Siemens boycotts Ryanair
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In reply to the professional pilot whose principles won't allow him to fly Ryanair, I can only say you must like trains.
£10 flights are few and far between, however must have been good advertising because you still remember them!
Are all the pilots that fly for Ryanair and maintain their excellent safety record any less professional than you? (1984 stylie?)
Ryanair/MOL are running a successful airline in today's very difficult marketplace, think of it as a glorified coach with wings and not a pared down BA/LH/UA flight and maybe it'll make sense.
However, their advertising and prices obviously appeal to enough folk that MOL isn't going to lose sleep over all the principled Ryanair bashers.
£10 flights are few and far between, however must have been good advertising because you still remember them!
Are all the pilots that fly for Ryanair and maintain their excellent safety record any less professional than you? (1984 stylie?)
Ryanair/MOL are running a successful airline in today's very difficult marketplace, think of it as a glorified coach with wings and not a pared down BA/LH/UA flight and maybe it'll make sense.
However, their advertising and prices obviously appeal to enough folk that MOL isn't going to lose sleep over all the principled Ryanair bashers.
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think of it as a glorified coach with wings and not a pared down BA/LH/UA flight and maybe it'll make sense.
We need to remove the PP from the first part of this website.
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Ryanair image to the public and to the aviation professionals is very low.
I do not fly with Ryanair even if the only other option is to take a train, and as professional pilot I have recommended my family and friends to avoid it at all cost.
Exactly which aviation professionals are you talking about here?
Are you prepared to tell us which company you fly for - clearly one that does not require fluent English?
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There is no doubt in my mind that pprune is totally anti Ryanair as are some of the posters, its jealousy all round because Ryanair one of the biggest airlines in the World is an Irish Company and its clear it upsets a lot of people on this board if it was a British company you would never see the sh..e thats written here, I am surprised the MOL has not taken action like another airline here and puts a stop to the rubbish posting.
I know a lot of aircrew in Ryanair they love the job and conditions and are pissed off reading the constant anti Ryanair posting here, guys get real there is not an airline in the World that does not have incidents of course if you have 300 aircraft you are bound to have a few.
I know a lot of aircrew in Ryanair they love the job and conditions and are pissed off reading the constant anti Ryanair posting here, guys get real there is not an airline in the World that does not have incidents of course if you have 300 aircraft you are bound to have a few.
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Just bought myself a new SIEMENS dishwasher, to support their hoycot.
I am also boycotting Ryanair, and so does my family. so sue me FR
Just read the incident report by then IAA... The whole issue started because all 3 crews did not take enough fuel.nImwould NEVER take less than 1500kg. Extra for a MAD flight when TS is a possibility. and I would divert with at least 500kg. Over the min. Diversion fuel. That is what my c ompany wants,that is safe and Good Operator Practice. Fuel policy is not on how much extra you take, it is about how you burn it.
I am also boycotting Ryanair, and so does my family. so sue me FR
Just read the incident report by then IAA... The whole issue started because all 3 crews did not take enough fuel.nImwould NEVER take less than 1500kg. Extra for a MAD flight when TS is a possibility. and I would divert with at least 500kg. Over the min. Diversion fuel. That is what my c ompany wants,that is safe and Good Operator Practice. Fuel policy is not on how much extra you take, it is about how you burn it.
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It is a bit low bringing up Siemens alleged actions re slave labour during ww2! I suspect if true they were given little option!! Ever seen schindlers list? It's based on a true story and was not the only story of its kind! I would have expected the moderator to have had a word about the nazi comments as been quite abusive in my opinion!
On the other hand those that work for Ryan have a choice, although many would regard it as slavery if some posters on here are to be believed!
Jeolousy? Not at all and never will be!
Dislike? Yes I think that would be a fair assumption
On the other hand those that work for Ryan have a choice, although many would regard it as slavery if some posters on here are to be believed!
Jeolousy? Not at all and never will be!
Dislike? Yes I think that would be a fair assumption
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Just bought myself a new SIEMENS dishwasher, to support their hoycot.
