I flew Ryanair and survived
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I flew Ryanair and survived
I flew MAN - DUB - MAN yesterday.
First time on Ryanair.
Dislikes - garish colour scheme of the aircraft interior; complicated and garish website which is clearly designed to confuse the irregular or novice traveller.
Likes - can book luggage one way on a return journey (Jet2 please note); they get you to the gate and on board early so permitting a possible on-time if not early departure (Jet2 please note).
I appreciate that my usual route of MAN - TLV is completely different in terms of passenger profile, route length etc etc, but Jet2 hasn't left the stand on time on any flight since they started the route. Last night we took off from Dublin early and landed at least 30 mins ahead of schedule, which I understand can be a frequent occurrence.
Not convinced I would want to fly a long flight with Ryanair but didn't seem as bad as people suggest.
First time on Ryanair.
Dislikes - garish colour scheme of the aircraft interior; complicated and garish website which is clearly designed to confuse the irregular or novice traveller.
Likes - can book luggage one way on a return journey (Jet2 please note); they get you to the gate and on board early so permitting a possible on-time if not early departure (Jet2 please note).
I appreciate that my usual route of MAN - TLV is completely different in terms of passenger profile, route length etc etc, but Jet2 hasn't left the stand on time on any flight since they started the route. Last night we took off from Dublin early and landed at least 30 mins ahead of schedule, which I understand can be a frequent occurrence.
Not convinced I would want to fly a long flight with Ryanair but didn't seem as bad as people suggest.
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A bit harsh, perhaps, Tableview? This forum is for SLF, some of whom have different views and priorities to yours. A comparison of a RYR flight to Jet2 included, and a point for debate as to whether RYR would be OK for a long flight makes this a reasonable post.
Ryanair long haul - don't see a problem myself, as long as I have a decent headset that cuts out all the noise and adverts. What I save on the flight I can spend on better hotels or restaurants.
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Ryanair long haul - don't see a problem myself, as long as I have a decent headset that cuts out all the noise and adverts. What I save on the flight I can spend on better hotels or restaurants.
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I choose to fly FR (Ryanair) ...
Working at a FR hub and seeing the OTP and very low incident level, in my professional opinion FR are 1 of the best Airlines in Europe.
I have not had a bad flight with either FR or ZB (Monarch) but have had dreadful flights with unnamed National Carriers (my compnay handles them
) and EZY (Easyjet).
PS in my profession I fly very frequently both long haul and short haul (although mostly Pan-European).
Although I must admit the Website for FR is full of traps eg Car Hire/Samsonite Suitcase/Travel Insurance pop-ups amonst others....
Working at a FR hub and seeing the OTP and very low incident level, in my professional opinion FR are 1 of the best Airlines in Europe.
I have not had a bad flight with either FR or ZB (Monarch) but have had dreadful flights with unnamed National Carriers (my compnay handles them
) and EZY (Easyjet).PS in my profession I fly very frequently both long haul and short haul (although mostly Pan-European).
Although I must admit the Website for FR is full of traps eg Car Hire/Samsonite Suitcase/Travel Insurance pop-ups amonst others....
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As you may know Espada III, the time of leaving the stand is totally irrelevant as the link between it and the take off slot time is not know to pax. The only time that counts is arrival time.
For that RYR, like almost every other carrier these days, ensures that the amount of time allowed in the schedule is so great as to allow most of the delays to be accomodated and STILL arrive on time.
That is not a criticism of RYR, they simply responded to market and govt forces. But don't be takien in by their PR!!
For that RYR, like almost every other carrier these days, ensures that the amount of time allowed in the schedule is so great as to allow most of the delays to be accomodated and STILL arrive on time.
That is not a criticism of RYR, they simply responded to market and govt forces. But don't be takien in by their PR!!
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As you may know Espada III, the time of leaving the stand is totally irrelevant as the link between it and the take off slot time is not know to pax. The only time that counts is arrival time.
My experience is that it pushes back at least 30 minutes after the stated departure time, and struggles to land on time, with consequent delays at the turn around. This is partly related to the nature of some passengers who are novice flyers, speaking a foreign language, but simply getting people on board by 09:50 and not 10:10 will mean slots are not lost for a 10:00 push back.
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As you may know Espada III, the time of leaving the stand is totally irrelevant
Out time is - by definition - the one that's used to determine whether a departure is classed as on time or late in the punctuality stats.
