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LTNman 4th Jul 2004 10:21

easyJet scrap weight limit on hand luggage
 
According to a report in the Sunday Times today, easyJet has removed all weight restrictions for carry-on luggage.

It has also increased the bag size restrictions to 55cm x 40cm x 20cm, to match BA Club World (previous restriction 45cm x 35cm x 20cm).


With no weight limits is safety being compromised?

jettesen 4th Jul 2004 10:31

Just beacause it is easyJet, there is no need to accuse it of safety bein comprimised. Several eurpoean airlines ( if not all) have no weight limit restrictions on handbaggage. However, they do have a size restriction. The bags will still be screened in the normal way, and if they do not fit in the overhead bin guages at check-in, they will not be classed as handbaggage. The passenger is also informed if they can not lift it into the overhead bins themselves, the bag will be removed to the hold.

By removing the wieght limit, there will be less problems on boarding as pax will not be trying to find places for 5 or 6 bags!!!

Think it is their best idea yet!

jammydonut 4th Jul 2004 10:41

Avoid any destinations for divers!
A 20 kilo weightbelt is a small volume.....

Avman 4th Jul 2004 11:50

Weight limits are OK if they are sensible in the first place (which leaves that [email protected] outfit RYR out). V Bird, for instance, allows 1 or 2 pieces of hand baggage with a total combined weight of 10 Kg and 1 or two pieces of checked baggage with a total combined weight of 20 Kg. I consider that a fair limit.

Mr Seatback 2 4th Jul 2004 12:01

I still think there needs to be a maximum weight for total handluggage brought aboard an aircraft.

Essentially, any piece of handluggage has the potential to become a missile during an accident, especially if the overhead lockers either spill out their contents or collapse. Combined with laws of physics, when speed, gravity and weight combine, the consequences can be almost lethal should something as innocent as a 10kg bag fall out onto someone's head, if not a child's!

Furthermore, overhead lockers on all aircraft (that I have worked on at least) have a maximum weight limit for each locker/bin section. What would be the consequences - from an engineering standpoint at least - of these lockers being constantly exposed to excessive weight?

Whilst I'm all for being flexible with hand luggage requirements, etc, I do believe there needs to be some measure of common sense applied.

A carrier I used to work for performed check in for a smaller, pacific airline. One day, a friend of mine was checking in a lady and, as per procedure, asked her to load her trolley bag onto the scales to see if they met requirements.

The bag weighed in at 40kg - and it wasn't big either (looks can be deceiving).

When she opened it, she discovered the lady was carrying several engine components to give to her brother in arrival to fix!

Food for thought!

jettesen 4th Jul 2004 12:28

As I said before, the bags will be monitored, and if they are too heavy to lift then they will be off loaded from the cabin and will be placed in the hold.

Memetic 4th Jul 2004 12:57

There is a stunt waiting to happen here, just to prove how ridculous this is.

Take one power lifter and a video camera on to an easyjet flight along with. One strong bag, filled with fine lead shot.

Assuming a volume of lead in the bag (packing density of lead spheres/ usable volume of bag etc.) of 50cm x 35cm x 15cm accoring to

http://www.allmeasures.com/Formulae/...20/density.htm

This bag would weigh approx 297kg

Assuming our power lifter can carry it and lift it into the overhead do you think anyone from easy jet managment would be happy to sit beneath it? I would not...

What would this do to weight and balance?

etrang 4th Jul 2004 13:04

"One day, a friend of mine was checking in a lady and, as per procedure, asked her to load her trolley bag onto the scales to see if they met requirements.

The bag weighed in at 40kg - and it wasn't big either (looks can be deceiving)."

It would be difficult to even lift that and put it in the o/h locker.

jettesen 4th Jul 2004 13:23

MEMETIC - get real! As if that is ever gonna happen. Don't you think that a few questions would have been asked at security search if he has a bag full of lead????

