Seat survey: 2/3 of pax never recline
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 1 Dunghill Mansions, Putney
Posts: 1,797
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
Seat survey: 2/3 of pax never recline
Calling time on reclined airline seats
Skyscanner Thursday, 3 October 2013
Skyscanner Thursday, 3 October 2013
A massive 9 out of 10 travellers want to see an end to reclining seats on planes, according to our latest international survey.
91% of people who took part in our survey said short-haul flights should either ban or set times for seat reclining. We also found that of over 1,000 flyers surveyed, 43% even felt that long-haul flights should implement set times when passengers are permitted to recline their seat. Almost a third of those surveyed said a reclined seat had caused them discomfort, and 3% revealed they’d even suffered an injury.
Furthermore, a ban could well be music to the ears of cabin crew with over 60% of international cabin crew surveyed* saying they have been involved in, or witness to, an argument between passengers on the subject of reclined seats.
“The strong support for a change in reclined seat procedures makes sense”, says psychologist Dr. Becky Spelman, Clinical Director at the Private Therapy Clinic in Harley Street. “The effect of people reclining their seat can result in various negative emotions such as anger, stress, anxiety, frustration and upset for the passenger behind them. This emotional impact can result in a whole range of unhelpful behaviours, including air rage.”
"This is partly because there are two general personality types while travelling. There’s the ‘Altruistic Soul’, who is considerate of others, and the ‘Selfish Ego’. The latter of which will look to increase their comfort at the expense of others.”
In fact, our survey found that 70% of selfish egos would not be put off reclining their seat even if the person behind was pregnant while 80% wouldn’t care if the person behind was elderly or frail.
Women aged 18-24 were the most likely to display ‘Altruistic Soul’ tendencies in the survey, while men over the age of 35 were more likely to exhibit ‘Selfish Ego’ characteristics.
While negative emotions could be reduced by a fellow passenger asking permission to recline their seat, the study found that a third of passengers are too worried about the reaction they’d receive, and most people (64%) have never done so.
“With competing ‘Selfish Egos’ and ‘Altruistic Souls’, set times for seat reclining on planes could actually make for an improved experience for passengers” says Dr Spelman.
“Such rules tend to ensure better social cohesion, as people are conditioned to obey boundaries. While these rules place a limit on the personal choice passengers have over their own comfort, people will generally adhere to them, accepting that it is fair. This could lead to a more pleasant flying experience for the majority.”
91% of people who took part in our survey said short-haul flights should either ban or set times for seat reclining. We also found that of over 1,000 flyers surveyed, 43% even felt that long-haul flights should implement set times when passengers are permitted to recline their seat. Almost a third of those surveyed said a reclined seat had caused them discomfort, and 3% revealed they’d even suffered an injury.
Furthermore, a ban could well be music to the ears of cabin crew with over 60% of international cabin crew surveyed* saying they have been involved in, or witness to, an argument between passengers on the subject of reclined seats.
“The strong support for a change in reclined seat procedures makes sense”, says psychologist Dr. Becky Spelman, Clinical Director at the Private Therapy Clinic in Harley Street. “The effect of people reclining their seat can result in various negative emotions such as anger, stress, anxiety, frustration and upset for the passenger behind them. This emotional impact can result in a whole range of unhelpful behaviours, including air rage.”
"This is partly because there are two general personality types while travelling. There’s the ‘Altruistic Soul’, who is considerate of others, and the ‘Selfish Ego’. The latter of which will look to increase their comfort at the expense of others.”
In fact, our survey found that 70% of selfish egos would not be put off reclining their seat even if the person behind was pregnant while 80% wouldn’t care if the person behind was elderly or frail.
Women aged 18-24 were the most likely to display ‘Altruistic Soul’ tendencies in the survey, while men over the age of 35 were more likely to exhibit ‘Selfish Ego’ characteristics.
While negative emotions could be reduced by a fellow passenger asking permission to recline their seat, the study found that a third of passengers are too worried about the reaction they’d receive, and most people (64%) have never done so.
“With competing ‘Selfish Egos’ and ‘Altruistic Souls’, set times for seat reclining on planes could actually make for an improved experience for passengers” says Dr Spelman.
“Such rules tend to ensure better social cohesion, as people are conditioned to obey boundaries. While these rules place a limit on the personal choice passengers have over their own comfort, people will generally adhere to them, accepting that it is fair. This could lead to a more pleasant flying experience for the majority.”
