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How about a fine/prison for taking luggage down the slide?

Old 12th Aug 2016, 03:40
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Thanks for posting PF but, the overpaid marketing child who thought that one up fails on so many levels. The first is that, anyone using a hearing aid - will not hear a single word of the voice, as the music will swamp the device.

So, if my brother, or one of my closest friends, were travelling on the flight - they would have to read the document carefully. Happily, they are both experienced travellers. Whilst I would be able to hear it all, the dammed music is sooooo irritating, that I would want to block my ears.
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Old 13th Aug 2016, 15:34
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My local airline's safety demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIzUnVlkaHg
My point exactly. Why would I ever actually pay attention to any one of those flight attendants when they're telling me to leave my things behind and leave the aircraft when I saw them earlier in the day dancing to Lady Gaga?

This is what most of those passengers must be thinking: Apparently this is fun, not serious, and they don't actually mean it because if it was really serious, they'd tell us without the dance.
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 15:52
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Simply impound the carried off luggage long term as "potentially significant to the coming accident investigation" as it was about to be spirited away from the scene. Luggage that remains on board is not under suspicion of being spirited away to confuse the investigation so can be forwarded asap.

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Old 15th Aug 2016, 16:51
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Not a good idea at all...............if I might say so, Wageslave. What happens if there is some thing important in that luggage which the passenger requires? The passenger has just been through a traumatic experience and then you want to make it difficult for him/her to reclaim their luggage which just happens to be their property... Besides which the passenger maybe unwilling to hand it over. A less than sensible idea, I would submit......


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For whose benefit, may I ask ???

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Old 15th Aug 2016, 17:36
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The problem wageslave is that the luggage that remains on board is usually reduced to ashes. And we saw that in the BA incident, which didn't have a fire, it took days to reunite the passengers with their belongings.

As the airlines refuse liability of damage or loss of valuables in both carry-on and in the hold they are as much to blame. As I mentioned a few pages back the Warsaw/Montreal regimes do not allow the airlines to refuse liability, but they do. Meaning you need a high priced lawyer just to get compensated for a proven loss that you are entitled to.

Took a couple of flights in last week on a well known, and well respected 'legacy' airline. Safety briefing did not mention not taking carry-on - I listened carefully for it. The 'briefing card' had a picture of a hand holding a briefcase (from the '50s'?) with an X through it. Not sure if too many people would understand what it was suggesting. From that I'd assume a handbag would be OK to take but according to some on this thread that is forbidden.
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 14:01
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I can't believe any of you are concerned about "inconvenience" to pax who deliberately and wilfully hazard the lives of fellow travellers by their selfishness.

Arrest the bastards then and charge them with reckless endangerment. A week in a cell and a $5000 fine will give them time to reflect on hazarding other peoples' lives and the furore in the meeja will impress it on others.

Public punishment is the only deterrent until we have locking bins.

Simplest is to do as I said and confiscate the bags as material evidence, a perfectly reasonable stance as they are clearly removing stuff from an investigation scene. Why should they avoid the inconvenience of lost luggage when they risked others' lives to achieve it?

Oh, and post their mugshots and names on the front page of the papers too.
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 14:38
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Originally Posted by Wageslave
Simplest is to do as I said and confiscate the bags as material evidence, a perfectly reasonable stance as they are clearly removing stuff from an investigation scene.
Are they removing themselves from an investigation scene when they evacuate?
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 18:23
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Originally Posted by Wageslave
Arrest the bastards then and charge them with reckless endangerment. A week in a cell and a $5000 fine will give them time to reflect on hazarding other peoples' lives and the furore in the meeja will impress it on others. .
These folk have just suffered the trauma of being in an accident and you want to further traumatise them by putting them in a cell and fining them a large amount of money which they may not have.

Surely it is far more important to reunite the passengers and their baggage with their nearest and dearest. Well if I had been involved any form of accident that is what I would want the transport company, police and other authorities to do for me...... Never mind thinking about putting me in a cell or parting me from my hard eared money.........

Simplest is to do as I said and confiscate the bags as material evidence, a perfectly reasonable stance as they are clearly removing stuff from an investigation scene. Why should they avoid the inconvenience of lost luggage when they risked others' lives to achieve it?
By doing that there seems to a fair chance baggage could become lost. That seems to happen when everything is operating normally never mind when there has been an "incident"..... Not quite sure what would be learned from the passengers bags. Seems to me, wageslave, you just wish to be vindictive for not real good reason.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 03:49
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Wageslave,

You've obviously never been at the scene of an aircraft accident. The very last thing anyone wants is a group of people trying to stop the flow of passengers outside the aircraft. What you are suggesting will simply slow an evacuation at a different point - it may even stop it completely. It has a very serious counter possibility of those same passengers now spending more time on board the aircraft trying to hide their baggage from an airport authority. So instead of them getting off with their baggage they become the very ashes ExXB referred.

Also, if you think public punishment will answer the question for us, why has a similar tactic not worked for murder, rape, theft, etc.? Hell, people know that a child porn conviction will get you shanked in prison, yet people get charged for that every day.

The simple answer is that there is no simple answer. This is a result of the marketing people of the world trying to demonstrate that flying is so low risk that when it becomes extreme risk, people don't know how to react.

Locking bins wont work either as there are too many flow on consequences from that during normal line operations to make it a worthy fix.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 07:21
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Is "taking the bags with you" a really new phenomenon or we are just being aware because of the availability or easy recording?
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 08:00
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Originally Posted by Rwy in Sight
Is "taking the bags with you" a really new phenomenon or we are just being aware because of the availability or easy recording?
Aircraft evacuations have been taking place for as long as they have been carrying passengers, and the ability to take cabin baggage on board is nothing new.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 22:48
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The only solution is no bags. Anything less (or is it more?) becomes complicated.

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Old 18th Aug 2016, 05:30
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The problems with punitive actions after an evacuation are manyfold. Someone, presumably with the airline, would have to make positive the identification of the offenders and record the violation.
So taking the recent Birdseed incident in Las Vegas, but let's suggest such an incident were to occur in such a country as Nigeria, whereas most of the passengers would have been British committing an offence in a foreign land.

Any subsequent international legal action simply wouldn't work.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 20:00
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Cabin crew press a button & the overhead "lockers" LOCK.
Would that work ?
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 21:22
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The problems of locking lockers has been answered much earlier in this thread and in previous threads on this identical topic.
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Old 25th Aug 2016, 14:02
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OK, let me throw out this idea . . .

In an emergency, leave luggage in the overhead bin. (Phase in electric locks on the bin doors that stay locked in an emergency.)

Let the passenger take the personal item under the seat in an emergency. It's probably soft, small, can contain the passport and other important documents, money. That relieves the passport concern. Near zero time added to evacuation.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 08:57
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OK, let me throw out an idea.

Let's stop worrying about what some passengers do. If this really was an issue the Regulators (starting with ICAO) would be doing something about it. The airlines would be reviewing their safety briefings (which they don't appear to be doing) and making suitable amendments.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 12:05
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Good! Now we can rest easy in the safe and secure knowledge that our overhead locker baggage is more important than the lives of the passengers behind us.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 13:56
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Basil,
Show me one case where someone's life has been lost as a result? Just one.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 14:00
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