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Will we always be wearing masks on aircraft now?

Old 2nd Oct 2021, 19:43
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I would say - Yes, for at least five years. There may be changes in infection rates and other factors but, as BFM says, it is all about @rse covering by the airlines. MANY corporates will be doing the same. Whether it is simply masks or requiring vaccination, it will be take it or leave it. I have yet to do my first long haul in a mask but I will.
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 20:08
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Many COVID measures are by and large about liability avoidance on part of those in charge. Just because, you know, if someone gets sick, their lawyer might decide that the local government, the airline, the company management or whoever else didn't perform their duty of care and that's why poor chap got infected. That's why I think that the very earliest we can talk about ditching the masks on board is whenever the WHO declares that the pandemic is over. That's the best-case scenario. In a less optimistic scenario, nothing will change in our lifetimes, not to the least because there are communicable diseases other than COVID which can hypothetically be passed on an aircraft.
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 20:49
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Originally Posted by PENKO View Post
Most people dont mind. I travel both for work and leasure. Planes are full. People wear masks. Id argue that more people would be uncomfortable top travel without masks.
I tend to agree; its not actually that troublesome. I get to some its uncomfortable....but such is much of the modern air travel experience, particularly on long haul

Also, for years I'd more often than not suffer with some lurgy or other after one of my regular SA-UK-SA longhauls, so probably makes a bit of sense anyway......
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 21:08
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Masks not required anymore where I live, and haven't been for around half a year. What a relief.

I came to think of many Asians who for years before covid wore masks in all kinds of places and are probably used to wearing them for a longer time. I was in Reykjavk, Iceland in December 2019, strolling down the main street, and passed a group of 6 - 8 what too me seemed Japanese tourists, all wearing masks ! Outdoors, in sub-zero temperature, breathing the world's cleanest air !
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 21:35
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Originally Posted by MarcK View Post
You can be mask free... you just can't fly.
Well, that's rather off topic.

In most countries, you can be mask free, you just can't go to the restaurant, the movies, the theater, you can't go buy groceries, you can't walk outside in many cities, etc..

At some point we will have to say no if we ever want to live maskfree gain.
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 21:48
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Originally Posted by PilotLZ View Post
Many COVID measures are by and large about liability avoidance on part of those in charge.
At least in the USA, wearing masks in the airport and on aircraft is a federal government mandate. The airlines currently have no voice in the matter.
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 01:57
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Originally Posted by PENKO View Post
Most people don’t mind. I travel both for work and leasure. Planes are full. People wear masks. I’d argue that more people would be uncomfortable top travel without masks.
If you take the data points of the London Underground where you have to wear a mask and min 10% don't, (on my last few times in town) then I think that to say "most people don't mind" is not correct. I can't imagine long haul leisure wearing a face mask. And planes are full because capacity is on the floor here in the UK.

I wonder if next summer might see easing of such rules on UK domestics. The other hopeful point is the FAA mask mandate is time limited and likely won't be renewed before that much longer.
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 06:41
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I think that what little value there is to wearing masks on aircraft is to be so small as to be pointless in comparison to how much of a nuisance it is for some people, along with the waste in terms of having to manufacture and dispose of all these masks.

I have flown quite a few times during the pandemic for work, always long haul. In my experience, although everyone boards the aircraft with a mask, people look for every opportunity to not wear them. I do observe some people who are very strict with their face masks, but the majority of people are taking very long periods of time to consume drinks, meals and snacks (and not wearing their mask in the process), many people are not wearing the mask over both nose and mouth (usually the nose is uncovered), and quite a few people remove them when they go to sleep (or have them half off again). It is difficult for me to imagine how much benefit we are actually getting from this, other than some kind of backside covering exercise, or maybe it is to make some people 'feel' safe.

