Christmas Chaos LGW
It's been reported that the CAA are going to look into whether LGW could have responded better. So I guess we may be able to read their report next Christmas......
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Aaaaarrrggh. Not another blóòdy investigation??
Govt is now only about investigating what went wrong and nothing about preventing it happening in the first place - or happening again. Investigations are 99% just PR. Another smug report by people who don't contribute.
Govt is now only about investigating what went wrong and nothing about preventing it happening in the first place - or happening again. Investigations are 99% just PR. Another smug report by people who don't contribute.
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Allow me to save the c'ttee some time:
Oh and my fee for the report? A mere 69 days of investigation, admin support, expenses to visit the site and get in the way of hard working constituents working for their holidays. Modesty forbids me from publishing my humble fees in this public forum.
(PAXboy is available for consultation and chairing of govt committees, especially those about which he knows nothing. Which rules him out from aviation has he knows a little about it.)
- In 2013, the UK had a damp summer, a wet winter and a wet December, with two periods of high levels of rain and storm.
- The ground had become saturated so that any more rain would simply run off and cause flooding.
- It rained.
- It flooded.
- Due to the location of LGW on a flood plain - it got flooded.
- The electricity staff (supply and LGW staff) all worked through their Xmas break to get things back to normal.
- Everyone pulled their weight.
- A few Pax bitched (wot's new?)
- The tabloids said silly things (wot's new?)
- The problem could have been prevented if the Govt of 1952 that decided on the aiport's development and placing had foreseen:
> The big change to our climate
> The big development of the airport
> The big demand for electricity
> That they were building on a flood plain. - Could anything have been done to prevent it? No.
- Could it happen again? Yes.
- Can we prevent it happening again? Yes.
- How much £££? A lot and the pax would have to pay.
- "My hardworking family constituents need their holidays and cannot be expected to pay more money for splugle blarph..."
- Report Conclusion: Lessons have been learned.
Oh and my fee for the report? A mere 69 days of investigation, admin support, expenses to visit the site and get in the way of hard working constituents working for their holidays. Modesty forbids me from publishing my humble fees in this public forum.
(PAXboy is available for consultation and chairing of govt committees, especially those about which he knows nothing. Which rules him out from aviation has he knows a little about it.)
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Ah TWT, thanks, the first draft of the report fell foul to the Year 2014 Millennium bug ... (known by the code name 'cider')
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It's worth noting that "do nothing" can be a perfectly valid contingency plan. If the cost of preparation exceeds the cost of the expected number of incidents then it makes business sense not to bother.
Of course, this is a gross simplification and can be biased either way by how wide-ranging you make your cost base in order to get the answer you want.
Of course, this is a gross simplification and can be biased either way by how wide-ranging you make your cost base in order to get the answer you want.
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TWT That's the advantage of my superb admin staff and why my fees need to be so high to ensure I have the very best support to get me to bed after too much cider. 
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Munnyspinner said "Pax boy, if you're so good..."
Perhaps it is time for some to read H.G. Frankfurt's essay "On Bull****" and then look inwards and perhaps next year we won't be wading in it knee deep.
This excerpt I find descriptive.
"The bull****ter may not deceive us, or even intend to do so, either about the facts or about what he takes the facts to be. What he does necessarily attempt to deceive us about is his enterprise. His only indispensably distinctive characteristic is that in a certain way he misrepresents what he is up to.
This is the crux of the distinction between him and the liar. Both he and the liar represent themselves falsely as endeavoring to communicate the truth. The success of each depends upon deceiving us about that. But the fact about himself that the liar hides is that he is attempting to lead us away from a correct apprehension of reality; we are not to know that he wants us to believe something he supposes to be false. The fact about himself that the bull****ter hides, on the other hand, is that the truth-values of his statements are of no central interest to him; what we are not to understand is that his intention is neither to report the truth nor co conceal it. This does not mean that his speech is anarchically impulsive, but that the motive guiding and controlling it is unconcerned with how the things about which he speaks truly are.
It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bull**** requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bull****ter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose".
Perhaps it is time for some to read H.G. Frankfurt's essay "On Bull****" and then look inwards and perhaps next year we won't be wading in it knee deep.
This excerpt I find descriptive.
"The bull****ter may not deceive us, or even intend to do so, either about the facts or about what he takes the facts to be. What he does necessarily attempt to deceive us about is his enterprise. His only indispensably distinctive characteristic is that in a certain way he misrepresents what he is up to.
This is the crux of the distinction between him and the liar. Both he and the liar represent themselves falsely as endeavoring to communicate the truth. The success of each depends upon deceiving us about that. But the fact about himself that the liar hides is that he is attempting to lead us away from a correct apprehension of reality; we are not to know that he wants us to believe something he supposes to be false. The fact about himself that the bull****ter hides, on the other hand, is that the truth-values of his statements are of no central interest to him; what we are not to understand is that his intention is neither to report the truth nor co conceal it. This does not mean that his speech is anarchically impulsive, but that the motive guiding and controlling it is unconcerned with how the things about which he speaks truly are.
It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bull**** requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bull****ter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose".
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Broadly, One Outsider, yes. Except for:
Ask any psychopath how to lie, or even an old fashioned con man. They know what they are saying is a lie but they know out to make it sound like the truth.
I agree that the bul****ter thinks they know the truth and others have convinced themselves that they know the truth. Many politicians and CEOs are in the first category, special people like Tony Blair fit into the second.
It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth.
I agree that the bul****ter thinks they know the truth and others have convinced themselves that they know the truth. Many politicians and CEOs are in the first category, special people like Tony Blair fit into the second.
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Well, the airport here does have it's own power station. Don't know what it can supply but it's something for an emergency and you power up the essentials, not everything, in emergencies.
It never fails, when there is a major problem at airports, on roads, railroads etc., the contingency planners, emergency teams, back-up protocols all fail miserably. In fact that is the one thing that can be counted on. It seems that every emergency is like it's the first emergency in history for the amount of competency that is demonstrated in handling the situation. Every single time the main complaint is that the customers were not told anything and staff disappeared. Every single time.
It never fails, when there is a major problem at airports, on roads, railroads etc., the contingency planners, emergency teams, back-up protocols all fail miserably. In fact that is the one thing that can be counted on. It seems that every emergency is like it's the first emergency in history for the amount of competency that is demonstrated in handling the situation. Every single time the main complaint is that the customers were not told anything and staff disappeared. Every single time.
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I have no idea if this company were involved in the supplies around LGW but I post as a point of general interest. Nothing that you read in the article will surprise you at all ... 
Exclusive: £1bn profit but not enough staff to keep the lights on: Company blamed for Christmas blackout mismanaged holiday rota and paid chief executive £1.7m salary - Business News - Business - The Independent
Exclusive: £1bn profit but not enough staff to keep the lights on: Company blamed for Christmas blackout mismanaged holiday rota and paid chief executive £1.7m salary - Business News - Business - The Independent
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Christmas Chaos LGW
Beeb are reporting today that LGW north terminal back up generators are in fact below ground level in the basement- which was flooded before the mains LX went off line. PAXboy - was this your design? Resilience - indeed.