I am also boycotting Ryanair, and so does my family. so sue me FR
Just read the incident report by then IAA... The whole issue started because all 3 crews did not take enough fuel.nImwould NEVER take less than 1500kg. Extra for a MAD flight when TS is a possibility. and I would divert with at least 500kg. Over the min. Diversion fuel. That is what my c ompany wants,that is safe and Good Operator Practice. Fuel policy is not on how much extra you take, it is about how you burn it.
I am also boycotting Ryanair, and so does my family. so sue me FR
Just read the incident report by then IAA... The whole issue started because all 3 crews did not take enough fuel.nImwould NEVER take less than 1500kg. Extra for a MAD flight when TS is a possibility. and I would divert with at least 500kg. Over the min. Diversion fuel. That is what my c ompany wants,that is safe and Good Operator Practice. Fuel policy is not on how much extra you take, it is about how you burn it.
It's quite ironic really that everyone has suddenly picked an argument with Ryanair over it's safety record. It's safety record is probably about the one thing it has going for it. Unless you're a share holder.
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Flight plan fuel is a Minimum, it is normal to take more, in case of an airport like MAD in summer, it is normal to take A LOT more. it doesn't make a difference really anyhow, for the B737, an extra ton of fuel result of a burn that is a mere 30 to 50 kg. Higher per hour. 
The company culture of not being absolutely free how much fuel to take, and having to defend yourself for doing,is at fault, not the crew who is brainwashed into O Leary Ryanair Borgs without a spine. Proof is the 2 previous posts, both by coincidence seem to live in Ireland...
The company culture of not being absolutely free how much fuel to take, and having to defend yourself for doing,is at fault, not the crew who is brainwashed into O Leary Ryanair Borgs without a spine. Proof is the 2 previous posts, both by coincidence seem to live in Ireland...
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Originally Posted by Thunderbirdsix
There is no doubt in my mind that PPRuNe is totally anti Ryanair as are some of the posters, its jealousy all round because Ryanair one of the biggest airlines in the World is an Irish Company and its clear it upsets a lot of people on this board if it was a British company you would never see the sh..e thats written here, I am surprised the MOL has not taken action like another airline here and puts a stop to the rubbish posting.
Most of the negativity around Ryanair on this forum tends to stem from the way the CEO conducts himself, the way in which the company treats its 'service-providers' and its often questionable employment practices.
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I think Siemens are asking the wrong question. Forget Ryanair what about Air France.
They are off my list big time. With an attitude of they taught the birds to fly and their current accident rate I am staying well clear.
They are off my list big time. With an attitude of they taught the birds to fly and their current accident rate I am staying well clear.
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Are all the pilots that fly for Ryanair and maintain their excellent safety record any less professional than you?
Denigrating all pilots? The glorified coach was from a pax perspective, in that they want to get from A-B as quickly and cheaply as possible.
If you review previous posts, I think you'll find I'm not in the habit of denigrating all pilots (Only the ones who have been less than PP) and you've taken this out of context, might be that my Mitt Romney SOH is alien to you.
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Are all the pilots that fly for Ryanair and maintain their excellent safety record any less professional than you?
Denigrating all pilots? The glorified coach was from a pax perspective, in that they want to get from A-B as quickly and cheaply as possible.
If you review previous posts, I think you'll find I'm not in the habit of denigrating all pilots (Only the ones who have been less than PP) and you've taken this out of context, might be that my Mitt Romney SOH is alien to you.
What a shame that the professionalism of pilots has been mentioned when it has nothing to do with that. They too have to take 'orders' from the top and I'm sure they always take safety into consideration regardless of what the chief pilot says. O"Leary dictates what he wants and it filters through the company. It's the old story, do it or go elsewhere. My guess is Siemens personal have been on the end of bad service all round which of course will include handing agents who do not work for the airline, along with cabin crew with attitude. Maybe the 'accidents' have been misinterpreted as incidents with all the stories of fuel shortages in such a short space of time.
Many carriers have been caught short of fuel, but not for the reasons Ryanair have.
Many carriers have been caught short of fuel, but not for the reasons Ryanair have.
