Various business class seats
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If you want to sleep in privacy, the AC pods on the 777 and 767 are the best. They also provide direct access to the aisle for every seat. Unfortunately, AC is going to a higher density seating on their new planes, and reverting to the old type of business seats. They will lose my business because of this.
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I too will avoid AC's new B777s, but because of the 398 (10 abreast) seats in Economy- in addition to the 60 seats in Economy+ and Business. (They also have a two class configuration for the same model, but that one has only 307 (9 abreast) seats in Y)
Apparently they will be used on low-fare high density routes (Montreal - Paris is the first route).
AC will continue to offer their Business Pods on other B777s - I think the change is only for these high density monsters.
You can see both configurations here. aircanada.com - Our Fleet - Boeing 777-300ER (77W)
Apparently they will be used on low-fare high density routes (Montreal - Paris is the first route).
AC will continue to offer their Business Pods on other B777s - I think the change is only for these high density monsters.
You can see both configurations here. aircanada.com - Our Fleet - Boeing 777-300ER (77W)
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Gulfstream 550 big boss seat
To give you the honest truth, i do not like the seating in any of the Gulfstreams that I fly.
The leather seats look really nice, but do not work as a eating seat, back is too far back, and gives no support.
As a reclining seat, say 60%, they are so slippy as to provide NO support to the body, so you are always having to push back up. Unless you are a small person and then can curl around, and fir on the actual seat......
As to a almost 100% recline, similar no grip problem.
The divan made up to a almost double bed is better, but not perfect, I can not actually sleep on it.
All crew rest areas I have tried are very bad, noisy often not practical to black out you can hear every word from the cockpit, every galley locker SLAM (you know just what I mean after one flight), every galley call. and not easy to sleep,
The best sleep on board, is actually the P1/P2 seat, plenty of stretch room, a nice side head rest, and no slip seat cover.
Just my 2500 hrs on Glf speaking.....
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The leather seats look really nice, but do not work as a eating seat, back is too far back, and gives no support.
As a reclining seat, say 60%, they are so slippy as to provide NO support to the body, so you are always having to push back up. Unless you are a small person and then can curl around, and fir on the actual seat......
As to a almost 100% recline, similar no grip problem.
The divan made up to a almost double bed is better, but not perfect, I can not actually sleep on it.
All crew rest areas I have tried are very bad, noisy often not practical to black out you can hear every word from the cockpit, every galley locker SLAM (you know just what I mean after one flight), every galley call. and not easy to sleep,
The best sleep on board, is actually the P1/P2 seat, plenty of stretch room, a nice side head rest, and no slip seat cover.
Just my 2500 hrs on Glf speaking.....
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I dislike the face to face BA seats - every time the other person moves it catches your eye - unless you have the screens up and then it feels like you're in a coffin.
And the BA 767 seats are just plain awful - other operators of 767's seem to have a far better product
Personally ANZ Business long haul are the best I've ever seen
And the BA 767 seats are just plain awful - other operators of 767's seem to have a far better product
Personally ANZ Business long haul are the best I've ever seen
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Since the last descriptive post exactly a month ago, I have done:
GVA-LHR-IAH - Upgraded to 1st by BA on the way over due to overbooking in business. I had not flown in BA First before. The surprise is the cabin walls, decorated to look like you are in a train, I think. When the shades are down and the blue lights on, it is really nice. I like the way you are walked from the door to your seat.
Flew Club World back from Houston. Both flights had new higher-definition video screens and a new moving map that is almost impossible to navigate.
GVA-LHR-DAL: Club World on the way over, with low-res screens on a 747. My particularly right-sloping table made a wine glass fall off by gravity and break on the carpet. Flew back on an AA 777-200 which has the older business class seats with a slight slope. I found them very hard, but slept OK. We left Dallas three hours late due to major thunderstorms, so missed my connection and had 3 hours to wait in LHR. Food continues to be great in the Gold lounge.
