More Tax

[Kitsune]

Nice to see that Boy George sneakily introduced an 8% hike in the Aviation Pax Duty Tax (double the rate of inflation) in the small print...not!

How the will this help jobs in the aviation industry?

[flying lid]

Ah ! The Budget

not the nine o'clock news - budget - YouTube

Sneaky with the APD, watched the budget live but missed that bit !!

[mixture]

Nice to see that Boy George sneakily introduced

Ahem, cough, I quote from the Budget 2012 PDF.....

Air Passenger Duty (APD) rates will rise from April 2012, as set out at Autumn Statement 2011

So wasn't quite sneaked in, we were told of it back in the Autumn. There was also an APD consultation in December which you missed too. Finally, you also missed the fact he announced way back in 2011 budget that the RPI increase of APD would be deferred until 2012.

[Heathrow Harry]

someone has to pay

You can't have European services with US taxation unfortunately.......

[pudoc]

I love how the government say "we will need more capacity for aircraft, aviation is growing bigger and bigger". Not with the way you keep increasing your stupid taxes!

Georgey boy completely failed. Next please.

[Callsign Kilo]

BA publisised that the APD rise would reduce their recruitment demands by 50%, not all that long after lauching a pretty widely received recruitment campaign.

Even Willy, Carolyn McCall, whatsus name fom Virgin and soppy bollox O'Leary got together to denounce the government plans. Walsh has been pretty persistent.

Hardly a surprise really. Aviation gets screwed again.

[pabloc]

Aviation...The Government Cash Cow!!!

[pudoc]

Get a petition signed by 100k people, a third of pprune members, and then the issue can then be debated in the house of commons. Then maybe, just maybe, will the government see aviation as something more than a piece of turd and actually appreciate that without aviation the economy would be ****ter (hard to imagine I know!!).

[cargosales]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Nice to see that Boy George sneakily introduced an 8% hike in the Aviation Pax Duty Tax (double the rate of inflation) in the small print...not!

How the will this help jobs in the aviation industry?

Cheer up.

He could have introduced the same rate of tax on aviation industry fuel that motorists have to pay on the petrol that takes them to work and back. And that would have seriously made your eyes water

[Stuart Sutcliffe]

He could have introduced the same rate of tax on aviation industry fuel that motorists have to pay on the petrol that takes them to work and back. And that would have seriously made your eyes water

That would have precipitated the collapse of the travel and business industries in this country, and he knows it!

[Agaricus bisporus]

Wouldn't it be a refreshing change if people in this once-great nation of ours stopped carping and whining and doom-saying (which is 75% of the reason we have this illusory recession just now) and instead looked at the positive side? I'm sick of hearing the endless avalanche of isolated, cherry-picked and often out of context doom that spews from all our media while the positive is studiously ignored.

What about his promise to do something about London Runway capacity then? Doesn't that deserve a cheer in this place? Or the plans to boost investment and manufacturing and technology?

Jesus, if you spout misery and nothing else is it any wonder you all sound so bloody miserable? You've convinced yourselves to be miserable and negative so depression is all but inevitable. Pun intended. There is another way...

[fireflybob]

It's already been said but the APD will mean people won't fly long haul from UK.

Already know 2 cases personally of people flying to Amsterdam and then going long haul from there, thereby saving at least £150 on the total fare, not to mention the drive to LHR since they flew from their local regional airport.

Ironically in one case the a/c from Amsterdam to Barbados landed at Gatwick on the way - so much for "green" taxes.

[Dan Winterland]

Mrs W did just that yesterday. The flight to AMS from EMA was less than the APD. GBP 170 (from April 1st) for a business ticket is ridiculous considering what you get in return - Heathrow terminal 3!

[Dan Winterland]

And what's more it was so easy we will be doing it in future! Another example of the UK tax system actually doing harm to the economy.

[ABBOT]

BA/Iberia advantage.

Maybe AIG could use the APD differential between long and short haul flights to run a short haul feeder service from UK regional airports into Madrid/Barcelona and then use BA/Iberia long haul fleet to proceed on to final destinations. Thus using UK tax policy to give itself a trading advantage and also to boost Spanish economy

[stallspeed]

"What about his promise to do something about London Runway capacity then? Doesn't that deserve a cheer in this place? Or the plans to boost investment and manufacturing and technology?"

'We'll have to increase taxes to get by' and ' We have to raise our pay to get by ' are the *only* promises where you can count on politicians to make good on, anything else is they promise is usually jes' plain BS ...

[crewmeal]

And it's going up again next year!

Budget 2012: Air Passenger Duty rise confirmed - Telegraph

Be sure if someone else farts in the Middle East then fuel will go up again on top of the 3p tax in August.

[Kitsune]

So, Agaricus, you believe that when a politician says he 'promises to do something about' a problem, this will result in the problem being fixed. As opposed to the 'setting up a committee/digesting the committees conclusion/asking for consultations/digesting the consultations conclusions/kicking it into the long grass now the public have forgotten about it..' a bit like say, 'we will clear the deficit within the life of this parliament' or 'an end to boom and bust'.

Keep wearing your tinfoil hat dear, nursey will be along soon with your lithium...

[Agaricus bisporus]

Leming .

[hapzim]

Here are the current rates of APD Air Passenger Duty (UK only): An excise duty charged on the carriage of passengers flying on an aircraft with an authorized take off weight of more than ten tonnes or more than twenty seats. Due when the aircraft first takes off on the passenger’s flight and is payable by the aircraft operator. plus the increased rates applicable from April 1, 2012, and also from April 1, 2013:

BAND A (0-2,000 miles, includes Europe)

Economy

From April 1 2011: £12

From April 1 2012: £13

From April 1 2013: £13



Non-economy

From April 1 2011: £24

From April 1 2012: £26

From April 1 2013: £26

BAND B (2,001-4,000 miles, includes North America and Middle East)

Economy

From April 1 2011: £60

From April 1 2012: £65

From April 1 2013: £67

Non-economy

From April 1 2011: £120

From April 1 2012: £130

From April 1 2013: £134

BAND C (4,001-6,000 miles, includes South America, China and India)

Economy

From April 1 2011: £75

From April 1 2012: £81

From April 1 2013: £83

Non-economy

From April 1 2011: £150

From April 1 2012: £162

From April 1 2013: £166

BAND D (over 6,000 miles, includes Australasia, Malaysia and Indonesia)

Economy

From April 1 2011: £85

From April 1 2012: £92

From April 1 2013: £94

Non-economy

From April 1 2011: £170

From April 1 2012: £184

From April 1 2013: £188

Source: HM Revenue & Customs