevant security devices.
And I'm not going to discuss them here!
Finger prints. If crew or have fiddled then fingerprints won't help. 1. Because they have to handle these items anyway as part of the job. 2. There is only one surface on the assembly suitable to take a print from, and 1. applies anyway.

Mariner9 17th Jun 2010 08:30

Some interesting comments on the other thread from what seemed to be a very rare species - a Gatwick striker.

But is he/she reallly? :=

I noted yesterday that HAHAHAetc's location was listed as "LHR" despite claiming to be Gatwick crew. Today I note it has been changed to "LGW". If correct, it seems he/she has got the transfer he/she claims to be striking about (albeit in the reverse direction :E )

Diplome 17th Jun 2010 09:14

Mariner9...good catch.

It seems that talks have broken down between BA and BASSA/Unite.

The Union has not commented yet...and the adventure continues.

UK conciliator says BA labor talks broken down - BusinessWeek

oggers 17th Jun 2010 10:17

The pro-striker attitude...
 

FACT. I withdrew my labour and played my part in being responsible for over 150 million pounds of costs.
The more I read form the pro-strike camp the more I become convinced that we are dealing with a very unworthy bunch.

Diplome 17th Jun 2010 10:22

oggers:

When reading comments such as the one you posted it is certainly hard to disagree with you.

What is amazing is that some of these people fail to realize that BA thought that that price was a bargain.

I suppose when you go through a failed strike and end up with much less than you started with you have to try to scavange a victory somewhere, however absurd it seems to others.

jetset lady 17th Jun 2010 11:19

oggers,

I may not agree with the strike but the post you have quoted has been taken totally out of context, presumably in an effort to make it look more dramatic and fuel the fire. I think it's only fair that it be placed back into the context in which it was written.


FACT. BA without agreement from my representatives took my transfer right from me. FACT. I withdrew my labour and played my part in being responsible for over 150 million pounds of costs. RESULT. Neither BA nor I won. I think this is typical in any trade dispute which results in industrial action.


just an observer 17th Jun 2010 11:19

Posted by MissM on the other thread

I have seen the list of routes and some of them are YYC, MRU, ORD, CPH and SOF. It's a very tactical move of BA to choose some of the least popular destinations for New Fleet. What were they hoping to gain by choosing these ones and not some of our more lucrative and popular destinations?

I hope someone over there answers this one. I would guess BA were trying to get CC to accept new fleet by starting with unpopular, low paying routes. What else? I daresay it is a tactical move, but why look beyond BA trying to get acceptance to the idea of new fleet? Talk about mistrust. If BA had offered popular routes to NF, BASSA would have had a field day complaining about it.

Besides, the 'lucrative' routes won't be once the MTP comes in, although I daresay, some will still be popular just because of where they are.

Snas 17th Jun 2010 13:33


Besides, the 'lucrative' routes won't be once the MTP comes in, although I daresay, some will still be popular just because of where they are.
....which is one of the benefits of the MTP, request trips can now be populated with places that you would actually like to go to rather than just the high paying routes.

If it didnt pay so well would many actually want to go to NRT, really?

Hotel Mode 17th Jun 2010 22:17


I hope someone over there answers this one. I would guess BA were trying to get CC to accept new fleet by starting with unpopular, low paying routes. What else? I daresay it is a tactical move, but why look beyond BA trying to get acceptance to the idea of new fleet? Talk about mistrust. If BA had offered popular routes to NF, BASSA would have had a field day complaining about it.
With apologies to Jim Bowen its another bit of "lets have a look at what you could have won". BA know full well that BASSA arent agreeing anything, so when the inevitable happens BA will transfer the routes they actually want to transfer and blame BASSA for the extra cost savings becoming necessary.

BA are getting savings way beyond what most of us expected by using the fact BASSA say no to everything and just ratcheting up the pressure each time they do. So far the strikes have cost about a 777 and a half. Pretty good value for money in comparison.

west lakes 17th Jun 2010 22:24

There are other fractors involved with transferring routes to other staff, who have been flying them during the strikes.
It's a part of it that BASSA haven't picked upon, but has been hinted on by LGW and one of WW's statements in a BA communication.

johnoWhiskyX 18th Jun 2010 06:32

Bassa mentality
 
While real news concerning the ongoing dispute is scarce the story is still interesting.

Anythining I have seen including some posters in the other thread are allmost Orwellian in nature with a soupcon of the
Che Guevara's.

The few who are sticking their heads above the parapets seem increasingly concerned in defending the strike with supposition and hearsay rather than proving the barrage of questions sent their way by other posters as wrong.
Ignorance is strength.

definition Owellian wikipedia; "..
It connotes an attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth.."

fincastle84 18th Jun 2010 09:38

After next week's budget when the massive cuts in the public sector will be announced, Unite will have it's' hands full organising meetings & ballots for its' millions of public service members. Any concern for Bassa will be firmly on the back burner, in fact will probably be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Bassa must surely realise that they have lost big time & should quietly get on with the task of saving BA or start looking for alternative employment.

PAXboy 18th Jun 2010 11:54

fincastle84

Bassa must surely realise that they have lost big time
Probably not. Did the stevedores accept that container ships had changed their world? Did the miners accept that economics had changed? Did the printers accept that Murdoch had broken Fleet Street?

It tends to be the case that groups with an entrenched position remain convinced that they were right - till the end of their days. Some printers will admit that they had it too good and that they got away with false practices for a long time and then got on with something else - others never accepted the change. Those who are stuck in old ways of doing things are left behind.

I worked in telecommunications for 27 years and was a specialist in voice based equipment (PABX, voice networks and associated equipment) but some of the things that cost thousands of pounds and required careful set up - can now be bought for a couple of hundred from an online catalogue and arrive ready to go. So I went and did other things.

The law of averages says that some of BASSAs people will know that. Some will be holding on hoping that they will win one more time but most will be realising that it is over. The leaders however, cannot do so. They have become so involved that simple male pride will not allow them to change. Ask Arthur Scargill if he was right?

ChicoG 18th Jun 2010 11:57


They have become so involved that simple male pride will not allow them to change. Ask Arthur Scargill if he was right?
There's a slur on Malone I haven't heard before...

:}

ExecClubPax 18th Jun 2010 12:13

Another 12 Weeks of Strikes
 
It seems UNITE/BASSA have written to its BA CC members announcing another 12 weeks of strikes from 3 August through to the 25 October. This is yet another attack on the average family holiday. Not being able to damage them at Christmas, they seem hell bent on ruining summer trips to Europe.

I expect we'll see a response from BA fairly shortly now.

OSAGYEFO2 18th Jun 2010 13:54

Another ballot--Anyone know what the question is?:*

Neptunus Rex 18th Jun 2010 15:38

I'd love to be a 'fly on the wall' in the BASSA lawyers' chambers as they try and formulate a strategy that will convince the Courts that the next strike has nothing to do with the last one.

R Knee 18th Jun 2010 16:14

ChicoG:

Quote:
They have become so involved that simple male pride will not allow them to change. Ask Arthur Scargill if he was right?
There's a slur on Malone I haven't heard before...


Funniest post in a long time.:D Many thanks.

BTW don't ask Arthur - we haven't got the time to listen to his response.

TrakBall 18th Jun 2010 16:19

Suggested Ballot Questions
 
Some suggested BASSA ballot questions that would not be in any way connected with the previous IA.

1. PIMMS or Lager?
2. Burgers or Sausage Rolls?
3. Bouncy Castle or Petting Zoo

All vital questions because they might be spending a lot of time at Bedfont - maybe even permanently.

TB


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