Time on stand (In) at the destination is the one that the pax judge the airline by.
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Regulation 261 where it refers to delays does so in relation to delays in departure, not delay in arrival.
See the EC said it, so it must be correct. They do know our business better than we do.
See the EC said it, so it must be correct. They do know our business better than we do.
My experience is that it pushes back at least 30 minutes after the stated departure time, and struggles to land on time, with consequent delays at the turn around. This is partly related to the nature of some passengers who are novice flyers, speaking a foreign language, but simply getting people on board by 09:50 and not 10:10 will mean slots are not lost for a 10:00 push back.
See the EC said it, so it must be correct. They do know our business better than we do.
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Irrespective of what the official stats are: Pax only consider the time they are supposed to land. Nothing else enters their brain!
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Not so. Many people get concerned that the aircraft has not moved away from the stand (or is still boarding) at the scheduled time for departure. Of course it is nice to arrive on time, but how much nicer it is to arrive a little earlier.
If you drive from say Manchester to London and anticipate a three hour drive arriving at 15:00, it is great to be able to leave a few minutes early and to arrive after only two and three quarter hours.
Same with air travel. I would love the aircraft to actually leave the stand on time, as it means my overall door to door travel time is reduced, irrespective of whether the plane actually lands on time. Why sit on an aircraft not going anywhere.
If you drive from say Manchester to London and anticipate a three hour drive arriving at 15:00, it is great to be able to leave a few minutes early and to arrive after only two and three quarter hours.
Same with air travel. I would love the aircraft to actually leave the stand on time, as it means my overall door to door travel time is reduced, irrespective of whether the plane actually lands on time. Why sit on an aircraft not going anywhere.
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Why sit on an aircraft not going anywhere.
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I appreciate that my usual route of MAN - TLV is completely different in terms of passenger profile, route length etc etc, but Jet2 hasn't left the stand on time on any flight since they started the route.
, I know that you are wrong because I have left the stand on time on the TLV service
. I know it leaves late often unfortunately, the route suffers from slots regularly
, and also suffers from passengers that just wont be rushed and are often late to the gate
despite the best efforts of all involved.
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I agree. But the ones who wont be rushed should be treated like Ryanair treats them. Worry them into getting to the gate on time.
I fly that route often (several times a year) and try my best to chivvy my family to the gate and to sit down quickly. But there is always a small minority who simply do not get it. Drives me mad and I for one wold throw them off the plane or leave them behind.
I fly that route often (several times a year) and try my best to chivvy my family to the gate and to sit down quickly. But there is always a small minority who simply do not get it. Drives me mad and I for one wold throw them off the plane or leave them behind.
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I fly that route often (several times a year) and try my best to chivvy my family to the gate and to sit down quickly. But there is always a small minority who simply do not get it. Drives me mad and I for one wold throw them off the plane or leave them behind.
It's the way they casually get onto the aircraft, then complain when all the overhead bins are full. They can't get their oversized suitcase in there!
Airports/airlines (as I don't know whose responsibility it is) share some blame as gates are only announced 20 mins before boarding. If the plane is at the stand why not put the gate number up???
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TLV is an interesting one as they often impose inbound slots on arriving aircraft.
To deal with your 'why haven't we pushed yet' query, it is better to take up airborne holding time at the gate from the departure then to have to burn fuel over the eastern Med whilst waiting for you arrival slot into TLV.
Ironically RYR use a +/- 15 minutes punctuality scheme whilst most other airlines use +/- 3 minutes.
Just food for thought.
To deal with your 'why haven't we pushed yet' query, it is better to take up airborne holding time at the gate from the departure then to have to burn fuel over the eastern Med whilst waiting for you arrival slot into TLV.
Ironically RYR use a +/- 15 minutes punctuality scheme whilst most other airlines use +/- 3 minutes.
Just food for thought.
Errrrrrrr...........TLV ????
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EU261 is based on arrival time.
Airport kept stats are based on off blocks times.
PAX tend to think about boarding on time and arrival time IMHO.
We are not all playing on the same pitch and even if we did it wouldn't be even!
Oh and just because somebody hasn't had an accident, doesn't mean that they aren't going to.
Airport kept stats are based on off blocks times.
PAX tend to think about boarding on time and arrival time IMHO.
We are not all playing on the same pitch and even if we did it wouldn't be even!
Oh and just because somebody hasn't had an accident, doesn't mean that they aren't going to.