IATA Wants to Shrink Carry-On Bag Size
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IATA Wants to Shrink Carry-On Bag Size
The recommendation, by the International Air Transport Association, suggests an optimal carry-on size of 21.5 inches in height, 13.5 inches wide and 7.5 inches deep. That’s smaller than the maximum size allowed by many airlines. For instance, American, Delta and United Airlines all allow bags up to 22 inches by 14 inches by 9 inches.
This is the IATA press release. "Perfect-size" carry-on bag?
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/ai...170853020.html
This is the IATA press release. "Perfect-size" carry-on bag?
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/ai...170853020.html
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IATA Wants to Shrink Carry-On Bag Size
You may be interested to learn this is part of a bigger "idea" for IATA to license bag manufacturers for bags that conform with the new standard and provide some form of IATA certified logo on the bag that will.... Wait for it.. Guarantee the bag can be carried onboard the flight.
IATA gets new revenue stream, bag manufacturers sell loads of new carry-on certified bags and we end up with the need to replace our carry-on luggage that no longer conforms to the "standard"..
Apart from the obvious business opportunity, this is in part a response to the unintended consequence of densing up aircraft to the point where the carry-on baggage storage bins can no longer accomodate the carry-on allowance of every passenger on an aircraft.
IATA gets new revenue stream, bag manufacturers sell loads of new carry-on certified bags and we end up with the need to replace our carry-on luggage that no longer conforms to the "standard"..
Apart from the obvious business opportunity, this is in part a response to the unintended consequence of densing up aircraft to the point where the carry-on baggage storage bins can no longer accomodate the carry-on allowance of every passenger on an aircraft.
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Without playing devil's advocate too much, how many people stick to the regulations printed on their tickets?
I see all too often people coming in with a large stroller, a shoulder bag and at least one large bag of duty free, and refusing to store any of that in the space under the seat in front.
I see all too often people coming in with a large stroller, a shoulder bag and at least one large bag of duty free, and refusing to store any of that in the space under the seat in front.
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Agreed Hotel Tango. We have all seen folks on the same flight with Minimum. Standard and Ridiculous cabin bags. For the most part, ground agents have realised the abuse they get if they stop them and cabin crew know that to stop them will delay departure. Naturally, pax know this.
Last year, departing BOD, I had put my duty free into the hand case and had my small laptop bag outside - to make for easy access onboard. I was told (politely) that the laptop had to be inside the hand case.
So I reversed the two and carried the duty free bag on. Before I sat down, I reversed themn again. I know the rules BUT watching others with a single bag OUTSIDE the reg that is NOT tested but waved through??? That's highly irritating...
Last year, departing BOD, I had put my duty free into the hand case and had my small laptop bag outside - to make for easy access onboard. I was told (politely) that the laptop had to be inside the hand case.
So I reversed the two and carried the duty free bag on. Before I sat down, I reversed themn again. I know the rules BUT watching others with a single bag OUTSIDE the reg that is NOT tested but waved through??? That's highly irritating...
If this goes through I will be exceedingly pi**ed off.
My relatively expensive case was bought to the specific BA allowable on board spec. To the centimeter!!
As Swissflyer says, this is just about money for IATA and the bag makers. Customers can just f.o.
My relatively expensive case was bought to the specific BA allowable on board spec. To the centimeter!!
As Swissflyer says, this is just about money for IATA and the bag makers. Customers can just f.o.
It's just not realistic to continue stories about IATA making money on this to enrich themselves.
IATA is made up of members that have to abide by laws of their states and collusion is frowned upon by enough of them that no group could possibly benefit directly monetarily,
In the end it's up to voluntary compliance with this suggestion so voice your objections by choosing your carrier as you do today.
What the carriers are hoping is that the passengers will rush to buy new bags fitting the new suggested sizes. If enough of you don't fall for this, the carriers will have to subcome and come up with other alternatives to charge you for carry-ons according to what the market will bear (some pay, others don't)
IATA is made up of members that have to abide by laws of their states and collusion is frowned upon by enough of them that no group could possibly benefit directly monetarily,
In the end it's up to voluntary compliance with this suggestion so voice your objections by choosing your carrier as you do today.
