Siemens boycotts Ryanair
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Radeng - Presumably you've decided that based on trying for yourself, and not just listening to the hysteria on here?
Glad rag - as I say, I've flown RYR 40 times this year alone, so i call it as i have extensively seen it. Ive also flown BA FIRST/CW about 20 times this year, so i have high expectations! RYR have been invariably polite, prompt, clean and safe. I genuinely don't understand the hysteria. I can't have been so lucky so many times.
Glad rag - as I say, I've flown RYR 40 times this year alone, so i call it as i have extensively seen it. Ive also flown BA FIRST/CW about 20 times this year, so i have high expectations! RYR have been invariably polite, prompt, clean and safe. I genuinely don't understand the hysteria. I can't have been so lucky so many times.
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When they don't offer a flight at the time I want to the place I want to go to, they aren't offering the product that I want. When I want to go to Frankfurt, that's where I want to go - not Hahn.
Understand that I travel on my business, so time is money. Plus, I'll be honest, I want the comfort of Business Class, and even leaving that aside, every time I've looked at the Ryanair product, it is neither at the times or to/from the places I want to use.
When they don't offer a flight at the time I want to the place I want to go to, they aren't offering the product that I want. When I want to go to Frankfurt, that's where I want to go - not Hahn.
Understand that I travel on my business, so time is money. Plus, I'll be honest, I want the comfort of Business Class, and even leaving that aside, every time I've looked at the Ryanair product, it is neither at the times or to/from the places I want to use.
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Last summer Ryanair had a flight from an airport 60 kilometres from where we were in Spain to an airport 40 kilometres from where my son wanted to go in Sweden. It was cheap (or at least it appeared cheap.......) and the flight times were convenient.
I would not allow him to use it as I despise their business ethics and I have concerns about their safety. I don't bitch and moan about the airline, I acknowledge that there are enough suckers, or people who don't give a damn about standards, out there to make it highly successful, but my choice is not to use it and not to allow my family to use it. Why is the fact that Siemens do the same generating so much debate?
I would not allow him to use it as I despise their business ethics and I have concerns about their safety. I don't bitch and moan about the airline, I acknowledge that there are enough suckers, or people who don't give a damn about standards, out there to make it highly successful, but my choice is not to use it and not to allow my family to use it. Why is the fact that Siemens do the same generating so much debate?
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Fair enough re Frankfurt. I wouldn't want to go to Hahn either. But Frankfurt is an extreme case.
I'll give another example. Krakow. RYR flight leaves at 6am and gets me into there at 9.30 in the morning. EZY fly only in the middle of the day - this is a business trip so as you say, time is money. No-one else flies direct. If you want business class, its the Luftwaffe via Munich or Frankfurt. There is no closer Krakow airport to the city centre.
RYR are therefore the only airline offering the product required. Would those who "despise" the product waste their own time and money to avoid? For what is a perfectly safe operation, such a decision seems irrational to me.
I'll give another example. Krakow. RYR flight leaves at 6am and gets me into there at 9.30 in the morning. EZY fly only in the middle of the day - this is a business trip so as you say, time is money. No-one else flies direct. If you want business class, its the Luftwaffe via Munich or Frankfurt. There is no closer Krakow airport to the city centre.
RYR are therefore the only airline offering the product required. Would those who "despise" the product waste their own time and money to avoid? For what is a perfectly safe operation, such a decision seems irrational to me.
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As I said I've never flown FR but I didn't criticism them either.
From what I have gleaned here and on other aviation sites, when things go well, say 99.5% or more of the time, you will be a happy camper.
But in the less than 0.5% when things go pear shaped you are on you own. I'm not referring to safety issues but when they have to cancel a flight. They could care less about assisting you to complete your journey. "Here's your money back" is their idea of customer service.
Now this probably wouldn't matter at Krakow where there are other options (albeit expensive) but at Hahn?
I'm not saying it has never happened but have you ever heard of FR rerouting/rebooking on another airline?
You are unlikely to encounter a problem with FR, and I don't think there are any questions about their safety. But any FR traveller should expect to be left high and dry if/when things go wrong.
From what I have gleaned here and on other aviation sites, when things go well, say 99.5% or more of the time, you will be a happy camper.
But in the less than 0.5% when things go pear shaped you are on you own. I'm not referring to safety issues but when they have to cancel a flight. They could care less about assisting you to complete your journey. "Here's your money back" is their idea of customer service.
Now this probably wouldn't matter at Krakow where there are other options (albeit expensive) but at Hahn?
I'm not saying it has never happened but have you ever heard of FR rerouting/rebooking on another airline?
You are unlikely to encounter a problem with FR, and I don't think there are any questions about their safety. But any FR traveller should expect to be left high and dry if/when things go wrong.