For me, I hope the mandate is removed ASAP. I already find the experience of flying makes it much more a chore, and wouldn't travel if it wasn't for the fact I am required to for my employment. I definitely won't be travelling for leisure until this rule is relaxed.
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 09:36
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
At least in the USA, wearing masks in the airport and on aircraft is a federal government mandate. The airlines currently have no voice in the matter.
Any federal mandate is still a political decision which involves lots of the proverbial lower back covering. Would the government like to be seen as the one to blame if the rules were relaxed and the situation deteriorated?
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 13:34
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I seem to recall that sometime last year (?) people were saying something like, it's OK, cabin ventilation is excellent, air replaced many times a minute, each seat has your own air vent, minimal risk of catching Covid during a flight. Did I dream that?
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 13:56
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Since retirement I travelled regularly by air for leisure and always in Business Class for long haul. My last flights were in October 2019. Although I miss travel and flying very much I have no desire to do so whilst these various draconian regulations apply. Talking to friends I know I'm not the only one thinking like this. The airlines are missing out on billions of potential revenue as a result of government mandates (which is basically put in place to protect those who choose not to be vaccinated).
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 18:09
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Well, I am in the camp with KayPam - masks will stay forever, since most of the people either do not care to protest or even feel safer withing confines of that 'COVID-theatre'.

I was flying transatlantic in a business class couple of times a year before COVID. SInce I feel incomfortable after 30 minutes in public transportation wearing mask, I do not plan to fly for as long as mask mandates would be in place.

I understand airlines do not care about my opinion, but on the other hand I do not plan to give them my money anytime soon.
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 19:26
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Sholayo, To be fair I think that the airlines DO care about your opinion, but they are not mandating these rules. The only thing they can do is get together and challenge those who are responsible for imposing them.
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Old 3rd Oct 2021, 21:50
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You dont have to wear the mask whilst drinking or eating so just drink! I just found out I was wearing my mask backwards. I thought blue side in, white side out. But was told by a medic thats wrong?
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 01:09
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Having flown between the US coasts a number of times this year, it has become routine with masks. Wearing a mask is considerate of others and protective of myself, and I have no problem with it whatsoever.

I actually double mask with a proper N95 under a nicely fitted cloth over-ear, and I don't eat or drink on the plane. The flight is actually the easy part - layovers and delays at the airport when unable to get fresh air really suck.

A few airports have outdoor terraces and it's much nicer to be there eating and drinking takeout and lounging than in the crowded club. If masks stick around forever I hope building outdoor areas on the secure side become a priority for airports, particularly the clubs.
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 14:16
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As soon as any airline announces they would not enforce a mask policy I would only fly with that airline even if it cost me double or triple.
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 15:04
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As a slight aside: once most of the general population has been vaccinated, surely only those who have not or otherwise feel vulnerable would need to wear masks? I know that a vaccinated person can still spread Covid, but surely that is a very good reason for all to be vaccinated ?

The anti-vaccers, (sp?), cannot expect the rest of us vaccinated souls to wear masks for ever just to protect them.
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 16:08
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Even if you're vaccinated you can still catch, and transmit, Covid – you just don't get it as seriously as if you weren't vaccinated – especially the 'Delta variant' which is now everywhere.
The Possibility of COVID-19 after Vaccination: Breakthrough Infections

Remember also that some people are advised not to be vaccinated, eg those with severe allergic reactions or people with certain autoimmune conditions.
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 16:17
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The safety provided by a vaccine is unfortunately not binary. It triggers a response in most people, not all. Vaccines aim primarily to reduce the number of deaths, and then the number who become seriously ill. I don't know of any vaccine that can prevent replication of a virus in the body of a person who picked up an infection, and can thus transmit to other people

We simply don't have the fabled magic weapon that the press sometimes like to portray - we have only something that is pretty good, not 100% perfection. There will inevitably be a need to add other layers of defence to protect a population as a whole
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 19:39
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Originally Posted by Uplinker View Post
once most of the general population has been vaccinated, surely only those who have not or otherwise feel vulnerable would need to wear masks?
A mask is not worn primarily to protect you from others, but to protect others (particularly the vulnerable) from you.
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