What the carriers are hoping is that the passengers will rush to buy new bags fitting the new suggested sizes. If enough of you don't fall for this, the carriers will have to subcome and come up with other alternatives to charge you for carry-ons according to what the market will bear (some pay, others don't)
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As Swissflyer says, this is just about money for IATA and the bag makers. Customers can just f.o.
It's just not realistic to continue stories about IATA making money on this to enrich themselves.
IATA getting a trademark on the "IATA OK BAG" logo.
IATA licensing said logo to manufacturers
IATA receiving an upfront payment and/or ongoing royalties for said license
In the end it's up to voluntary compliance with this suggestion so voice your objections by choosing your carrier as you do today.
Personally, I find it quite ironic that the IATA mission statement says :
Advocating for the interests of airlines across the globe, we challenge unreasonable rules and charges
I see the IATA has a regional office in Florida, are you sure you don't work there lomapaseo ?
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IATA no longer charges membership dues to its airline members. They make their money by selling products and services. Although technically 'not-for-profit' that principle does not extend to its senior management who receive large bonuses on top of their large salaries and benefits.
They constantly need to come up with new money making schemes. What used to be free or at cost (to members) is a thing of the past. Their Dangerous Goods Manual costs a bomb (pun intended) but every office on the planet that sells cargo has to have an up to date one to hand.
This appears to be yet another attempt to separate money from the punters, via bag manufacturers.
But don't be mistaken, they are a trade association of the airlines. They don't give a stuff for the airline's customers; you and me.
They constantly need to come up with new money making schemes. What used to be free or at cost (to members) is a thing of the past. Their Dangerous Goods Manual costs a bomb (pun intended) but every office on the planet that sells cargo has to have an up to date one to hand.
This appears to be yet another attempt to separate money from the punters, via bag manufacturers.
But don't be mistaken, they are a trade association of the airlines. They don't give a stuff for the airline's customers; you and me.
I see the IATA has a regional office in Florida, are you sure you don't work there lomapaseo ?
I stand by what I said. IATA can charge airlines what they want, after all it's like dues. If IATA were to go outside of the their charter with the airlines than big brothers from all the countries would step in and slap them down.
I await any move by IATA in this way before I will move and alert the regulators in my country.
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To be honest it's not the size of bags that's the issue. It's people who expect there to be space for their bag, their handbag, their coat and their purchases from the terminal. Trying to explain that there's physically not enough room for 186 to fit everything up there falls on deaf ears and nobody will put anything under their feet as they want the leg space for their 40 minute domestic hop and winter GVA flights are carnage as they're ALWAYS full and people have bulky ski gear with them. The introduction of coat hooks on seats doesn't seem to have helped neither as people still want them in the overhead.
Look at a major airline's guaranteed bag (if your bag was below X size it was guaranteed to fly in the cabin) which was a complete failure and they have abandoned it as the guaranteed part only worked if you would put it under the seat, which nobody would. It didn't help that the press at the time were pushing stories about how they had reduced the size of allowable baggage in the cabin, which was not true. You get people who will happily sit there watching other people's bags being offloaded whilst their bag is in the overhead when it can easily fit under the seat.
Bring on charging for the over head a la Spirit/Allegiant/WIZZ. There is clearly strong demand for the overheads so charging for them seems the next logical step.
Look at a major airline's guaranteed bag (if your bag was below X size it was guaranteed to fly in the cabin) which was a complete failure and they have abandoned it as the guaranteed part only worked if you would put it under the seat, which nobody would. It didn't help that the press at the time were pushing stories about how they had reduced the size of allowable baggage in the cabin, which was not true. You get people who will happily sit there watching other people's bags being offloaded whilst their bag is in the overhead when it can easily fit under the seat.