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I'm not flying Ryanair because I don't like their service and comfort level, and unlike majority of passengers I'm always prepared to pay extra. Same time, I don't have a doubt about their safety and it would be stupid to deny that FR is a very successful company and MOL shall be respected for this.
Perhaps the vein of feeling running through this thread is simply that people are concerned that the Ryanair management's well-known attitude towards customer service is now beginning to pervade flight operations, including influencing commanders' decisions?
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Beagle, IMO it's more that MOL is a very public CEO and that persona is indelibly associated with Ryanair in the public's eyes.
Trying to mentally disassociate MOL from Ryanair is always going to be difficult and this polarizes the arguments, we've got the principled I'll never fly Ryanair posters who only see MOL and the take a look at the safety record and what the airline offers.
MOL's legacy is imprinted on Ryanair and will be long after he's gone, all you can hope for is that at some point - objectivity will win.
Trying to mentally disassociate MOL from Ryanair is always going to be difficult and this polarizes the arguments, we've got the principled I'll never fly Ryanair posters who only see MOL and the take a look at the safety record and what the airline offers.
MOL's legacy is imprinted on Ryanair and will be long after he's gone, all you can hope for is that at some point - objectivity will win.
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Perhaps BEagle, perhaps.
Anyway, you could not compare two diametrically opposed organisations if you tried!
Have a read.
About Siemens - Siemens Global Website
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History - Siemens Global Website
Anyway, you could not compare two diametrically opposed organisations if you tried!
Have a read.
About Siemens - Siemens Global Website
und..
History - Siemens Global Website
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Originally Posted by Icelanta
Flight plan fuel is a Minimum, it is normal to take more, in case of an airport like MAD in summer, it is normal to take A LOT more. it doesn't make a difference really anyhow, for the B737, an extra ton of fuel result of a burn that is a mere 30 to 50 kg. Higher per hour.
The company culture of not being absolutely free how much fuel to take, and having to defend yourself for doing,is at fault, not the crew who is brainwashed into O Leary Ryanair Borgs without a spine. Proof is the 2 previous posts, both by coincidence seem to live in Ireland...
The company culture of not being absolutely free how much fuel to take, and having to defend yourself for doing,is at fault, not the crew who is brainwashed into O Leary Ryanair Borgs without a spine. Proof is the 2 previous posts, both by coincidence seem to live in Ireland...
I think the real problem here is that there's too many borgs of the sensationalist media.
I'll say it again if you don't like Ryanairs business strategy fair enough bitch about that. But, on the hand if you want to look stupid and play Ryanairs strongest hand by all means attack them on their safety record.
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Siemens is at the forefront of "sustainability"; a political ideology that is global in scope and widespread in influence buying/selling/trading.
Connected with "Communitarianism", look for an example in your town, village, rural area.
My best guess is that Siemens and affiliates are doing real world testing of political power and corporate enforcement results as relates to market exposure and public opinion.
Purely political. Safety shmafety....
In Lyman's considered opinion....
Connected with "Communitarianism", look for an example in your town, village, rural area.
My best guess is that Siemens and affiliates are doing real world testing of political power and corporate enforcement results as relates to market exposure and public opinion.
Purely political. Safety shmafety....
In Lyman's considered opinion....
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Let me tell you one thing which may help you to understand industry better - airlines are not charities and their only mission is to MAKE MONEY. There are few exceptions to that like small national carriers etc but those are not really commercial airlines. Also you need to understand that pilots, technicians, dispatchers, cleaners etc are only there because airlines not yet figured how to get a rid of them (well cleaners and caterers already got their hit). In that sense what passengers thinks is only important as long as it turns more profit, it is not a value per se. I recall old Swiss Air was quite decent in customer service but they still went bust, while MOL model pays off so far.
So yes airlines are only to make shareholders happy and sooner you realize it better you adapt to be successful in this industry.
Yet I am not flying Ryanair.
But to say someone shall be respected simply because he keeps the shareholders happy, is akin to saying the sugar cane plantation owners of the last century, or the clothing outlets who have profited from the use of Asian child labour, are also to be respected.
So yes airlines are only to make shareholders happy and sooner you realize it better you adapt to be successful in this industry.
Yet I am not flying Ryanair.
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