BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions V
I find the proposal to disband BASSA & CC89 to be replaced by one Unite branch at LHR and a separate Unite branch together with new NSPs ,whatever they are (LB?), quite interesting. I wonder if this is Len's way of stopping the BASSA tail wagging Unite's tail? Perhaps this is Len's win out of all this?
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I think it is a good move. I actually respect Unite as a union, it's just BASSA and CC89 that I have lost repect for and I felt they had got too powerful and had stopped representing the majority of their members.
I will wait and see what happens but I might rejoin in the future if the people at the top change to ones I could trust.
I will wait and see what happens but I might rejoin in the future if the people at the top change to ones I could trust.
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It is where the senior reps from all the different branches (or workplaces/areas) have tea and cake, then pop in to a meeting to run the Airline, if you believe what is said on here.
I'll assume its the part I quoted - some sort of inter union liaison committee?
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In this case, I think NSP refers to the groups of reps that discuss different issues with BA. In the NSP both BASSA and Amicus(Cc89) had reps. BASSA had a larger number. I believe there are different NSP's to discus different subjects but all that is about to change.
My manager has told me that prior to the strike sixteen different meetings a month took place with BASSA. This is going to be reduced to one a month and that sounds good to me.
My manager has told me that prior to the strike sixteen different meetings a month took place with BASSA. This is going to be reduced to one a month and that sounds good to me.
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Surely every member of the SLF thread should be happy that getting to their destination will be unaffected by industrial action (acceptance depending)?
I am sure, Litebulbs, that any SF worth his/her salt is/was perfectly capable of finding alternative carriers during the entire dispute.
The trouble is that many former BA pax will not return to flying with a company which has had such an appalling, demoralised and dispirited cabin attendant work force up to now.
I see BA having to shell out for a lot of advertising and other blandishments to tempt business passengers back into the fold.
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Litebulbs has told us that:
Err yes - and what about the removal of a cabin crew operative from each flight? Have we already conveniently forgotten that as a cause de guerre?
As far as I am aware, the dispute was due to the financial state of the company, not about its service standards. You will get good and bad service from all fleets.
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Originally Posted by chow
The trouble is that many former BA pax will not return to flying with a company which has had such an appalling, demoralised and dispirited cabin attendant work force up to now.
Premium and absolute passenger numbers have been improving even despite the threat of IA.
The "relaunch", and of IA and improved BASSA-interference free customer experience (hot towels in WT+ anyone?) can only help that.
The bottom line is that most BA cabin crew stuck to their knitting and continued to deliver good service. That was my experience on over 120 BA flights during the course if this action. Those that did not, well, a new culture of performance assessment will see to that. And Mixed Fleet, once bedded in, will prove to be a boon for passenger service, equal to, if not exceeding, the others fleets in terms of service.
This is a real opportunity for customers to become central to what BA is all about, and I commend it wholeheartedly.
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Premium and absolute passenger numbers have been improving even despite the threat of IA.
Chuchinchow is right, though, once a company loses a loyal customer, it is hard work to reclaim them.
I asked you a few posts back if you work for BA and I notice you did not respond.
I put it to you that you know little about the real workings of an airline and that you might be better to refrain from posting such definitive comments about the situation at BA and listen to Betty Girl (and other employees) who actually understand what they are talking about.
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Surprised no one commented on this
BBC News - BA strike: Airline and union agree to end dispute
Glad that an end is in sight for the sake of everyone who works at BA.
One representative at the meeting, Duncan Holley, said there had been a "wind of change" at BA under new chief executive, Keith Williams.
Mr Holley, who was one of those sacked by the airline during the dispute, said the airline had taken some "brave steps", and the union should match those brave steps.
Mr Holley, who was one of those sacked by the airline during the dispute, said the airline had taken some "brave steps", and the union should match those brave steps.
Glad that an end is in sight for the sake of everyone who works at BA.
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Originally Posted by jimd-f
we don't seem to have had any real reports yet of what happened at todays meeting. did DH say anything?
Originally Posted by The Holley
What have you got?
1. A permanent contractual top up payment if you are out of pocket through routes going to mixed fleet - plus a review of fairness of distribution.
