Flying out of UK in current restrictions
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Unfortuntely for all those travelling in the next 48 hours, it will take much of that time for countries to decide, then to annouce and then for airlines to respond.
Yesterday it was stated that LHR was in Tier 3, today is is stated to be in Tier 4.
Yesterday it was stated that LHR was in Tier 3, today is is stated to be in Tier 4.
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Airlines and Airports waiting to be told what to do by Govt. so that it's not their fault, which is understandable.
Uruguay, Namibia and the US Virgin Islands have been removed from the UK government’s list of travel corridors.
All arrivals into the UK from these three destinations will now be subject to mandatory quarantine.
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps tweeted: “From 4am Saturday 19 December, if you arrive into the UK from these destinations you will need to self-isolate.”
All arrivals into the UK from these three destinations will now be subject to mandatory quarantine.
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps tweeted: “From 4am Saturday 19 December, if you arrive into the UK from these destinations you will need to self-isolate.”
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Update from LHR on Monday 21st.
- My friend learnt late Sunday night that Austria would close border to UK on Monday 24:00
- Her routing is LHR-VIE-CPT with Austrian/LH Group.
- On early arrival at T2, Security were placed between the car park and the Departures floor.
- They had a list of which flights were operating and only letting in the pax for those.
- I looked up her originating from VIE and could see that it had just left and told the security staff of that.
- Went back to the car.
- She found only self-check desks open but got through airside no probs.
- Changed in VIE and is now over Africa.
- Expect this to be VERY different on Tuesday.
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I should like to ask of any who have travelled out of the UK by any airport, in 2021: Were there any screening of your Passport? Other than being asked by airport and airline staff to ensure you had the document, was there a Border Force inspection desk? Was the passport scanned?
I flew from Manchester last week-end. The only physical check of the passport was by the airline check-in staff, as is usual. There was no Border Force inspection desk for departure, as usual. Of course the airline may pass such details to Border Force.
I am not sure what point TimGriff6 is making.
I am not sure what point TimGriff6 is making.
These days, when you make a booking, you also enter your passport details at some point in the process. When you get to the airport the check in process (be it manual or automated) also scans the passport. That information then goes down a range of electronic pipes to a range of government agencies both here and at destination.
In the case of the USA (for instance) the flight cannot depart until an electronic clearance has been recieved from the USA. It also explains why you no longer have to give up the tear off bit of the entry form becuase they check you out of the country electronically.
I'll leave it up to you to guess what other countries (including the UK) do.
In the case of the USA (for instance) the flight cannot depart until an electronic clearance has been recieved from the USA. It also explains why you no longer have to give up the tear off bit of the entry form becuase they check you out of the country electronically.
I'll leave it up to you to guess what other countries (including the UK) do.
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Thanks folks. I was trying to ascertain if the outgoing border was being actively monitored. It seems as if the govt have taken the cheap and easy option of relying on the airlines to do the data collection for them.
why change the habits of a lifetime?
the UK hasn't monitored people leaving properly in over 30 years
the UK hasn't monitored people leaving properly in over 30 years
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Exactly my reason for asking! It is a problem that long predates the 'secure our borders' people. If you do not know who has left - you do not know who has not left. All those years of complaining that people were over staying their visa - yet they saved the money on staffing and admin, making it easy for people to overstay. But then, in my employment over the last 43 years I was paid to solve problems.
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As a Kiwi, I know that New Zealand checks people in and out electronically.
Not so long ago I had to prove my travels. No problem, just email the ministry
and back comes a list of entry and exit dates. I do not believe that the UK does,
or could do that.
Not so long ago I had to prove my travels. No problem, just email the ministry
and back comes a list of entry and exit dates. I do not believe that the UK does,
or could do that.
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To save yet another thread: this is about Flying IN to the UK.
New quarantine rules expected for travellers to UK
Measure would be an ‘effective closure of our borders’, the airline industry says
Boris Johnson is expected to sign off sweeping new quarantine rules for travellers in airport hotels on Tuesday as cabinet ministers rebuffed pressure from Tory MPs to set out a timetable for the easing of lockdown.
In what Downing Street said was a more cautious approach since England’s third lockdown, a No 10 source said: “We don’t ever want to unlock anything if we have to lock it again.” It may mean coronavirus travel curbs and other restrictions remaining in place for months.
The hotel quarantine measure, which government sources said may take “weeks rather than days” to implement, would be an “effective closure of our borders”, the airline industry said.
Ten-day stays are expected to cost upwards of £1,000 for each traveller. Some countries, which imposed similar regimes from March last year, charge many thousands for accommodation, board and security, with occupants confined to their rooms, including for exercise.
The Guardian
New quarantine rules expected for travellers to UK
Measure would be an ‘effective closure of our borders’, the airline industry says
Boris Johnson is expected to sign off sweeping new quarantine rules for travellers in airport hotels on Tuesday as cabinet ministers rebuffed pressure from Tory MPs to set out a timetable for the easing of lockdown.