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 464
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I like the way that people who expect to be able to recline the seat they paid for are 'selfish', while those don't want the person in front to recline their seat because they're a special snowflake who should be able to tell others what to do are 'considerate of others'.
I'm well into 'selfish ego' with two caveats:
1. I don't recline during meals.
2. When I do, I do it slowly.
If the guy behind wants to kick off then he can present his case to the local police after landing.
1. I don't recline during meals.
2. When I do, I do it slowly.
If the guy behind wants to kick off then he can present his case to the local police after landing.
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Confoederatio Helvetica
Age: 68
Posts: 2,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Much of EasyJet's fleet now has seats that are'pre-reclined', meaning that they don't move front to back. I love it! I can't wait until all airlines do the same. Not only do they keep the majority of passengers happy, they weigh less too.
I don't think I've ever reclined my seat in all my years lying a pax (and that's a lot of flights) but mainly short haul within the UK.
That said, anyone in front of me is welcome to try and recline their seat, but they can equally expect to enjoy a knee in the back for the rest of the flight, being as I am well over 6 ft tall!
That said, anyone in front of me is welcome to try and recline their seat, but they can equally expect to enjoy a knee in the back for the rest of the flight, being as I am well over 6 ft tall!
Avoid imitations
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Wandering the FIR and cyberspace often at highly unsociable times
Posts: 14,573
Received 419 Likes
on
221 Posts
That said, anyone in front of me is welcome to try and recline their seat, but they can equally expect to enjoy a knee in the back for the rest of the flight, being as I am well over 6 ft tall!
Paxing All Over The World
For short haul, I see no reason for a recline. Long haul is different and one of the problems you would encounter is perception. Not how much the seat reclines - but that it CAN be reclined.
I agree that, when reclining in Y or Y+ (P.E./WT+) , one should ease back a bit and wait a minute or two - then go back more. Possibly taking three stages to get to full recline. Unfortuantely, I never sit in front of me ...
I agree that, when reclining in Y or Y+ (P.E./WT+) , one should ease back a bit and wait a minute or two - then go back more. Possibly taking three stages to get to full recline. Unfortuantely, I never sit in front of me ...
I had to break up two fights in the economy cabin, one between two women, during my career due to seat reclining issues.
I made a habit of making an announcement during meal service asking that all customers put seats in the upright position for that time. You would not believe the bloody mindness of some people who refuse to comply.
I made a habit of making an announcement during meal service asking that all customers put seats in the upright position for that time. You would not believe the bloody mindness of some people who refuse to comply.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: australia
Age: 48
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The trouble with long haul seats is that they recline further back. So if you're awake sitting up playing golf on the entertainment system and the guy in front reclines, there goes all hope of anything with a head basically sitting in your lap.
A hard one because to sleep, some reclining helps. But too much affects the person behind.
But I have the solution. Only fly during the daytime. Personally I think all this leave at certain hours, fly through the night, land in the early hours of the morning to give the impression you have actually have travelled all night and jet lag wont be a problem, mood lighting features etc, is one big SCAM.
So why do airlines spend millions on the latest entertainment systems for the aircraft if you get to spend a few measley hours at best using it, having a couple meals perhaps and thats it?
Fly (mostly) through the daylight hours, which means more movies to watch. More golf to play. More free food and drink from the service. More moneys worth!! I dont want to pay a couple grand to just sleep.
So indeed, I've solved the problem. Don't all congratulate me at one guys.
But the BIG problem is this. Aircraft manufactures making more fuel efficient aircraft. Or bigger.
We dont WANT bigger. We WANT FASTER!!!!!!!!!!
A hard one because to sleep, some reclining helps. But too much affects the person behind.
But I have the solution. Only fly during the daytime. Personally I think all this leave at certain hours, fly through the night, land in the early hours of the morning to give the impression you have actually have travelled all night and jet lag wont be a problem, mood lighting features etc, is one big SCAM.
So why do airlines spend millions on the latest entertainment systems for the aircraft if you get to spend a few measley hours at best using it, having a couple meals perhaps and thats it?
Fly (mostly) through the daylight hours, which means more movies to watch. More golf to play. More free food and drink from the service. More moneys worth!! I dont want to pay a couple grand to just sleep.
So indeed, I've solved the problem. Don't all congratulate me at one guys.
But the BIG problem is this. Aircraft manufactures making more fuel efficient aircraft. Or bigger.
We dont WANT bigger. We WANT FASTER!!!!!!!!!!