2. Staff travel back in it's entirety. (Remember that was only happening over WW's dead body).
3. No more VCCs
4. Independant binding arbitration for all discips and sackings
5. Your union back as before with reps in offices etc
6. a pay deal the same as the pilots
7. no new redeployment agreement
8. A guarantee that your agreements will be honoured as long as you remain employed at LHR as cabin crew.
9. Transfer rights and part-time tights restored on a vacancy led sytem
10. In house promotion will continue
There is probably more but I am still trying to calm down after coming in from a fantastic meeting and reading your post, but I will say this to you this my friend -
What you really have got out of this dispute is something that is not tangible, nor will it be of much financial benefit.
It is something that money cannot buy - it is called dignity pride and respect and that means because of the stand you took, BA will now be treating you like human beings - you have earned the admiration of the trade union world and even the media who today were full of praise for what we have all done.
And finally you will have learnt the value of unity, comradeship and togetherness that can only be achieved by standing up side by side to be counted in extreme adversity.
I have lost a lot of things during this dispute but i am so proud not only of myself but so proud in those of you who had the guts, the courage and the loyalty to back me, back BASSA and most importantly back yourself. I would do it all again, I suspect even with hindsight so would most of you.
Perhaps some new uniform requirement for legacy crew?
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What you really have got out of this dispute is something that is not tangible
Reading between the lines, the return of ST ("over WW's dead body") is the item that makes this an "honourable" deal.
BASSA have (in their view) an element of revenge in that they perceive WW will be unhappy.
What they are (perhaps conveniently) missing is that ST will be returned only in exchange for a sea-change in industrial relations.
In my view, ST removal was always meant as a strike deterrent, not as a punishment. No need for such a policy going forward if industrial relations are finally normalised.
Once again, sound strategy from BA, with BASSA seemingly missing the point.
BASSA have (in their view) an element of revenge in that they perceive WW will be unhappy.
What they are (perhaps conveniently) missing is that ST will be returned only in exchange for a sea-change in industrial relations.
In my view, ST removal was always meant as a strike deterrent, not as a punishment. No need for such a policy going forward if industrial relations are finally normalised.
Once again, sound strategy from BA, with BASSA seemingly missing the point.
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Once again, sound strategy from BA, with BASSA seemingly missing the point.
Glad it's all over & looking forward to massive improvements in the overall BA product.
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the return of ST ("over WW's dead body") is the item that makes this an "honourable" deal.
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Yorkshiretyke,
Did you not work for BA for very long then!
As I understand staff travel for retirees is that you keep your concessions for the same length of period that you worked for BA.
So if you retired at 60 and had worked for BA for 25 years you would keep your staff travel until you were 85, 35 years employment would mean you would keep them until 95 years old! It is only those that never worked for BA for very long that will lose them early.
I do agree that it is a shame this change has been done retrospectively but overall staff travel for retired staff is still a great thing to have been able to enjoy and still a great benefit. I am sad for you that due to your lack of service length you are being affected by this change. I think you are still able to take advantage of Hotline tickets though.
Good luck in your retirement
Did you not work for BA for very long then!
As I understand staff travel for retirees is that you keep your concessions for the same length of period that you worked for BA.
So if you retired at 60 and had worked for BA for 25 years you would keep your staff travel until you were 85, 35 years employment would mean you would keep them until 95 years old! It is only those that never worked for BA for very long that will lose them early.
I do agree that it is a shame this change has been done retrospectively but overall staff travel for retired staff is still a great thing to have been able to enjoy and still a great benefit. I am sad for you that due to your lack of service length you are being affected by this change. I think you are still able to take advantage of Hotline tickets though.
Good luck in your retirement
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The way Duncan is spinning the deal means he is out to gain something personally
Dunc needs Unite to be nice to him. His future depends on Unite for either or both of the following two reasons:
1. Accounts.
2. Job.
So of course he is fully behind the deal because of the 'winds of change' that have blown through BA and can declare a moral victory with benefits that are 'not tangible'. He will be towing the Unite line with horrible and hypocritical tenacity for the foreseeable future. Watch and retch.
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