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BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions V

Old 12th May 2011, 13:30
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What's the deal with the volunteer crew? Do they keep them or not?
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Old 12th May 2011, 13:32
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There was a diehard interviewed on 5live just now who was very satisfied with everything that has been 'achieved' by the Union but was unhappy that Willie Walsh was still the boss.

That's a cracker. Innit.
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Old 12th May 2011, 13:34
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Mmmmmm.

Big difference between being allowed to join and being represented by. Baggersup points out the salient implication of income stream.

I guess it's also syonara time for the PCCC, if Unite ties up mixed fleet, their % of the workforce will be unassailable.

Also, what do the loyal staff who worked through the industrial action get for their loyalty?

At least it looks as if sanity is being slowly restored, a corporate entity like this cannot have industrial troubles with several thousand employees on an ongoing basis, it looks really bad for the brand.
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Old 12th May 2011, 13:53
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Regarding Mixed Fleet and union membership, Mixed Fleet is a lower paid and more transient workforce with no seniority, so they will be less prepared to pay £15 a month to Unite than other crews who have an interest in union representation to protect their career earnings.
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Old 12th May 2011, 13:57
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I note that the union have several things to implement, then:

Once these new working relationships are fully implemented, I will
recommend to the Board the full restoration of staff travel concessions to
crew who went on strike last year.
It appears there are rumblings at Bedfont about abandoning of all dispute litigation and the fact the mid fleet is still going to be a stand alone fleet and will continue to take routes. We don't know how strong these rumblings are or how many, but no doubt the death of BASSA will be a bitter pill for some to swallow.
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Old 12th May 2011, 14:15
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It's funny what watching the news does. I've just had remind myself that there was no option available to Len other than to accept what BA offered in the hope that it could be made to look 'honourable' and fair with suitably cheerful wrapping paper, and a nice ribbon.

There was no option to strike.

For a moment, Len had me going.
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Old 12th May 2011, 14:18
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No element of "revenge" for the BASSA hardliners in the proposed settlement that they evidently so long-for.

Rumblings at Bedfont maybe a sign that a postal ballot will result (yet again) in a rejection. Here's hoping the apathetic abstainers will have the wherewithal to actually vote this time and a resounding yes is returned.

A BASSA supporter on Sky opined that no settlement would have been possible with WW. In a way I think he's right - the union have so personalised this dispute and demonised WW to the extent that I doubt anything WW proposed (other perhaps than his own resignation) would ever have been accepted by the "faithful"
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Old 12th May 2011, 14:25
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Mariner 9.........

.........what makes you think BASSA would have accepted WW's resignation?
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Old 12th May 2011, 14:26
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I guess this means the end of the PCCC - it has missed its moment through it's own timidity. What a shame, it had lots of potential; an opportunity to break out from the confrontational approach to IR that BASSA represents. Now the issue has been dealt with and UNITE will represent Cabin Crew, there will be no impetus or reason to join a shadowy group that failed to show the moral courage (perhaps for very good reasons) to step into the light.

A missed opportunity I would say, and sadly, I suspect, we will revisit the whole sorry saga of cabin crew in dispute with the company within the next 5 years. BA has missed a once in a generation chance to reset it's relations with the CC unions.
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Old 12th May 2011, 14:29
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over to you DH.....

So the union is going to recommend agreement by its members, and sacked reps will not be reinstated. BASSA and CC89 will be merged to create one branch... called Unite.

I wonder how long it will now take for DH to do the honorable thing, and offer his immediate resignation?

The battle is over, he is not a BA employee, will not be BA employee, and as I understand the rules, once the ballot result is in, he cannot continue to represent its members.

Tomatoes are calling.....
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Old 12th May 2011, 15:01
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Well hopefully today is the start of the break-out of peace between BA and some of its cabin crew.

I do not think BA have been in any way unfair to their VCC or staff who worked through the strikes, so I really hope they are comfortable with todays news. Hopefully Betty Girl will give us her views later. They will also benefit in the long run from the productivity increase in pay as it was promised any better deal would also go to people who signed the earlier agreement (if targets are met), and have played a huge part in the survival and future success of their company.