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I fly Ryanair if they happen to be going to the right place at the right time and there is no alternative. I have no issue with their punctuality or the safety of their aircraft. However I do not enjoy the flying experience with them and I must be unlucky as the 40 odd times I have flown with them I have rarely had a friendly crew. Having said that when will people realise it is a case of you get what you pay for.
However I agree some Ryanairports are distant from their host cities but then again this year I have been to Incheon for Seoul and KLIA for Kuala Lumpur both of which could easily be viewed in the same way as they are not that close to the cities themselves.
However I agree some Ryanairports are distant from their host cities but then again this year I have been to Incheon for Seoul and KLIA for Kuala Lumpur both of which could easily be viewed in the same way as they are not that close to the cities themselves.
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I've been flying Ryanair since 1998,picking up tickets at Luton before flying to Dublin (£6.50)each way,could not believe it and buying Duty Free fags and booze.
Continue to use them up 12 times a year and will defend them everytime based on the fact that they go to where i want to go at prices i want to pay.This weekend Bournemouth to Girona 2 adults £98 return all in you cannot beat the value.
Why do people think that flying LoCo should be any different than catching a train or bus?
Why do people think the easy to follow T&Cs don't apply to them?
Continue to use them up 12 times a year and will defend them everytime based on the fact that they go to where i want to go at prices i want to pay.This weekend Bournemouth to Girona 2 adults £98 return all in you cannot beat the value.
Why do people think that flying LoCo should be any different than catching a train or bus?
Why do people think the easy to follow T&Cs don't apply to them?
I'll ask the simple question again as nobody seemed to know the answer last time.
Is the rate of incidence of these events statistically higher with Ryanair, or lower than the average you would expect from similar aircraft on similar routes carrying fuel determined by the allegedly same calculations?
If all pilots are using the same calculations etc, why would one company have four events, but all the others have none ? Are these just four events amongst many and therefore nothing statistically ? Or are they a statistical anomaly which indicates something is being done differently at the airline ?
There may be four different pilots but what is the statistical likelihood of four pilots having events such as these being from the same airline when others at other airlines are not ?
Just asking !
Is the rate of incidence of these events statistically higher with Ryanair, or lower than the average you would expect from similar aircraft on similar routes carrying fuel determined by the allegedly same calculations?
If all pilots are using the same calculations etc, why would one company have four events, but all the others have none ? Are these just four events amongst many and therefore nothing statistically ? Or are they a statistical anomaly which indicates something is being done differently at the airline ?
There may be four different pilots but what is the statistical likelihood of four pilots having events such as these being from the same airline when others at other airlines are not ?
Just asking !
If all pilots are using the same calculations etc, why would one company have four events, but all the others have none ?
But it's quite fair to ask those questions.
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In an effort to be fair let's just take a look at one recent example of Siemens' prowess as a global business.
Siemens great, Ryanair rubbish? Think again.
DMI was contracted out to the technology services provider Siemens with consulting by Deloitte. Costs of the project rose after a number of technical problems and delays, and in 2009 the BBC terminated the contract with Siemens. BBC losses were estimated to be £38.2m, partially offset by a £27.5m settlement paid by Siemens, leaving a loss of £10.7m to the BBC
Siemens great, Ryanair rubbish? Think again.
Ryanair - 4 billion Euros revenue, 21% growth, 10% profit (EBITDA), small worldwide presence, coverage mainly in one (bankrupt) continent, complete dependence upon one market sector, wholly dependent upon price of fuel.
Yes, in relative terms Ryanair is not a good investment.
Pointing out one failed Siemens contract amongst tens of thousands of successful ones is like pointing out that Ryanair has aircraft failures and trying to suggest that it is normal for all their aircraft to be that way. Fortunately, there are more balanced views of each company out there - those with some sense clearly.
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Siemens boycotts Ryanair
I love the way everyone has jumped on the FR bashing bandwagon zzzzzz facts are facts... FR do what they do very well... These stories in the press re fuel etc are typical of media scaremongering anyone who is or has an affiliation with the aviation industry knows the ins an outs of these kind of stories... Siemens are typically jumping on said bandwagon.. It was proven and stated that FR flights were NOT below their regulated and safe fuel reserves an the aircraft landed with sufficient fuel reserves and that in actual fact Spanish authorities at Madrid were in fact somewhat to blame for mismanagement causing prolonged delays...
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Siemens has a well established in house talent management philosophy which is in turn driven by a concept of performance management. This might not be compatible with a perception that an airline's management, instead of providing its employees with guidance and support, instead dictates on matters affecting safety of flight, which would have been better left to the initiative and expertise of the airline employees.