GVA-ZRH-SFO on the usual 340-300 that takes 12 hours. You save about 45 minutes on that with a 777 or 747. Swiss is not putting in new seats or video on the 340s, waiting until they are replaced by 777s in, I think, 2015. The good news is that there is no longer a security control in Zurich when you come back from the USA. If only that could happen in LHR. I understand it is difficult to determine who has come from which arriving flight. The Zurich solution in terminal E is to get arriving US passengers to go back up onto the boarding level, then take the train back to A/B.
Anyway, the low-res video on the 340s is irritating, so I did not watch any video, preferring my HP ElitePad. It is also irritating that the advertising they run now prevents access to the forward-facing video cameras to look at the take-off. The advertising ends several minutes after take-off. On landing, you no longer control the video and they sometimes remember to turn on the front camera. Also generally annoying that Swiss continues to tell you not to turn on your phone on landing, while BA has joined the various American airlines in alowing it.
Anyway, back to SFO via ZRH on Monday, returning via MUC.
GVA-LHR-IAH - Upgraded to 1st by BA on the way over due to overbooking in business. I had not flown in BA First before. The surprise is the cabin walls, decorated to look like you are in a train, I think. When the shades are down and the blue lights on, it is really nice. I like the way you are walked from the door to your seat.
Flew Club World back from Houston. Both flights had new higher-definition video screens and a new moving map that is almost impossible to navigate.
GVA-LHR-DAL: Club World on the way over, with low-res screens on a 747. My particularly right-sloping table made a wine glass fall off by gravity and break on the carpet. Flew back on an AA 777-200 which has the older business class seats with a slight slope. I found them very hard, but slept OK. We left Dallas three hours late due to major thunderstorms, so missed my connection and had 3 hours to wait in LHR. Food continues to be great in the Gold lounge.
GVA-ZRH-SFO on the usual 340-300 that takes 12 hours. You save about 45 minutes on that with a 777 or 747. Swiss is not putting in new seats or video on the 340s, waiting until they are replaced by 777s in, I think, 2015. The good news is that there is no longer a security control in Zurich when you come back from the USA. If only that could happen in LHR. I understand it is difficult to determine who has come from which arriving flight. The Zurich solution in terminal E is to get arriving US passengers to go back up onto the boarding level, then take the train back to A/B.
Anyway, the low-res video on the 340s is irritating, so I did not watch any video, preferring my HP ElitePad. It is also irritating that the advertising they run now prevents access to the forward-facing video cameras to look at the take-off. The advertising ends several minutes after take-off. On landing, you no longer control the video and they sometimes remember to turn on the front camera. Also generally annoying that Swiss continues to tell you not to turn on your phone on landing, while BA has joined the various American airlines in alowing it.
Anyway, back to SFO via ZRH on Monday, returning via MUC.
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Momo... I find your experience of the tables in CW to be rather interesting. I work almost all my flights in the CW cabin and although I agree that they are not the most stable of tables, I have never seen someones wine glass just "fall off" the end of the table by its self. You must be exceptionally unlucky for this to keep happening on your flights.
As I say, I am not arguing your point, just think you must be exceptionally unlucky.
As I say, I am not arguing your point, just think you must be exceptionally unlucky.
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Being fair...
Being fair... if you put your glass back on the little paper doiley, it does not slide off. Missed it once... And of course the table is flatter if you do not have a PC or the food tray on it.
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New LH seat
Came back from SFO via MUC yesterday. Crew told me it was the first A340-600 fitted with their new business class seats. What a great improvement! Fully flat with quite thick cushions. Big screen. I would have to get out a ruler to tell whether it is as big as the United screens, but I think it is a little smaller. Got 5.5 hours sleep with no back pain or other discomfort. The new table is slightly wider, and quite difficult to put back in the armrest, in that it takes quite a push. Crew were helping other passengers. Took the usual Air Dolomiti flight from MUC to GVA, though crew were grumpy, while I usually find them cheerful.
Is is the best of those I fly on regularly? Not sure. I will be going to SFO again on Sunday, this time via FRA on United, so will compare with my current No. 1.
Is is the best of those I fly on regularly? Not sure. I will be going to SFO again on Sunday, this time via FRA on United, so will compare with my current No. 1.
