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Old 3rd Oct 2015, 02:28
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Passengers who book a window seat are presumably wanting to look out the window, as in other respects the window seat has disadvantages. So there are presumably statistics that can be used to give a preliminary indication of how many customers will be unhappy with any policy to restrict outside view, even if a proper passenger survey is not carried out.
Window seat and ability to look out window are of overriding importance to me.
Even over ocean can look for other aircraft, or shipping.
It is important to consider other passengers, and as suggested using a blanket to avoid too much light on sleeping cabin is a good idea.
The ability to be allowed to look out window is a prime determinant of choosing airline and aircraft for me.
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Old 3rd Oct 2015, 08:04
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The ability to be allowed to look out window is a prime determinant of choosing airline and aircraft for me.
Well don't book on United then. Not a 787 but on a recent 10 am departure from London they had served food and had all the window blinds shut by 1200 UK time and they stayed shut until about 30 mins before landing. Any transgressors were aggressively told off by the few cabin crew who were not snoozing off their night out in London.
Daytime crossing of the high atlantic in good weather can be stunning, plastic window trims and crap IFE is not.
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Old 3rd Oct 2015, 08:29
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Not a 787 but on a recent 10 am departure from London they had served food and had all the window blinds shut by 1200 UK time and they stayed shut until about 30 mins before landing. Any transgressors were aggressively told off by the few cabin crew who were not snoozing off their night out in London
Same experience on UA 767 LHR to Chicago. (Probably the smallest IFE screen I've ever seen too!)
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The A350 will be even worser; old-school solid window shades, but motorised and controllable by the cabin crew. With those closed you can't even see the glow of the Sun.

I do wonder if the designers of these aircraft ever fly in them as passengers.

Edit: apparently two shades per window, one semi-opaque and one hard-plastic totally-opaque.
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Old 6th Oct 2015, 05:01
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Passenger windows are a waste of money. Airplanes would be cheaper and lighter without them. External video camera channels could be available to passengers who want to see outside.
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Old 6th Oct 2015, 05:15
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Niallo,
Spend much time as SLF, do you?
Do you even know what aircraft you're on?
No, I didn't think so.

This creeping idea that cabin staff or others can determine what I can see and when I can see it is, I'm afraid, a bit over the top.

When I'm down the back of the tin tube, I also like to see what's going on.
Call me old-fashioned, or even weird, if you like.


p.s. An image from a fin-mounted camera would be good, though.

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Old 6th Oct 2015, 06:27
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An image from a fin-mounted camera would be good, though.
TG A380 IFE has this - I assume others too?
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Old 6th Oct 2015, 14:11
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Originally Posted by Daysleeper View Post
Well don't book on United then. Not a 787 but on a recent 10 am departure from London they had served food and had all the window blinds shut by 1200 UK time and they stayed shut until about 30 mins before landing. Any transgressors were aggressively told off by the few cabin crew who were not snoozing off their night out in London.
Daytime crossing of the high atlantic in good weather can be stunning, plastic window trims and crap IFE is not.
This has happened to me once, on a flight DXB-PEK with the A380 about 2 years ago.

We left DXB at 4am or somesuch. By the time we were in the cruise, over the Himalayas, it was absolutely clear and what a stunning view from 35,000Ft! This is something I had wanted to see. It is specifically why I got a seat on that side of the aircraft. The crew had other ideas and I was told off and accused of waking up my fellow passengers (who not only had eyeshades on but both of them, elderly Chinese ladies, had thick, dark scarves draped over their faces too. I continued to look out, but draped my jacket over my head and closed the blind half way...still the crew weren't happy with me. I mean come on! I am not one to refuse reasonable crew orders, but it really did spoil my flight and this was nothing but pure spite. I had no intention of sleeping on the flight, I was disturbing no one and I really didn't see the need to demand this when half the cabin was wide awake too. Even if the cabin was sound asleep, I took responsibility and met them half way by preventing the light from escaping to the cabin as best I could, but I was just met with total hostility!
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Old 6th Oct 2015, 16:43
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"Niallo,
Spend much time as SLF, do you?
Do you even know what aircraft you're on?"

No, I don't usually know what aircraft I'm on. Does it matter? They're all much the same.

Anyway why would anyone want to look out the windows in flight. There's nothing to see.
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Troll.... methinks!!!
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Yeah, he'd have to be, Planemike.

I've said it before and I'll say it again..
An aircraft is a mode of conveyance - not a 24 hour dormitory for those who, at whim, would like it it to be.
I keep reasonable hours and seek not to interfere with the amenity of others.

Now, if someone feels like a kip in the middle of the day then fine - go for it.
Eyeshades, earplugs, blanket - whatever works for you.
Just don't demand that I adopt your out-of-whack circadian rhythm to accommodate your selfish desires.

If I find myself confronted by cabin staff strongly 'requesting' that I close my window blind for no better reason than
someone in the cabin wanting to sleep at 11 in the morning, then the in-flight entertainment could turn 'live'.
Plastic planes, plastic food and now, plastic cabin staff - what next?

End of rant.

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Old 7th Oct 2015, 18:05
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I am using United to fly LHR - IAH - LHR on a regular basis. I have been on UA96 three times now. The first flight the pax were unable to adjust the windows until 30 mins prior to landing. The other two flights I was able to adjust the windows as I pleased from the get go.
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Old 7th Oct 2015, 18:41
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Interesting Ainippe. Perhaps some customer feed-back worked?

Slight thread drift but it's about windows:
I'm currently trying to sort a problem for next year. Booked on a flight that would take us past some scenic views in daylight and booked left hand side for that. Now carrier has to change our flight as the Premium Economy will not be available on the flight we chose (due to problems on their side). The alternatives take us past the pretty scenery at night and so I have to find a way around this as the view was a key factor in booking the original time. Fortunately, the 380 has old style windows.
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