BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions V
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I have seen men (or boys if you like), still this week who have a list of all the non strikers and VCC on them at work. Why do these idiots still work for BA, leave now please 
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BA is indeed moving forward. Cabin crew were encouraged to vote yes to "send a message". Well BA has sent one back that it isn't going to put the world on hold whilst BASSA throws a hissy fit.
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I have no dispute with baggers' interpretation. 
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Given the statements about BA having agreed crewing on the 787 and A380, does this mean that BASSA have now got yet another issue to add to their pile to ballot for strike action on ? After all, BA done been nasty and talked directly to cabin crew. Don't they know only BASSA can talk to cabin crew ??
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Sometimes I feel like an idiot trying to maintain the moral high ground, by standing on a bucket in a pool of quicksand!
Diplome wrote:
Litebulbs:
I don't see you as an individual who tries to defend the indefensible..not in the least.
You have a firm belief that an honourable Union, acting in the best interests of its members is a valuable entity.
I believe many here share your belief.
I don't see you as an individual who tries to defend the indefensible..not in the least.
You have a firm belief that an honourable Union, acting in the best interests of its members is a valuable entity.
I believe many here share your belief.
mrpony wrote:
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Bo**ocks to the daily-mailers. Your consistent and self-effacing balancing commentary is appreciated by more people than you think.
Bo**ocks to the daily-mailers. Your consistent and self-effacing balancing commentary is appreciated by more people than you think.
Especially in the context mrpony used it. 
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Beyond the horizon
With the potential information emerging from BASSA's 1997 history, current missing accounts, minutes, etc., coupled with their apparent inability to find anyone to talk to, it would appear that the only likely event still to happen is for some misguided souls to go on strike and be fired, which presumably would get rid of the remaining hardcore militants.
However, this would still leave the CC89 branch, which have recently been following the same style of leadership and responses as those of BASSA, although probably from a SWP background rather than one of paranoia. This element could presumably be directly squashed by Unite as a straight forward branch disciplinary matter, to bring it into line.
This could then produce one new CC branch for Unite, for it would not seem sensible to allow the old branch titles to continue, given the attached baggage.
So that only leaves a couple of questions -
1) Given Mclusky's current declared wish to have all and sundry go on
strike for various reasons, is it really a good idea for BA to have all their
CC tied up in a new union setup of this nature or -
2) Give PCCC recognition rights to MF and Unite for rest or -
3) Allow a free for all between PCCC and Unite.
It would also be nice if, whatever was agreed, that the union parties involved would publicly declare the full financial details of their operations, to ensure that there were no dark corners remaining.
Hope springs eternal as they say - who's Hope, did I hear you ask!
However, this would still leave the CC89 branch, which have recently been following the same style of leadership and responses as those of BASSA, although probably from a SWP background rather than one of paranoia. This element could presumably be directly squashed by Unite as a straight forward branch disciplinary matter, to bring it into line.
This could then produce one new CC branch for Unite, for it would not seem sensible to allow the old branch titles to continue, given the attached baggage.
So that only leaves a couple of questions -
1) Given Mclusky's current declared wish to have all and sundry go on
strike for various reasons, is it really a good idea for BA to have all their
CC tied up in a new union setup of this nature or -
2) Give PCCC recognition rights to MF and Unite for rest or -
3) Allow a free for all between PCCC and Unite.
It would also be nice if, whatever was agreed, that the union parties involved would publicly declare the full financial details of their operations, to ensure that there were no dark corners remaining.
Hope springs eternal as they say - who's Hope, did I hear you ask!
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Lots of people on this thread have been confidently predicting that X will be revealed on such and such a date._ It is then embarrassing that this tantalising piece of information called X (accounts, EAT result etc) does not come forth.
I can now confidently predict that within the next five days there will be a relevant piece of information that will come from either Unite or BASSA or from some Officer or Spokesperson of such organisation.
Correction - wherever I have used the sexist word Spokesperson, please change this to Spokesperoffspring.
I can now confidently predict that within the next five days there will be a relevant piece of information that will come from either Unite or BASSA or from some Officer or Spokesperson of such organisation.
Correction - wherever I have used the sexist word Spokesperson, please change this to Spokesperoffspring.
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But under the Harman equality act, I did not believe that you could use this expression, as Audi had copyrighted this in German throughout the EU and also other American connections, something about 'Doorsprings' ?. I may be wrong of course. 
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I can now confidently predict that within the next five days there will be a relevant piece of information that will come from either Unite or BASSA or from some Officer or Spokesperson of such organisation.
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From another Forum ... BBC says that Unite and BA have extended talks for another 28 days.
Looking for the link ... Joint statement by Unite the union and British Airways
Looking for the link ... Joint statement by Unite the union and British Airways
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I can now confidently predict that within the next five days there will be a relevant piece of information that will come from either Unite or BASSA or from some Officer or Spokesperson of such organisation.
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Interesting view on things ...
LD12986 ... Here its down to Len McC.
BettyGirl ... Over there its down to KW being in charge.
I think the SLF should strike over the lack of clarity
LD12986 ... Here its down to Len McC.
BettyGirl ... Over there its down to KW being in charge.
I think the SLF should strike over the lack of clarity
I can now confidently predict that within the next five days there will be a relevant piece of information that will come from either Unite or BASSA or from some Officer or Spokesperson of such organisation.
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Another great analysis, baggersup.
How does Holley fit into the equation? I'm assuming he's marginalised by Unite at the moment, so how does Len McC or anyone else prevent him from kicking off again [to prolong the dispute and his BASSA salary]?
How does Holley fit into the equation? I'm assuming he's marginalised by Unite at the moment, so how does Len McC or anyone else prevent him from kicking off again [to prolong the dispute and his BASSA salary]?
Interesting to see a whole lot of assumptions implictly being made about the outcome ....
The above does NOT mean that the cabin crew demands will be met in any way whatsoever, yet I sense that a lot of posters are assuming this ..... or maybe its just my assumption.
The listed issues are of just as much import to BA, namely the non-interference in internal procedures for staff discipline, and the fact that the clocks cannot be turned back and BA legacy crew (or whatever they are called) are going to have to accept the gravy train has left the station and their lifestyle is going to have to suffer.
Just my views - I doubt that KW will give anything away that WW fought to defend.
A lasting settlement will require resolution on matters important to cabin crew:
The listed issues are of just as much import to BA, namely the non-interference in internal procedures for staff discipline, and the fact that the clocks cannot be turned back and BA legacy crew (or whatever they are called) are going to have to accept the gravy train has left the station and their lifestyle is going to have to suffer.
Just my views - I doubt that KW will give anything away that WW fought to defend.
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Interesting view on things ...
LD12986 ... Here its down to Len McC.
BettyGirl ... Over there its down to KW being in charge.
I think the SLF should strike over the lack of clarity
LD12986 ... Here its down to Len McC.
BettyGirl ... Over there its down to KW being in charge.
I think the SLF should strike over the lack of clarity
When Len was campaigning for Gen Sec it suited him to align himself with BASSA to make a name for himself during the dispute. Lizanne Malone and Duncan Holley are on the record as holding out for Len to take over from Tony Woodley so BASSA could up the ante against BA.
Now Len is Gen Sec he is faced with the decision to call a strike that could expose Unite to ruinous litigation and be ineffective. He really has no choice but to get a deal from BA that he can present to BASSA without losing too much face.