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How about a fine/prison for taking luggage down the slide?

Old 18th Aug 2016, 21:22
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The problems of locking lockers has been answered much earlier in this thread and in previous threads on this identical topic.
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Old 25th Aug 2016, 14:02
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OK, let me throw out this idea . . .

In an emergency, leave luggage in the overhead bin. (Phase in electric locks on the bin doors that stay locked in an emergency.)

Let the passenger take the personal item under the seat in an emergency. It's probably soft, small, can contain the passport and other important documents, money. That relieves the passport concern. Near zero time added to evacuation.
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 08:57
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OK, let me throw out an idea.

Let's stop worrying about what some passengers do. If this really was an issue the Regulators (starting with ICAO) would be doing something about it. The airlines would be reviewing their safety briefings (which they don't appear to be doing) and making suitable amendments.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 13:56
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Basil,
Show me one case where someone's life has been lost as a result? Just one.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 14:00
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Manchester.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 14:33
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do away with cabin baggage altogether and issue a standard size bag(smallish)to each passenger at check in and say this is all you are allowed to take on board,please put any personal items you want in the cabin in here.Make it an international requirement.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 14:59
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Not a bad idea, oldpax. But every international agreement requires the USA to agree. The USA is 100% biased in it's own favour. Just like every other country.

Over the last 25 years, we have seen international airline agreements get thrown to the dogs. So I expect that nothing will change. If, one day, it can be categorically proved that:
  • enough pax
  • on enough planes
  • in enough crashes
  • have died because of hand luggage carried by others ...
Then regulations will change.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 15:19
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Do away with cabin baggage altogether and issue a standard size bag(smallish)to each passenger at check in and say this is all you are allowed to take on board, please put any personal items you want in the cabin in here. Make it an international requirement.
That seems a strange thing to want to do. Most passengers will already have a perfectly serviceable bag available at home which they will pack there. If you want to issue them with a new bag at the airport what do they use to take their belongings to the airport? The selection of suitable travelling bags is a personal choice, they may not like the style you have selected for them: different travellers will have different requirements. Regular travellers will end up with many they bags they have no use for. Good news for bag makers, bad news for the environment. Does not seem a very well thought out plan..... Just seems away of putting up costs for no real benefit..... Can guess who will end up paying for the bags !!!


Think it much better to leave travellers to select their own bag/luggage.....seems to have worked well over the years.

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Old 28th Aug 2016, 18:16
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Planemike, it wouldn't be much different than the small plastic "evidence" bag for liquids. Once a traveler has acquire the first such bag, he/she can refuse further bags until it is worn out and it can be used to "to take their belongings to the airport".

I still think it is a difficult issue - particularly when one comes out of the airport having left everything behind and facing issues with the authorities.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 20:38
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Manchester? I believe that was debunked earlier on this thread, or on the other ones in R&Ns.

Requiring pax to check valuables requires the airlines to assume liability for their safekeeping. As they are either unable, or unwilling, (both actually)to do so means I won't.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 21:33
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Originally Posted by ExXB View Post
OK, let me throw out an idea.

Let's stop worrying about what some passengers do. If this really was an issue the Regulators (starting with ICAO) would be doing something about it. The airlines would be reviewing their safety briefings (which they don't appear to be doing) and making suitable amendments.
Indeed. In fact here's a though - how about we stop the pilots crashing the planes in the first place, and then the problem will never arise...



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Old 28th Aug 2016, 21:48
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British Airtours flight 28M :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...urs_Flight_28M


and the AAIB Report regarding the same :

https://assets.publishing.service.go...988_G-BGJL.pdf

Obviously, thirty years ago the amount of cabin baggage hadn't reached the ridiculous quantities now seen as normal on some flights.

However, the report doesn't mention carry-on bags, nor of any evacuation delays caused by passengers with such. Of the total 31 Safety Recommendations (page 171 onwards) it is clear that amongst other things, the seat-pitch at overwing exits definitely was a factor. It's perhaps noteworthy that having remedied that with more "generous" emergency-exit spacing, airlines now sell those seats to higher-bidding fare payers - obviously providing they're fit and able!


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Old 28th Aug 2016, 22:21
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I think that every country has laws dealing with acts that endanger the life of others. It's up to police and justice to apply these.
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Old 1st Sep 2016, 05:50
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Planemike,what do you need in a cabin with in flight entertainment?Apart from people who need medicines during a flight all other pax are usually sleeping (wish I could!)or reading a book.Some of the cabin luggage looks just like people have packed their hold baggage to avoid 20 mins at a carouselOops forgot those exec types that need to look at a laptop pretending to do something important!!So ok a laptop satchel and a small bag then?
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Old 1st Sep 2016, 07:27
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Manchester? I believe that was debunked earlier on this thread, or on the other ones in R&Ns.
Yes, post #11 in this thread.

We've obviously reached the point (normally only after several hundred posts) where contributors feel free to chip in without bothering to read what has already been discussed.
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Old 1st Sep 2016, 12:43
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However, Manchester is not irrelevant and should not be easily dismissed. Thirty years ago it wasn't common practice for airlines to charge those passengers - probably the majority - who didn't want to take a suitcase into the aircraft cabin. Indeed, taking this further, perhaps it was actually a lack of carry-on bags that allowed many at Manchester to escape with their lives.

Nowadays, airlines financially penalise passengers who wish to take even a mid-size suitcase. Cause and effect: in turn, that's now become a primary cause of the current large quantities of carry-on bags, because monetary benefits will apply. Thus the airlines themselves actively encourage more cabin baggage.

Admittedly this doesn't answer the thread's "fine/prison" question, although I consider both of those alternatives to be unrealistic and impractical.

It's obviously very fortunate that unlike flight 028M, recent events haven't involved the loss of passenger/crew lives. However, bearing in mind "the tombstone imperative", I fear it will take another Manchester before authorities review the current-day actualities.
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Old 1st Sep 2016, 17:51
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Perhaps the regulators are aware there is no evidence to suggest that some passengers taking their cabin baggage increases the risk of death or injury to other passengers.

I agree that it 'just feels right' that passengers shouldn't do so, but they do and will continue to do so, regardless of threats of fine/prison. Perhaps the regulators should focus on that reality and act accordingly.
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Old 8th Sep 2016, 21:31
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Oldpax,

people will carry the valuable items that airlines strongly suggest are not put in the hold - laptops, tablets, photographic gear. mobile phones etc. Not that these are often used in flight but there is no way I would check any of those items into the hold.
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