Passengers & SLF (Self Loading Freight) If you are regularly a passenger on any airline then why not post your questions here?

Sparrow holds up Speedbird

Old 12th Aug 2011, 14:34
  #1 (permalink)  
Registered User **
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Botswana & Greece
Age: 65
Posts: 940
Sparrow holds up Speedbird

I understand from clients that their flight last night BA633 ATH-LHR was delayed 2 hours to catch a sparrow on the flight deck which had apparently gained entry at LHR on the way out. True or false?

I am not sure that I would have delayed for this. I appreciate that it could be distracting if it stared fluttering about at a critical stage of flight. Breadcrumbs laced with brandy on the jump seat could have sedated it.

Anyway, it was a pretty speedy bird on the way out.

Last edited by Exascot; 12th Aug 2011 at 14:47. Reason: Typo
Exascot is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 15:32
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: On the equator
Posts: 1,292
Isn't there some regulation in your part of the world whereby animals on board an aircraft have to be restrained?
training wheels is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 15:47
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: earth
Posts: 1,341
Pretty much everything needs to be restrained for T/O.
grounded27 is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 16:09
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Bristol
Posts: 184
I am not sure that I would have delayed for this.
Wild animal lose in the cockpit, perfectly fine for operating the aircraft...
WillDAQ is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 16:40
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,171
Petty a cat was not available. I wonder what the delay code would be? The Hellenic Air Force uses falcons (the animals not the F-16 to chase birds from the runway.
Rwy in Sight is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 18:08
  #6 (permalink)  

Dog Tired
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: uk
Posts: 1,685
Isn't there some regulation in your part of the world whereby animals on board an aircraft have to be restrained?
Not on UK charter flights to CFU/IBZ/TFS/etc., etc..
fantom is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 18:18
  #7 (permalink)  
Registered User **
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Botswana & Greece
Age: 65
Posts: 940
Isn't there some regulation in your part of the world whereby animals on board an aircraft have to be restrained?
That would apply to many of the pax on charter flights from Spain then

Sorry Fantom posts crossed. We are of the same mind.

Last edited by Exascot; 12th Aug 2011 at 18:22. Reason: posts crossed
Exascot is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 18:22
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: fl
Posts: 2,561
On a Barbados to Miami flight we had a reported bee on board and a passenger allergic to bee bites. I did a quick walk through the cabin and found no bee and took off. Yes, the woman could have been bitten but out of 200 pax how would the bee pick her out? We fly into areas of known thunderstorms so most flights are exposed to some risk. Bees and sparrows seem minor compared to that.
bubbers44 is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 19:16
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: On the dark side of the moon
Posts: 962
A bee in the cabin is one thing. A bird in the flight deck is just a bit more problematic.
J.O. is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 19:21
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: MI
Posts: 570
Gee.....we had an FAA inspector in the cockpit once. Think I would've rather had a sparrow !!
DC-ATE is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 19:50
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: fl
Posts: 2,561
DC-ATE, I agree, a bee or a sparrow is prefferable to an FAA guy in the jump seat. Several times I couldn't do the safest thing because the FAA guy was watching so had to obey the letter of the law. One time in a 737 descending to 8,000 ft the controller said expedite through 9,000, opposite direction traffic at 10,000. Because of the FAA guy I deployed the speedbrakes leveling at 10 to 250 knots to avoid a violation. Only the FAA adminstrator can authorize more than 250 below 10 is what I told the FAA guy quoting their regulations. I was VMC so made sure it wasn't going to require an emergency violation of FAR's. Any other day I would have complied.
bubbers44 is offline  
Old 12th Aug 2011, 22:34
  #12 (permalink)  
Paxing All Over The World
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Hertfordshire, UK.
Age: 64
Posts: 9,402
A bird that $hits on the control panel - so that it all drips down inside? Yes, I'd say that's worth delaying for.
PAXboy is offline  
Old 13th Aug 2011, 15:01
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 121
Reminds us of snakes on a plane movie
james solomon is offline  
Old 14th Aug 2011, 03:36
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: in the heat
Age: 49
Posts: 78
Now.

I see we are talking about the birds and the bees...

Oh and not to mention the sparrow, no problem with the W & B or is it?
JMEN is offline  
Old 14th Aug 2011, 07:29
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Below the stratosphere
Posts: 70
A sparrow fluttering around the flight deck on short finals to minima is probably not over helpful.

Good call, even if inconvenient for all.
Three Thousand Rule is offline  
Old 14th Aug 2011, 08:20
  #16 (permalink)  

the lunatic fringe
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Everywhere
Age: 64
Posts: 617
A sparrow is small enough to get amongst the rudder pedals, into the avionics, and everywhere in between. Plenty of cooling ducts, spaces, and the less than happy thought of a frightened, crapping bird flying around the flight deck just as you get airborne... then an engine fails.... distracted, and it gets messy... the lawyers are going to get medieval on you.

Not even a debate. Find the bird or we don't go flying.
L337 is offline  
Old 14th Aug 2011, 12:03
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seat 0A
Posts: 8,129
no problem with the W & B or is it?
None, provided it stays "airborne". But as soon as it lands on the coaming panel, wind in that back trim quick or you're done-for!
Capn Bloggs is offline  
Old 14th Aug 2011, 14:24
  #18 (permalink)  
Registered User **
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Botswana & Greece
Age: 65
Posts: 940
It wasn't a snake

Exascot is offline  
Old 14th Aug 2011, 21:32
  #19 (permalink)  

the lunatic fringe
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Everywhere
Age: 64
Posts: 617
None, provided it stays "airborne". But as soon as it lands on the coaming panel, wind in that back trim quick or you're done-for!
Only if you are unpressurized..... :-) I dimly think.
L337 is offline  
Old 16th Aug 2011, 05:14
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 170
Distracting...stuck behind rudder peddles, bird poo dripping into switches yadda yadda yadda

Its a sparrow, not a golden eagle with diarrhea.
I think some of the comments are a little over the top. If that is going to distract you to risk the aircraft, I would suggest you are a little highly strung or a prima-donna artiste.

You don't fly with a bird in the cockpit because...you just don't. No rhyme or reason. Its called common sense.
Spunky Monkey is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.