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"Seat belts don't matter,” said Michael O’Leary, chief executive of Ryanair.

Old 9th Nov 2012, 07:56
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Come on folks - to partially quote another Irish man - "What is worse that being talked about?"

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Old 9th Nov 2012, 08:10
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Put it to the test, take the seats out, get MOL to stand at the back of the acft set auto brakes to max. Problem solved.
Seconded. Might finally shut him up.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 08:15
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Since when has Ryanair been a 'British Budget Airliner'.
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I hate flying with Ryanair, unfortunately as a student I can't afford anyone else, and they are the only ones that fly Malaga-Edinburgh. It's outrageous. The seats are uncomfortable, 9/10 times the cabin crew is unfriendly, space is limited, you're treated like cattle and you have to pay 10 pounds to be allowed to sit at an emergency exit. I remember a few years ago when in other airlines they would move people in unbusy flights to make sure someone was at the emergency exit. It should be illegal. NOW SEATBELTS???? WTF is wrong with them? If they make standing tickets, i might just shoot myself.


I'd rather never make it as a pilot than work for them.

All of which doesn´t stop you from flying with them. With friends like these...


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Old 9th Nov 2012, 08:27
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Lets not forget this is also the man that says that you only need 1 pilot on the flightdeck ~ as you can train the cabin crew to land the plane in an emergency.

We shouldn't really induldge the c##t by even aknowleding / commenting on his pathetic ramblings.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 08:34
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Don't worry air doris, this is normal publicity-seeking behaviour from MO'L, ejaculating sound bites into the atmosphere, hoping to impregnate the minds of the general public with the Ryanair brand. And he is incredibly successful at so doing. Whatever is said here on Pprune, the passenger numbers suggest more people are happy to fly with Ryanair than any other European airline.

Funkydreadlocks, you are too young to remember the old days, say 15 years ago, when your flight from Edinburgh to Malaga would have cost you £300 and would have been scheduled for one day per week. Yes, you would have been served a sandwich and the hostess would have said 'Sir' but as you say, you couldn't afford those prices anyway - so you wouldn't make the flight anyway. Oh, and Ryanair do move people to emergency exit flights if nobody buys the seats. Sometimes the cabin crew are a bit sour-faced but they work under massive stress and most are quite jolly!

Meccano. Forgive me, but you are offensive and wide of the mark if you think that pilots who fly for Ryanair are unprofessional. They come from similar backgrounds to other pilots, do the same flight training, pass the same ATPL exams, do as much recurrent training as everyone else to standards admired within the training industry, and despite MO'L's attempts to denigrate their profession continue to perform in a demanding commercial environment. Many pilots at major legacy carriers started with Ryanair.

Don't confuse the public face of Ryanair with the attitude of its pilots. We are all embarrassed by MO'L but it is water off a duck's back to us.

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Old 9th Nov 2012, 08:34
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"Since when has Ryanair been a 'British Budget Airliner'."

Ask any of their long-standing customers.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 08:50
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Mr O'Leary is right, we don't need seat belts on aeroplanes, instead Ryanair should demand its passengers wear bubble wrap attire. And the bubbles should be filled with helium to reduce our gross weight. Plus security would be happy because they can quickly see through the see-through bits.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 09:04
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Why stop there MoL - stairs down into the cargo hold would provide 50% more standing room. The SLF could always sit on whatever cargo was down there!
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 09:57
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Sshhhh, the press release about pax riding in the cargo hold isn't due to be released until next month.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 10:07
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Originally Posted by Depone
Meccano. Forgive me, but you are offensive and wide of the mark if you think that pilots who fly for Ryanair are unprofessional. They come from similar backgrounds to other pilots, do the same flight training, pass the same ATPL exams, do as much recurrent training as everyone else to standards admired within the training industry, and despite MO'L's attempts to denigrate their profession continue to perform in a demanding commercial environment. Many pilots at major legacy carriers started with Ryanair.

Don't confuse the public face of Ryanair with the attitude of its pilots.
I share this impression. Although most people seem to agree that the terms could be better to say the least, most pilots I've discussed this with (former FR or with no affiliation) seem to be pleased with their operational standards.