Engine overtemp 4th Jul 2004 13:35

Never have had my hand luggage weighed anyway so what's changed?

outofsynch 4th Jul 2004 14:57

I cant wait to see what eJ reaction will be when CAA get wind of all this, and add 5-10kg to pax standard weights.....

They WILL have to wont they?

Tower Ranger 4th Jul 2004 15:11

The reason behind the policy change is an attempt to reduce hold baggage to a minimum and help keep the turn around times down but it is bound to cost them a few quid in excess baggage charges.

hapzim 4th Jul 2004 15:44

All the CAA have to say is actual weight for pax and bags. Standard weights tend to under-estimate in western europe. May as well take out some seats as you won't be able to take the payload with normal seat density. More legroom for all and removes the complaints of being treated to conditions not allowed for the transport of livestock.

The beancounters will not like the idea though.

fimbles 4th Jul 2004 16:18

I doubt it's got owt to do with processing hold baggage, few less pieces aint gonna make a big time saving. It's a definate attempt to attract the business type with his overnight bag and lap top. These people dislike standing in line to collect their bags and will do their level best to get hand luggage only on board. Let them know that they will not be hassled over reasonable hand luggage and they may opt to book on your flights!
Joe public generally have no need to load up their hand luggage and those that abuse will have it tagged and stuck in the hold anyway.

Oshkosh George 4th Jul 2004 17:35

Engine overtemp

We had our hand baggage weighed on boarding Flybe at Southampton late last month.

jonathang 4th Jul 2004 18:02


Avman : (which leaves that [email protected] outfit RYR out)
Justify that comment.

Many airline's limit is 5kg, Ryanair's has just be increased from 7kg to 10kg

Jonathan

FlapsOne 4th Jul 2004 18:42

outofsynch

The CAA have been aware of this for some time and have been involved in the approval of the policy.

Avman 4th Jul 2004 19:51

Jonathang ,

RYR's sudden decision to increase their cabin baggage allowance to 10kg most probably came as a result of pressure brought upon them by the vastly superior allowances on other LCCs. However, their checked baggage remains at a very unrealistic 15 kgs. It might be in their interest to reconsider that too.

Departures Beckham 4th Jul 2004 20:58

Passenger Weights
 

I cant wait to see what eJ reaction will be when CAA get wind of all this, and add 5-10kg to pax standard weights.....
As from July 12th (when the new hand baggage 'restriction' comes into force), easyJet adult weights are being increased by 5kgs. Therefore the following weights will apply:

Male = 93kgs
Female = 75kgs
Children = 35kgs
Infants = Nil

jonathang 4th Jul 2004 22:05


RYR's sudden decision to increase their cabin baggage allowance to 10kg most probably came as a result of pressure brought upon them by the vastly superior allowances on other LCCs. However, their checked baggage remains at a very unrealistic 15 kgs. It might be in their interest to reconsider that too.
Vastly Superior, name LCC with hand luggage allowances over 7kg. Except easyJet and Ryanair there are few.

5kg - 7kg is fairly standard for hand luggage.

15kg-20kg is not a realistic figure I agree however it's what you are paying for when you buy your ticket.

The assumed weights for baggage pieces for mass and balance purposes are between 11kg-13kg. Just because you as a passenger would like to take 30kg's in the hold. This does not mean the aircraft or the airline is capable of taking this.

Hence the restriction and the extra cost if you do choose to take extra. There has to be something to discourage extra weight on aircraft.

Imagine 189 passenger take 30kg in the hold of a Ryanair flight

Actual Weight: 189 * 30 = 5670 kg
Assumed Weight: 189 * 13 = 2547 kg

If the aircraft departs at Maximum Take-off Weight (MTOW).

Aircraft is actually going to land 3123kg over-weight

For that extra weight to stay legal you have to trade other payload (revenue), extra passengers (revenue), ferry fuel (revenue).

Who pays for that? The passenger taking that weight, all fair in my opinion.


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