LHR ~ PER = 18 hrs, says Qantas
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Oh I don't know.. I did a 19h30 flight with Singapore Airlines on their all-business A340-500 from Newark to Singapore, and it was a fine experience..
You just have to take off your watch, eat when you're hungry, sleep when your body wants to, and have plenty of reading material.
Of course, doing it in an economy seat would have sucked a bit...
You just have to take off your watch, eat when you're hungry, sleep when your body wants to, and have plenty of reading material.
Of course, doing it in an economy seat would have sucked a bit...
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Same, Qantas have rocks in their head if they think anyone from the Eastern states would prefer a 17+ hour flight from Perth, over one stopping at Singapore or Dubai with a maximum of 14 odd hours in the air, and a decent break, rather that a quick transfer in Perth.
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Qantas will start the nonstop PER-LHR route in March 2017
The 14,498 kilometre service will be the first regular passenger service to directly link Australia with Europe when it begins in March 2018.
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Oh god I couldn't think of anything worse... just glad I am retired.
Probably not to bad if you are in F or J, horrendous down the back. Awful for the crew.
I for one much prefer to stop off for a day on the way going down under.
In my flying days I had a couple of deaths on Aussie routes, lots of older folk visiting relatives, sitting cramped for hour after hour. Can't imagine what a flight that long would be like
Probably not to bad if you are in F or J, horrendous down the back. Awful for the crew.
I for one much prefer to stop off for a day on the way going down under.
In my flying days I had a couple of deaths on Aussie routes, lots of older folk visiting relatives, sitting cramped for hour after hour. Can't imagine what a flight that long would be like
Regardless of the comfort for those in economy, will the numbers really stack up and will it actually be profitable ? The fuel needed to carry the fuel such a long way does not come cheap and Australia's white collar business capital is not Perth. I just can't see any particular merit of Perth vetsus changing planes in any of the existing hubs in the middle and far east, so Qantas won't be able to achieve much of a fare premium via Perth on the London-Sydney route
I suppose Emirates or Etihad (but not Qatar) could launch Santiago de Chile or Lima or Guayaquil if they want to reclaim their title in the "mine's bigger than yours" competition
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The direct will probably save you a couple of hours over a stopper
That will be attractive to some passengers and I'd guess overall you'll burn less fuel than adding an extra landing & t/o so it's good for the airline
As ever it all depends on pricing - there are probably enough passengers flying London-Perth and v/v each day to fill a 787
But you won't get any connecting traffic from S & E Australia as it's 4-6 hours flight time to Perth plus a connection - much faster via DXB or SIN
That will be attractive to some passengers and I'd guess overall you'll burn less fuel than adding an extra landing & t/o so it's good for the airline
As ever it all depends on pricing - there are probably enough passengers flying London-Perth and v/v each day to fill a 787
But you won't get any connecting traffic from S & E Australia as it's 4-6 hours flight time to Perth plus a connection - much faster via DXB or SIN
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Ultra long range flights are the future and there will be more and more as suitable aircraft are available. But a Perth to London routing is a joke, considering the location ( Perth ). Sydney - London would be the right choice.
Regarding Perth, which is located in the middle ( at the edge ) of nowhere, I doubt there is any local demand.
Regarding Perth, which is located in the middle ( at the edge ) of nowhere, I doubt there is any local demand.
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Routing between UK and eastern Oz one has to stop somewhere and an hour or few in such places as BKK and SIN are wasted whereas during a stop/connection in PER at least one can clear Oz customs & immigration thus arriving at their final destination as a domestic passenger able to clear their ultimate destination airport significantly quicker.
When I travelled to/from Oz on business many years ago it was 1 hour in BKK, then 2 hours in SYD before onwards to MEL, as we reached the hotel bar some of our aircrew workmates were trying to tempt me with a beer but I was too zombie-fied even for a beer.
By comparison I've done 14 hours, in economy, MNL to AMS, I was a smoker at the time but it was OK and once one has been airborne for that length of time another 3 hours ain't all that.
So would I prefer LHR/BKK/SYD/MEL (2 transit stops) or would I prefer LHR/PER/MEL (1 transit stop)? ... I'll take the latter option thanks!
When I travelled to/from Oz on business many years ago it was 1 hour in BKK, then 2 hours in SYD before onwards to MEL, as we reached the hotel bar some of our aircrew workmates were trying to tempt me with a beer but I was too zombie-fied even for a beer.
By comparison I've done 14 hours, in economy, MNL to AMS, I was a smoker at the time but it was OK and once one has been airborne for that length of time another 3 hours ain't all that.
So would I prefer LHR/BKK/SYD/MEL (2 transit stops) or would I prefer LHR/PER/MEL (1 transit stop)? ... I'll take the latter option thanks!
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That will be attractive to some passengers and I'd guess overall you'll burn less fuel than adding an extra landing & t/o so it's good for the airline
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That will be attractive to some passengers and I'd guess overall you'll burn less fuel than adding an extra landing & t/o so it's good for the airline
Once we acquired DC10-30's services operated direct but with the extra tankering of fuel it would have been cheaper to continue tech stopping in BGR ... But punters preferred direct services.
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another 3 hours ain't all that bad
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another 3 hours ain't all that bad
Part of Alan Joyce's plans for his historic game changing route is administering injections of local anesthetic into the buttocks of Economy PAX at the departure gate.
I flew 14 hours non stop as a smoker, had that been a 17 hour leg and had the operator offered me a choice to stop after 14 hours, take a one hour break before continuing for the last three hours I'd have responded "Let's carry on, let's get it over and done with" and I'm pretty damn sure that much of the travelling public would have responded likewise.
A 787 isn't that many seats to fill, and the lure of a direct flight will one suspects lure some folks away from a stop in the UAE.
Last time I went this way was on a BA 744, via SIN, where half the pax got off (and very few got on), which can't have been very economical either (although I accept it probably wouldn't be on a 74' now).
It's a long slog for sure, but once you get to 13-14hrs, a few more is neither here nor there IMHO.
Last time I went this way was on a BA 744, via SIN, where half the pax got off (and very few got on), which can't have been very economical either (although I accept it probably wouldn't be on a 74' now).
It's a long slog for sure, but once you get to 13-14hrs, a few more is neither here nor there IMHO.
Indeed. I did Heathrow – Jakarta non-stop earlier this year, a 13h 45min flight. In economy. I don’t claim to have felt 100% at the end of the flight, but nor did I feel particularly bad. I could have put up with another 3 hours, no problem.