Dont want to sound too personal but I dont think some BASSA reps will be sorely missed by either side of this dispute.
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Old 12th May 2011, 15:09
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Well done to those cabin crew who stood their ground. They can be proud of what they've achieved, despite the BA PR machine doing its utmost to demonise them and create tensions between their own workforce.

I think BA knew they were on a hiding to nothing regarding the staff travel anyway. It must really piss some people off that Walsh promised the volunteers that they wouldn't get it back! He can't help himself that one.

Is it coincidence that as soon as he moves on, Williams speaks with BASSA and a deal is agreed?

Again, well done to the cabin crew and also Keith William's team.
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Old 12th May 2011, 15:14
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Still confused about the position of the VCC Fleet created by BA. Now that they have created them, is it the case that they now run this fleet down following the (apparent) resolution to the dispute? Is there someone here who can illuminate?
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Old 12th May 2011, 15:16
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“Walsh is no finance person and is very emotionally driven. Keith is very driven, level-headed and straightforward,” one headhunter says. “They make a dynamic team. They work perfectly.” For his own part, Williams has spoken recently about his relationship with Walsh. “I know what he’s thinking and I know he knows what I’m thinking: we’ve had a pretty close relationship,” he told Bloomberg.
Keith was standing at Willie's shoulder as the hard and controversial decisions were made, feeding him the financial info. and supporting him. They've done a great good/bad cop act and have got virtually everything they wanted. And they all love Keith! Brilliant.
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Old 12th May 2011, 15:23
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“Walsh is no finance person and is very emotionally driven. Keith is very driven, level-headed and straightforward,” one headhunter says. “They make a dynamic team. They work perfectly.” For his own part, Williams has spoken recently about his relationship with Walsh. “I know what he’s thinking and I know he knows what I’m thinking: we’ve had a pretty close relationship,” he told Bloomberg.
Keith was standing at Willie's shoulder as the hard and controversial decisions were made, feeding him the financial info. and supporting him. They've done a great good/bad cop act and have got virtually everything they wanted. And they all love Keith! Brilliant.

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Old 12th May 2011, 15:26
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I wonder how much better off the BASSA members feel now, compared with two years ago?
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Old 12th May 2011, 15:32
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Hi Betty,
Now that VCC are to be disbanded, it will mean that they will not be flying as cabin crew in order to maintain "recency"._ This will mean that those job-slots will become free for permanent cabin crew (either Mixed Fleet or any other)._ Therefore the current overmanning of cabin crew should be at an end and BettyGirl will not be short of work.
Keep safe, NotLangley
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Old 12th May 2011, 15:44
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Well done to those cabin crew who stood their ground. They can be proud of what they've achieved, despite the BA PR machine doing its utmost to demonise them and create tensions between their own workforce.

I think BA knew they were on a hiding to nothing regarding the staff travel anyway. It must really piss some people off that Walsh promised the volunteers that they wouldn't get it back! He can't help himself that one.

Is it coincidence that as soon as he moves on, Williams speaks with BASSA and a deal is agreed?

Again, well done to the cabin crew and also Keith William's team.
The return of staff travel in full was part of the previous offer agreed between WW and TW and BA was never going to let this side issue hold up a settlement.

The offer agreed between KW and LM actually has far more strings attached: a complete restructuring of the branches and relations between BA and Unite. Crew reps have to deliver on their side rather than make empty promises.

The deal is actually worse for the branches and crew than the previous offer. If it's easier to swallow because crew think Keith is a nice guy then so be it but it's absolutely clear from the terms of the offer that Keith is no fool and he understands exactly what BA has been up against.
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Old 12th May 2011, 15:45
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The offer agreed between KW and LM actually has far more strings attached: a complete restructuring of the branches and relations between BA and Unite.
This was probably a union win from BA
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Old 12th May 2011, 16:02
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LD12986 - As a real self-loader, I admit to not knowing the detail. Looking at things at a general level, it seems to me that compromise has been given on both parties - something which Walsh has never done in his career.

Regardless, this is a real opportunity for BA to clean up their brand and move on. I fear this will be hard to achieve in the immediate future whilst both sides claim the pyrrhic victory.

What I will predict however, it will get alot quieter in this section of PPRuNe shortly!! Crew bashing might even stop to a trickle from now on!
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