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Old 28th Sep 2012, 18:53
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Oh come on!

The discussion is about Siemens not ICAO definitions.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 18:56
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I would like to know how many European airlines have an agreement with their pilots that they won't be rostered to fly on Ryanair?
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 18:58
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I would like to know how many European airlines have an agreement with their pilots that they won't be rostered to fly on Ryanair?
I guess NONE, 'cause their destiniations are mostly in the middle of nowhere
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 20:18
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Just to be clear I was the one who asked the question about the definition of an accident (post #15) - DaveReid kindly answered with the ICAO definition. I don't think either of us has criticised Ryanair and I'd certainly agree the crew on that flight did an excellent job.

Hope that helps.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 20:36
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It does, thank you.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 20:36
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Payback time...

Will Siemens start putting stickers on their appliances saying "Bye, Bye Ryainair"?
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 20:43
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Do Siemens produce any equipment likely to be used by Ryanair?
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 20:57
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Do Siemens produce any equipment likely to be used by Ryanair?
...or anywhere in Ireland!
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 21:08
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Somehow I think its better to wait until the official statement from Siemens main board rather than one permeating from a unit in Denmark / Norway.
It may be very different.

Somehow I doubt Siemens main board may not be enamoured about the companys name getting brought up in a manner like this.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 21:15
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Siemens use KLM and their associated "group" of airlines.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 21:26
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It is also in my standard letter of agreement, as a consultant, that I will not travel with Ryanair under any circumstances whatsoever.

Not that my position will cause Mikey-the-Pikey many sleepless nights....
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 21:29
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Siemens use KLM and their associated "group" of airlines.
Some stories really don't need writing

BBC NEWS | Europe | KLM accused of helping Nazis flee

KLM accused of helping Nazis flee

Many Nazis were given refuge in Argentina, including Adolf Eichmann

The Dutch airline KLM is facing calls for an inquiry into reports that it helped Nazi war criminals escape to Argentina after World War II. According to papers found by Dutch journalists, KLM asked Switzerland to let Germans cross its borders and fly to South America without proper papers.
Suspected war criminals were forbidden from leaving Germany by the Allies.
KLM acknowledges some of its passengers may have been fleeing justice, but denies it sought to help them escape.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 21:38
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Siemens use KLM and their associated "group" of airlines.
Haha would that be the "Air France"/KLM group. Great to see how overpaid executives continuing to make great decisions in the interest of their employees.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 21:39
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Antonov09: Agree, I think that for the amount of flights this airline does per day the statistics show that infact it is a safe airline. Whether, Siemens or any company does not want to fly with brand X, Y or Z that's up to them and their employees. I feel uncomfortable with this constant bashing of FR. I know personally numerous captains that fly there and are all high time with excellent records. And according to them the standard of training and procedures get's a good to high score. To look at unreliable airlines and even at those that have been banned from flying in certain airspace's. One just has refer to a whole published list, which is well documented and is of public knowledge

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Old 28th Sep 2012, 21:48
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It does, thank you.
You're welcome.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 21:51
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Over the years, I flew three times with Ryanair... twice to Marseille-Provence and once to Jerez de la Frontera, from Stansted and three times the experience was VERY negative. Not the flights themselves ( even though their bad reputation did make me nervous every time...) but the departures and the CUSTOMER SERVICES... APPALLING
Like Brittanny Ferries, or Tesco, Monsanto, Total, BP, MacDo and a few more that I boycott for similar reasons, Ryanair will never see another penny of mine or my family's and I do advise all my mates to avoid these companies...
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 22:11
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Whilst I think that Siemens have got it a bit wrong, in that Ryan don't seem to have killed anybody yet, it is a fact that any sensible organisation will look at risks.

In the late '60s and early '70s RR [jet engines] didn't allow two senior bods travel on the same flight, irrespective of whose engines hung on it.

ps. After a rubbish experience with one airline, I immmediately vowed 'never again'. Commonsense then kicked in and I realised that I was making an absolutely stupid error. The fact is that every flight that I have taken has got me to where I wanted to be. Safely. From my father flying me in gliders and seps to major carriers about the place.

In truth, airlines have left me with good and bad impressions. Airports, however... I cannot forgive.

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Old 28th Sep 2012, 22:15
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Do Siemens produce any equipment likely to be
used by Ryanair?

They produce an excellent range of hearing aids.
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 22:17
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Siemens - Green and Efficient Baggage and Cargo-Handling and Airport Integration Systems - Airport Technology

"Siemens - Green and Efficient Baggage and Cargo-Handling and Airport Integration Systems"
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Old 28th Sep 2012, 22:51
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why a reputable company as Siemens would send its valued employees on such el cheapo flights.
For the simple reason that there are certain times that when you want to get from C to D without going via A and B, Ryanair are the fastest option - price doesn't always come into it.

Siemens supported the Hitler regime
A remarkably rapid descent of this thread into invoking Godwin's law, we're normally extremely good at avoiding this one here!

Seimens has an explicit term relating to risk management
Well you'd have thought they'd actually get a calculator out and do the maths. Ryanair have distinctly not got OO status - billions of miles, no kills. One hulls loss, bird strike, beyond control of airline - in fact, with both engines disabled, was that not a great credit to pilots and their training to save all passengers and crew?

flying is STILL safer than the trip to the airport
Well if I take the local service to BHX, that will be using Siemens trains. I'm sure they'd jump up and down with anger if people suggested their trains (rather than the contracts to build them) were dodgy, especially if claims were based on other incidents on the UK rail industry that occur from time to time, but which don't involve their stock.

I can see why someone might want to take a cheap shot at the one aspect of Ryanair management that you can't really fault them on, but given that Siemens make all kinds of highly sophisticated equipment, I'm not sure I'd want to be spreading ill-advised safety claims against a company which is highly likely to retaliate.

In the late '60s and early '70s RR [jet engines] didn't allow two senior bods travel on the same flight
Is that not still policy in various companies, based on various incidents in which there have been no survivors? The 2010 Polish crash being a case in point?

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