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Old 4th Aug 2002, 09:31
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West Yorkshire police last night charged a 39 year old man under the aviation act for smoking on board a flight from Las Palmas to Leeds/Bradford airport.

Police were called to the aircraft after the pilots reported some passengers were getting abusive after being told not to smoke.

No reports out yet on which airline or aircraft.

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Old 4th Aug 2002, 12:47
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good to see !

If a pax starts smoking it the cabin of an aircraft when i,m in charge then they get ONE chance to put it out before i call the police.

If they smoke in the toilet then the police are called to arrest them without further discusison.

In my opinion smoking in the cabin is a nusance to other pax but smoking in the toilet is a danger to the aircraft and so the law should show no mercy to people who do it.
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Question

How many warnings to these terries need? They are reminded/told when they board that the flight is non-smoking. Which part do they have trouble understanding? Probably the most expensive smoke this guy will ever have!
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I agree to supporting no smoking on aircraft and in other public places.
But what precisely is the 'danger' of smoking an an aeroplane toilet?
I think we should be told.
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The danger of Smoking in the Aircraft Toilet is that some passengers put the Butt in the bin, which then catch's Fire leading to Aircraft Fire and possable Aircraft loss ect, and please dont say that pasengers wouldn't do it they do !!!!
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Good to see these idiots get what they deserve.
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JAF con has answerd your question but I would add that at least one aircraft has been lossed due to an in flight fire that started in a toilet.

It is my understanding that this was the cause of a forced landing by a Varig Boeing 707 short of one of the paris airports some years back ,the aircraft burnt out and a number of the pax died.

Now I think you will understand why in my book smoking in the toilet gets an instant arrest and I hope a short jail term.
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It is my understanding that this was the cause of a forced landing by a Varig Boeing 707 short of one of the paris airports some years back ,the aircraft burnt out and a number of the pax died.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1973/730711-0.htm
116 out of 117 passengers perished. 10 crew survived, something upon which I will not comment.

Although cause of the fire was never established, the source was identified as the 'washbasin unit'. The above report states the crew were unable to locate the fire prior to the crash. While a discarded cigarette is a possibility, that was not the definitive conclusion.

To separate fact from folklore, no airliner loss has ever been attributed to careless smoking. There have been a number of unexplained in-flight fires (notably a Viscount in Maryland), any one of which might have been started by a cigarette. Or any one of a number of different causes.

Yes, I smoke. If you wish to flame me for that reason, feel free. I do not smoke in airplanes or anywhere else prohibited by law. Whatever one's feelings on the subject, it ought to be possible to express them free from emotion or hysteria.
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Old 4th Aug 2002, 18:50
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thanks for the link to the Varig accident it shows why I take toilet fires so seriosly and the number one cause of them is cigaretts digarded in the bin with all the paper towels.

As to smoking , as an adult it is your right to smoke if you wish and I will support that right as long as it is exercised responsably.
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OOI were pilots and cabin crew once allowed to smoke "in air" when the great public had the right? Did it have to be on a break or could the captain have a quick drag whilst en route ?

Does anyone still offering smoking flights ? For PAX. I'm glad i've not been on one - must have been horrid.

A Non-smoker asks.
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Once was a pax on a BA Flight LHR to DUX.
Passengers were told not to smoke after several were caught having crafty fags on the floor behind their seats.
They were then caught smoking in the toilet. The steward was furious. Ten minutes later there was a report of a fire in the toilet from somebody droping a cig into the toilet bin.
There was uproar on the flight, with several pax walking around the cabin looking for the culprit. There was almost a lynching. I was scared witless for the remainder of the flight.
There were no arrests at Dubai, I have my own thoughts as to why that was.
I made a formal complaint, recieved no reply, I havent flown BA since.
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Lets have a complete ban on alcohol on all flights.

Lets see how many people like that.

Just a suggestion.
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Substitute Let's for Lets
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to iuto
yes garuda do out of lgw/fra/ams to bkk and beyond and i guess on their domestic flts aswell
can/t imagine what its like down the back with that lot for 10 odd hours

another non smoker
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Lets have a complete ban on alcohol on all flights.
Wouldn't catch me complaining. Had one flight with several pissed up ******s making a nuisance of themselves - to the point I felt my personal safety was at risk, never mind that of the entire aircraft. Cabin crew did nothing, and even continued to serve drinks.

I won't say which low cost airline it was for fear of being accused of being part of a slagging campaign.
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Perhaps an on-board brethalyser is the answer, set an arbitary limit and enforce.
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Old 5th Aug 2002, 09:51
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Mike Jenvey suggests that A380 could offer a 'smoking room'. Whilst I agree that monitored is better than hidden and dedicated air extracts would allow this, there is a differernt problem.

When someone has just finished a cigarette, the smell clings to them with a more than usually pungent odour. For example, at a train station - smokers on the platform having a few extra puffs to stoke up with their drug and then, drop the butt and get on board. When they sit next to me, I find it nauseating as the smell is soo bad.

All I need is that to happen when aloft
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Old 5th Aug 2002, 10:20
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1. Wasn't there a DC-9 a few years back went in after half the tail burnt off due to a fire getting in the space between a loo and the a/c skin? Not sure if it came from a bin fire or maybe an electrical short in the loo wiring but either way, it highlights the dangers of fire in such an area.

2. Didn't AF have 'smokers' bars' on their L/H a/c a few years back? I last flew L/H with them on a 744 & they had an area curtained off - thick curtains, extractor fans...
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I also flew L/H with Air France. Smoking area in a galley on 744. Controlled area for us smokers. Exc idea and Safe.
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I think Olympic still allow smoking certainly a couple of years back I was returning from Ahtens on an Oly jumpseat and it was almost part of the after t/o checks " flaps?...up. gear?... up and off fags?... lit.

As a smoker, I have no problem with non-smoking flights thems ther rules and that's the way it is - I do have a problem with airports that make no provision for smokers - (ie most of em in the US) which at least gives you the chance to boost the old nic level prior to a 8-12 hour flight
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