In what Downing Street said was a more cautious approach since England’s third lockdown, a No 10 source said: “We don’t ever want to unlock anything if we have to lock it again.” It may mean coronavirus travel curbs and other restrictions remaining in place for months.
The hotel quarantine measure, which government sources said may take “weeks rather than days” to implement, would be an “effective closure of our borders”, the airline industry said.
Ten-day stays are expected to cost upwards of £1,000 for each traveller. Some countries, which imposed similar regimes from March last year, charge many thousands for accommodation, board and security, with occupants confined to their rooms, including for exercise.
The Guardian
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I thought the latest idea was to impose it only for high-risk countries. I know others have done the whole 14 days, but some for of early test and release system would surely be better?
I know a case was found in NZ the other day where the person had completed their 14-day isolation, tested negative 3 times, and then still, in the end, had covid. That is very much an outlier though.
I know a case was found in NZ the other day where the person had completed their 14-day isolation, tested negative 3 times, and then still, in the end, had covid. That is very much an outlier though.
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It seems that they will start by imposing this ban on Africa and South America, due to new variants. That will give them time to get the system operating. Then add other countries. How long it will take to get things started is to be seen. Hopefully, they have already prepared a specification for this (but I would not bet on it!) and sounded out airport hotels but, many of those hotels were mothballed and it may take a couple of weeks to get staff back, food and supplies, security - if the lower floors have fully opening windows they cannot use those rooms and so forth.
They will do this and I would expect the restrictions to be in place for at least three months.
They will do this and I would expect the restrictions to be in place for at least three months.
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Outbound on Monday to the rest of the world so will let you know if I am asked the purpose of my visit. On that point I have stayed in a number of hotels while touring various UK construction projects and buildings over the last 4 weeks and was only asked in one by a young receptionist what was the purpose of my stay (Premier Inn Tolworth take a bow for last night). Back North later today and then Germany Monday, then Far East later in the week hopefully (more Covid test !!!!), with one of our younger female structural engineers. It will be funny to see if I get asked if we are going on holiday (very flattering for me, but no doubt not so for her).
Cheers
Mr Mac
Outbound on Monday to the rest of the world so will let you know if I am asked the purpose of my visit. On that point I have stayed in a number of hotels while touring various UK construction projects and buildings over the last 4 weeks and was only asked in one by a young receptionist what was the purpose of my stay (Premier Inn Tolworth take a bow for last night). Back North later today and then Germany Monday, then Far East later in the week hopefully (more Covid test !!!!), with one of our younger female structural engineers. It will be funny to see if I get asked if we are going on holiday (very flattering for me, but no doubt not so for her).
Cheers
Mr Mac
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This was an inevitability:
Europol warns against fake Covid certificates
Coronavirus Global Update Europol says criminals are selling fake negative Covid test certificates, allowing people to avoid travel bans.
Talking of Covid tests ... friends of mine had their test for travel on 19th December. One hour later - Boris reversed the promises he had made and they could not travel to be with his family for Christmas. Does anyone know of any insurance covering this cost (taken before hand of course) or any action open? My guess is the govt say 'tough luck' but it is a few hundred pounds to people saving for their first house.
Europol warns against fake Covid certificates
Coronavirus Global Update Europol says criminals are selling fake negative Covid test certificates, allowing people to avoid travel bans.
Talking of Covid tests ... friends of mine had their test for travel on 19th December. One hour later - Boris reversed the promises he had made and they could not travel to be with his family for Christmas. Does anyone know of any insurance covering this cost (taken before hand of course) or any action open? My guess is the govt say 'tough luck' but it is a few hundred pounds to people saving for their first house.
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Outbound on Monday to the rest of the world so will let you know if I am asked the purpose of my visit. On that point I have stayed in a number of hotels while touring various UK construction projects and buildings over the last 4 weeks and was only asked in one by a young receptionist what was the purpose of my stay (Premier Inn Tolworth take a bow for last night). Back North later today and then Germany Monday, then Far East later in the week hopefully (more Covid test !!!!), with one of our younger female structural engineers. It will be funny to see if I get asked if we are going on holiday (very flattering for me, but no doubt not so for her).
Cheers
Mr Mac
Outbound on Monday to the rest of the world so will let you know if I am asked the purpose of my visit. On that point I have stayed in a number of hotels while touring various UK construction projects and buildings over the last 4 weeks and was only asked in one by a young receptionist what was the purpose of my stay (Premier Inn Tolworth take a bow for last night). Back North later today and then Germany Monday, then Far East later in the week hopefully (more Covid test !!!!), with one of our younger female structural engineers. It will be funny to see if I get asked if we are going on holiday (very flattering for me, but no doubt not so for her).
Cheers
Mr Mac
I was asked how much hard currency I was taking out of the UK which was something I do not recall ever being asked before. I seem to remember way back in the early 70,s or late 60,s having to declare what money you were taking out, indeed I seem to remember it being written in your Passport at the time if I am correct. Nothing what so ever on Covid.
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