I'm interested, but at the same time I'm torn by the idea of contributing to deteriorating terms for pilots. I hope for some legislation to come to our aid in the future, but I'm not expecting anything.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 10:08
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Ryanair has returned 1.5Bn in cash to shareholders and still sits on a stash of 3.5bn in cash. MOL can drivel all he wants, he runs a tight ship and makes some serious money for his investors, that's what it is all about.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 10:10
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Of course this thread will get muddled again with how bad the T&C's are, well you guys accepted it, can't blame MOL for trying. He is in the business of making money and as long as he finds crew that will sign on the dotted line why would he offer a better package.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 10:13
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You're right, apart from the guys close to retirement, the new command upgrades and the starry-eyed cadets, almost all FR pilots want to leave because of the deteriorating terms and conditions, but that is another issue altogether.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 10:15
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Originally Posted by funkydreadlocks
I hate flying with Ryanair, unfortunately as a student I can't afford anyone else, and they are the only ones that fly Malaga-Edinburgh. It's outrageous. The seats are uncomfortable, 9/10 times the cabin crew is unfriendly, space is limited, you're treated like cattle and you have to pay 10 pounds to be allowed to sit at an emergency exit. I remember a few years ago when in other airlines they would move people in unbusy flights to make sure someone was at the emergency exit. It should be illegal. NOW SEATBELTS???? WTF is wrong with them? If they make standing tickets, i might just shoot myself.


I'd rather never make it as a pilot than work for them.
Yes, you are right, they should price it out of your range, so you would not have to endure the pain of flying with them and you could comfortably take the train.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 10:31
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Time to spare?Fly Ryanair.Want a scare?Fly Ryanair.

When his crews were on a Basic pay plus Sector Pay only,I was several times returned to where I had come from with a minor Tech problem. The Flight Deck decided it would be cost effective for them as it meant extra sector pay,although several of us on board were travelling back from a 10 day duty,and our Company used this "Low Cost" means of getting us back. This often meant eating into our days off,so it was particularly inconvenient,to say the least.I remember such faults as "Whistling from the Cabin Doors"-this happens on most well used Aircraft and is sorted by wet jay cloth stuffed around the seals,or Hosties skin cream to lubricate the dry seals!!!!!!!!!!!!Anyway this was happened on a regular basis having talked to other positioning crews with this crowdIt is about time would be passengers tried some alternatives to bleed MOl from some of his ill gotten gains!
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 10:45
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Depone,

If I may ask:

Is the roster currently getting more and more crowded, thereby resulting in more standby time for most pilots? Are there any significant differences between bases?

Looking past the current T&Cs for the moment, how are most FR crews doing? Is the social environment good?

If this isn't a good place to discuss this, please PM me if you wish to reply.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 10:48
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Sorry guys

I would rather pay 75 euro to fly around Europe with FR than pay the hugely exagerated prices of the Draconian National Carriers who's crew's honestly believe they are doing you the favour of flying you to your destination...

MO'L good on ya keep the comments up I love the listening to all the septic anti-FR comments they bring...

PS which European Airlines have made big profits over the last few years?

ehh I can think of only 1 maybe 2 if you include Stelios Orange/White Taxi's before he was put out to pasture and they decided they wanted to become LCC fodder....

PS I am not FR employed
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As dispicable and thoroughly unpleasant a man he is, O'Leary is not serious in his suggestion. I would bet a large sum that if the regulator called his bluff and said, "Ok Mr O'Leary, you can do away with seatbelts and have standing room only," he 'd never really do it. Imagine the carnage after just a few days. Pax crushed as the airplane brakes on the runway, people bouncing off the ceiling........
And even if he was mad enough to do, and pax where mad enough to go for it, I think I'd just about have enough faith in the professionalism of Ryanair crew to refuse it.
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Old 9th Nov 2012, 11:53
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I am not normally one to revel in others' misfortune but I for one cannot wait until MOL has his "Gerald Ratner" moment
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