I made a habit of making an announcement during meal service asking that all customers put seats in the upright position for that time. You would not believe the bloody mindness of some people who refuse to comply.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Regarding the topic of not reclining on short haul...you neglect to realise that a lot of transit passengers could well be off their face with jet lag having flown in from the other side of the world, when you're feeling fresh as a daisy on local time.
The average short haul passenger doesn't think of that though...
The average short haul passenger doesn't think of that though...
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: world
Posts: 3,424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
When flying economy or in an economy layout, I personally find it easier to sleep sitting upright, elbow on the armrest and head on the cabin wall (or window) rather than reclining. We're all different and it's impossible to please all.
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: London
Posts: 165
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What a hysterical thread!
The most entertaining for me is Ruddman. Clearly he has never flown west east across the dateline, vice versa or north south or vice versa across the equator, let alone before the ultra long-range aircraft of today were introduced. Unless you want to stop for many hours every few hours you don't have a choice about "flying in daytime" unless your max range is across the Tasman. Here's a challenge Ruddman - propose a schedule for Oz to US or Europe which allows you to fly in the "daytime" only (and then state how many hours you would have been awake at the end!)!
The whole debate only arises because of the increasingly self-centred attitude of people today - do what YOU want regardless of the people around you and how your actions might affect them.
This is replicated in EVERY aspect of modern life. People barge/walk through others while talking on the phone, queue-jump, etc etc so who is surprised that they recline seats without any consideration for those around/behind them?
Well done vctenderness for trying! And DRUK, if you hadn't been a "customer" (ie paying your money) you wouldn't have had the pleasure of being a passenger! (OED - "Customer - a person who buys goods or services from a shop or business")
The most entertaining for me is Ruddman. Clearly he has never flown west east across the dateline, vice versa or north south or vice versa across the equator, let alone before the ultra long-range aircraft of today were introduced. Unless you want to stop for many hours every few hours you don't have a choice about "flying in daytime" unless your max range is across the Tasman. Here's a challenge Ruddman - propose a schedule for Oz to US or Europe which allows you to fly in the "daytime" only (and then state how many hours you would have been awake at the end!)!
The whole debate only arises because of the increasingly self-centred attitude of people today - do what YOU want regardless of the people around you and how your actions might affect them.
This is replicated in EVERY aspect of modern life. People barge/walk through others while talking on the phone, queue-jump, etc etc so who is surprised that they recline seats without any consideration for those around/behind them?
Well done vctenderness for trying! And DRUK, if you hadn't been a "customer" (ie paying your money) you wouldn't have had the pleasure of being a passenger! (OED - "Customer - a person who buys goods or services from a shop or business")
Last edited by rgsaero; 4th Oct 2013 at 15:15.
And DRUK, if you hadn't been a "customer" (ie paying your money) you wouldn't have had the pleasure of being a passenger! (OED - "Customer - a person who buys goods or services from a shop or business")
And it's the only one that applies to the dead-heading crew member sitting on my left, and the chap on my right travelling on a staff ID100 - neither are "customers", but they both still have to put their seat backs upright when the F/A tells them to.
Symptomatic, sadly, of the gradual dumbing-down of the English language - why bother using a precise term when a woolly one will do?
N4790P
Interesting thread:-
1) It’s my choice to recline if I so desire if the seat has recline capabilities. (As other have stated, I may well have just deplaned from a long haul and be shattered)
2) I ALWAYS check behind before I do and ALWAYS move it back slowly
3) I NEVER recline it fully, only enough to be more comfortable
4) I ALWAYS return the seat to the upright position during meals
5) If you kick my seat because I’ve reclined it (in a civilized manner), I’m entitled to ‘kick back’ at your ignorance and this is where the problems start!!!
1) It’s my choice to recline if I so desire if the seat has recline capabilities. (As other have stated, I may well have just deplaned from a long haul and be shattered)
2) I ALWAYS check behind before I do and ALWAYS move it back slowly
3) I NEVER recline it fully, only enough to be more comfortable
4) I ALWAYS return the seat to the upright position during meals
5) If you kick my seat because I’ve reclined it (in a civilized manner), I’m entitled to ‘kick back’ at your ignorance and this is where the problems start!!!
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Gerrards Cross
Age: 43
Posts: 92
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I personally can't stand reclining seats, however I don't mind if they are polite enough to ask first, but not once have I been asked if they could recline, they just shove the seat back, and suddenly hot drink on table almost goes flying, but what is worse is when they are sitting in extra leg room (e.g 757 by the door) and it's still not enough space for them.