Bring on charging for the over head a la Spirit/Allegiant/WIZZ. There is clearly strong demand for the overheads so charging for them seems the next logical step.
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Naturally, no one is suggesting that IATA are friends of Sepp ... 
IATA no longer charges membership dues to its airline members. They make their money by selling products and services. Although technically 'not-for-profit' that principle does not extend to its senior management who receive large bonuses on top of their large salaries and benefits.
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You're going to need to get a new suitcase - UK - News - The Independent
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Spot on mixture. 
The IATA represents 260 major scheduled carriers, currently accounting for 83 per cent of air traffic.
So far eight major airlines, including Emirates, Lufthansa and Qatar, have announced they will be implementing the new "best size" dimensions of of 55 x 35 x 20 cm. This is 21 per cent smaller than the average dimensions of major American airliners, American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines, according to the Washington Post.
So far eight major airlines, including Emirates, Lufthansa and Qatar, have announced they will be implementing the new "best size" dimensions of of 55 x 35 x 20 cm. This is 21 per cent smaller than the average dimensions of major American airliners, American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines, according to the Washington Post.
Lets see, I'm guessing its going to go down the normal commercial route of ...
IATA getting a trademark on the "IATA OK BAG" logo.
IATA getting a trademark on the "IATA OK BAG" logo.
Airliners have been working with IATA to design baggage that can be labelled “Cabin OK”. This means all cabin baggage will fit into a cabin on a plane with 120 passengers.
We wouldn't have a problem if airlines applied consistent and robust enforcement of current regs.....
(I find it highly amusing that Lufthansa was one of the first to jump on the bandwagon and is currently actively marketing its own branded line of Rimowa trollies. Larger than the proposed IATA standard...)
(I find it highly amusing that Lufthansa was one of the first to jump on the bandwagon and is currently actively marketing its own branded line of Rimowa trollies. Larger than the proposed IATA standard...)
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I'm no legal eagle but I question the legality of changing these rules overnight without a fair and adequate period of notice. As a Miles & More FF, I recently purchased a cabin bag from the Lufthansa shop which boasted it met their (and most airlines') maximum cabin baggage dimensions. Although it fits snugly in even the smallest commuter aircraft, my bag now technically fails to meet one of those new "IATA" dimensions by 6cm. I therefore wonder if they could face litigation by a determined and organised group of their own disgruntled frequent flyers?
I'm no legal eagle but I question the legality of changing these rules overnight without a fair and adequate period of notice.
The airlines can do what they want. I'm sure that the airline that sold it to you will compensate you somehow on a pro-rated basis. Consider this the beginning of your period of notice. tick tick tick.
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for those who fly with an American airline here's a list of the size and wieght limits by airline Carry On Luggage Rules: Weight and Size Requirements
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Two things ...
The IATA standard is the same, or less in all three dimensions, than what airlines allow today. If you have a bag to their standard you should have no issue with any airline that your bag may be too big. But you are giving up volume.
Some airlines (AC, WS) have already said they wont reduce their sizes to the IATA standard.
Second, and I've only seen this on a video clip on IATA's site. The OK label looks like it is part of the bag, and, has a unique code on it. Apparently if you register the code you can be reconciled with a lost bag much easier. Of course these are carry-on bags and very few of those are ever lost. Wonder if the bag manufacturers will do same with checked bags.
http://www.iata.org/pressroom/pr/Pag...-06-09-02.aspx
The IATA standard is the same, or less in all three dimensions, than what airlines allow today. If you have a bag to their standard you should have no issue with any airline that your bag may be too big. But you are giving up volume.
Some airlines (AC, WS) have already said they wont reduce their sizes to the IATA standard.
Second, and I've only seen this on a video clip on IATA's site. The OK label looks like it is part of the bag, and, has a unique code on it. Apparently if you register the code you can be reconciled with a lost bag much easier. Of course these are carry-on bags and very few of those are ever lost. Wonder if the bag manufacturers will do same with checked bags.
http://www.iata.org/pressroom/pr/Pag...-06-09-02.aspx