Quiz time: Between 10/09/01 and 06/07/05 how many people died as a result of terrorist activities?

How many died trying to bring democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan?

...and G-CPTN, it is only by asking questions such as the above that I and many others can see through the crap that is The Establishment.

I suppose it depends on your point of view, but aren't they the same thing?

Google suggests it isn't hard if you can get the ingredients..

http://uncensored.citadel.org/amoeba...e=astrolit.txt

Just heard a NY city official saying he's known of this plot for several months, and thanking the British security services for keeping him in the loop.
Let's see: officials on both sides of the Atlantic have known for months that terrorists in the UK intend to blow up lots of planes. They have a handle on the conspiracy, they believe, and so they take no extra precautions. Fair enough.
But now the UK security services arrest 21 men, including all the major players, as they believe, and circumstances are more dangerous than they were when these 21 terrorists were on the loose? If they are not more dangerous how can they justify the extra "precautions"? If the airlines are safer now that these men have been arrested, how can they justify continuing for the past few months with "business as usual"?

Without wanting to sound like a Nazi or a jingoist but you can't help but see yet again that those arrested today all hailed from the same background and belief system as the 7/7 bombers and (I'm guessing at this stage) probably have alegiences to the same forces behind 9/11 and Madrid.

Well aware this is an aviation discussion forum and aware that I may be castigated for swaying this off topic slightly but I feel as pilots and potential pilots, we should maybe debate what should be done to lessen the effects of this affecting us in the future.

Personally I would suggest, presume and suspect that these people ar eof the opinion that they would welcome the establishment of Sharia law within the UK whither it be universal or in an enclave. Following fundamental Islamic beliefs and practices. Yes, there people are in the minority of Muslims, most I have had personal contact with have been both pleasant and respectful, however there are a signifcant number of idealistic youths who want to get their 40 virgins in Heaven.

My solution to this problem is the following and it may be considered draconian in the tree hugging, bean bag sitting, wooly jumper wearing, corners of our society but if anybody British citizen was found guilty or committed suicide for terrorist gain then all members of their extended family currently living in the UK (born here or not) would be repatriated to the country of immigration. The treat of their legacy being the loss of all assets in return for a plane ticket for their parents and siblings would maybe make them think twice.

I suspect some people may ask, what if they are of White Anglo Saxon heritage? So far except for that dick with the shoe bomb everyone associated has been of South Asian and Middle Eastern herritage. However somewhere like the Falklands or some Island off the West coast of Scotland could be provided :)

The problem is integration, establishing schools for a specific religeon breeds misunderstanding and a lack of knowledge of the culture of those other members of society. Believe me I know, I come from a particular part of the UK where religeon (between Christians) cause more arguments, fights and mistrust which is a stain on how we more forward here at home and how we are percieved abroad.

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Hey Slim, we are not talking about race here we are talking about religious persuasion. Islam is embraced by many races, so find a new bogey word to attack the critics of heavy duty islam.

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Jeeeezus that is such a laugh that it almost makes me cry. Afghanistan maybe, but Iraq never.

Can I just say it as it is (or as it will be) - - - - CIVIL WAR

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Hightened Security
 

A Hampshire Constabulary spokesman said there were no specific threats to any airport in the region, but as a precautionpolice patrols had been increased.

Dorset Police set up vehicle checkpoints on the approach to Bournemouth Airport and stepped up patrols at the ;) Compton Abbas ;) airfield near Shaftesbury in north Dorset.

No hand luggage on the Cessna 152 tomorrow!

They can not be certain that they've arrested every cell member, even if there was a 1% chance of a bomb still going off then those precautions were justified. Just imagine if a bomber had gotten away and had managed to detonate a bomb on board :(

Can I just say that I don't work for the airline industry, I'm just a pax, however I believe that the airlines have handled this very well and I just hope the airport staff didn't have to deal with too many irate people!

Scameron77

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Comment:
Dismissing those who may not agree with your proposal as "tree hugging, bean bag sitting, wooly jumper wearing, corners of our society" isn't conducive to sensible debate.

FL

Today has been nice and convenient for Bush and Blair!

they must be very pleased!

Hydrazine -- Yikes
 

According to the web article, hydrazine is a key ingredient.

Hydrazine is nasty stuff that would be a serious hazard to any home chemist.

Any vendor is rightly careful about who can buy it.

No way:mad: ...keep your filthy hands off Rockall:{

In my past life I was always warned about approaching a downed F16 for example, from the downwind side, due to the risk of Hidrazine contamination.

The chemical was apparently used in the self start system or similar.

I was advise thet one part in a thousand, contacting with the skin coud be "very harmful"

Flawed memory or complete delusion ???

I guess the car boot sales will be busy in the next few weeks,....numerous laptops, mps, cameras etc that just happen to fall out of luggage that was checked in....by the ammount of bags that regularly fall of badly loaded luggage trolleys at the airports and then get run over by the following lorries I guess the insurance companies will be getting a lot of claims...but then they will say you should not have put anyting valuble in the suitcase....so they wont pay out either....

Can't see why. This shows clearly that their War on Terror is a dangerous mistake. Too provocative and not aimed at the real target. Most of the al-Qaeda main figures are still at large. The real war on terror should be outside the eyes of the world by experts (al-Qaeda loves this current terror hype), case by case on a campaign base.

Now the panic button has been pressed I hope it won't turn out another "ricin" or "Toronto" claim that backfires.

Ahhh St Kilda. . .

Have you ever heard that beautiful haunting song by Dick Gaughan about Ewan Gilles, St Kilda and the Gold.

T'would bring tears tae a gless ee'

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Nothing flawed about yer memory; even a small trace of hydrazine is enough to throw the 'off' switch on your liver. Permanently.

R1

Thank goodness for that Ranger !!

Think I will celebrate with another chilled glass of my namesake !!

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There seems to be some confusion over the explosive mixture. Hydrazine would be used to make Astrolite.

Other reports say it was an acetone based explosive, which would be something like MEKP or TATP.

I'm quite sure you couldn't take out your vial of hydrazine on a plane and start mixing away, MEKP would probably incapicitate the mixer before he could finish formulating it on a plane, and TATP is explosive in its white chrystalline solid state.