security pat down
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security pat down
Was surprised to see a male doing pat downs on women at Oslo.
Not seen it at any other airport and what are the consequences of refusing and asking for a female to carry it out?
Obviously i wouldn't mind a woman giving me a good old frisk but i would certainly object if i was going through with my girlfriend and a male started a pat down on her.
Not seen it at any other airport and what are the consequences of refusing and asking for a female to carry it out?
Obviously i wouldn't mind a woman giving me a good old frisk but i would certainly object if i was going through with my girlfriend and a male started a pat down on her.
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Just for interest, do you forbid her to speak for herself in such circumstances, or does she prefer you to speak up on her behalf while she remains suitably self-effacing in the background?
It may well be the case that she wouldn't mind a man giving her a good old frisk; after all, you wouldn't mind a woman giving you a good old frisk.
Would she object on your behalf if a woman gave you a good old frisk?
Of course, if you have to object on her behalf simply because she is actually incapable of speech, or because she has no mind with which to generate an objection or express it, then I apologise unreservedly for suggesting otherwise.
Are you sure it was a male doing the pat-down? You were in Oslo, after all, and the women there can be quite scary.
It may well be the case that she wouldn't mind a man giving her a good old frisk; after all, you wouldn't mind a woman giving you a good old frisk.
Would she object on your behalf if a woman gave you a good old frisk?
Of course, if you have to object on her behalf simply because she is actually incapable of speech, or because she has no mind with which to generate an objection or express it, then I apologise unreservedly for suggesting otherwise.
Are you sure it was a male doing the pat-down? You were in Oslo, after all, and the women there can be quite scary.
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well glad you could see the humour involved, wasted on you.
so whats your opinion on what i posted then, you think its correct or not,, as i said not seen anywhere else do it.
so whats your opinion on what i posted then, you think its correct or not,, as i said not seen anywhere else do it.
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I can't see a problem. What is the situation if a male is carrying out a pat down and you are gay? Does he ask for a woman? And visa versa for a lesbian? I think perhaps it's time that you dragged yourself into the twenty first century.
i asking a question not discussing my views on it
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On a similar(ish) sort of note my 8 year old grandson triggered the alarm and required a pat down at DUS recently. His mum was still waiting to get through but I was with him. The security guy waved me on but I told him that I would observe (this from a distance of about 3 meters) whilst he performs his pat down. He again told me to move on and I again told him, sternly this time, that I would observe his pat down of my grandson - and if he didn't like it he was welcome to ask for a police officer to come over. Nothing more was said. I have no problem with security pat downs etc., however, for the benefit of ALL concerned security staff should not object to being observed by the parent/guardian/adult responsible for the child concerned.
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Obviously i wouldn't mind a woman giving me a good old frisk but i would certainly object if i was going through with my girlfriend and a male started a pat down on her.
We're in the 21st century, how would you feel if you asked for a female to pat down your girlfriend and she was allocated a lesbian security officer ? A gay officer then proceeds to pat you down.
Look, its simple. You're at an airport, the people there have been heavily security vetted, the pat down is happening in a public area (unless you request differently) and there are CCTV cameras everywhere. Do you honestly think anyone is going to take advantage of that situation when there's enough evidence and witnesses around to allow the boss to be judge, jury and executioner in relation to the offending security officer without fear of retribution ?
so why is this the only airport i've seen do it, seems to be a reason why others dont do it.
I was travelling through Christchurch (NZ) recently and they were doing mixed-sex pat downs then too. Neither male or female passengers complained, and nobody was raped.
Pat downs need to happen for security reasons. Its a right pain in places like Heathrow when you get large queues forming because you have to wait for a same-sex officer to become available before you can walk through the metal detector because they are currently busy on a pat down on the previous same-sex person who set off the detector .... the security flow would be much quicker if mixed-sex pat downs were permitted.
I am not sure if it fits here or on Jetblast but I am always in favor to be searched by a lady particularly if the search is going to be intrusive.
As a matter of fact a few years back in AMS I felt really uncomfortable because of the way the male security guard was going the research.
As a matter of fact a few years back in AMS I felt really uncomfortable because of the way the male security guard was going the research.
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I thought this thread was about a nasty accident involving Postman Pat's cousin, Security Pat.
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What always amuses me when I'm 'randomly selected' for more checks is that I've been through far more serious vetting by Western governments than the people who want to search me. If I'm up to no good, a lot of people are going to look really bad for passing me.
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I don't care re the gender of the Patter but , if selected as a Pattee , I always get hauled away as I have a permanent bladder drain (don't ask) which is readily discernible by touch in the thigh area of my strides.This inevitably involves the removal of said strides in a private area and this has been done in the presence of both males & females who tend to examine the apparatus with a mixture of puzzlement & amusement. Do I care ? I do not . As this happens quite regularly, the Mehm Sahib goes through "security" first so she can watch our gear on the conveyor belt when the inevitable happens and I disappear trying to look innocent in front of the assembled multitudes.
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Only with prudes is gender the problem. In Scandinavia this procedure is common and makes a great deal of sense. In the UK we have the problem because of our pathetic, out-dated set of Victorian sexual values. Our system means that a raving queen or biker boy who gets a kick out of a patdown can perform it but a balanced, heterosexual lady is prevented from doing so.
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Hotel Tango your experience is interesting. In direct contrast, my son (then aged 4) was randomly selected at a UK airport (I think Heathrow) and the guy doing the pat down was emphatic that I stand and observe (it hadn't occurred to me to pay particular attention - perhaps I'm just too trusting!).
Actually, though, that must be the sensible approach - both from the point of view of protecting the child, and preventing any unfounded allegations being made against the security guy at a later date.
Actually, though, that must be the sensible approach - both from the point of view of protecting the child, and preventing any unfounded allegations being made against the security guy at a later date.
