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BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions IV

Old 8th Feb 2011, 14:42
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you could not make this up....!

re-arrange the words

piss-up BASSA arrange couldn't a brewery in a

For how long has it been clear to all and sundry who care to look into the detail of this that it would be unprotected... and only now, 3 days before the time limit expires does the union care to tell its members.

shameful representation.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 14:48
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Baggersup

My theory assumes there is a cunning plan
..................................& that cunning plan is?

Having read Len's missive on the CC thread it looks as thought the next ballot will also ultimately be declared illegal. It's like watching mice on a treadmill.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 14:55
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What next

Whatever next - so this time its the fault of the ERS not BASSA, not Unite. tum tee tum. If Unite/Bassa were so confident that it is just British Airways interpretation that the ballot was invalid and that the strikers wouldnt be protected why not trip along to the High Court and contest it....Or perhaps the legal coffers are so empty after last year..........One wonders what can be balloted on for industrial action next....could it be "MF have hats and we dont" - thats discrimination.!!!!!! All out.......I wonder if the delaying tactics are that it is not Tomato Growing season yet and DH would have little to post about until such time that it is......
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 15:26
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Two words

Shameful, Desperate.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 15:29
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Unite statement

Truly and completely unbelievable spin and tosh from Len.

What are the Bassa faithful going to do now? I really can't believe that 5700 people will still be willing to vote on the advice and with the leadership of DuncLen. I've read all the groupthink theories and mob mindset hypotheses and the only thing left by way of explanation to myself is that they are just too stupid to see the truth.

Has anyone got a better explanation?
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 16:06
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baggersup

It's a sad situation. By this time I expect pride has become the biggest fly in the ointment. Whilst it would be clearly be impossible for DuncLen to back down perhaps this latest balls-up will convince enough of the remaining Bassa membership to leave and make the dysfunctional 'rump' that's left small enough to be ineffectual, and ultimately derecognised. It would only take a few thousand more to up sticks and Bassa would be a memory.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 16:14
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The long duration of this dispute is informing that trust has broken down between the company and a large section of the workforce.

Until that is fixed, this industrial saga will run and run.

The union can keep the pressure on with the uncertainty of strikes and the company can use legal interventions to try to prevent them.

What we do not know is the impact of this on IAG's financial objectives.

But one thing is for sure, I won't be booking flights on BA whilst there is a risk of a strike, as I cannot really justify taking any risks (e.g. the short haul connections, which are more vulnerable to disruption than the long haul flights), when other airlines are running normally.

I wonder how many other people are taking the same view?
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 16:36
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Originally Posted by Joao da Silva
But one thing is for sure, I won't be booking flights on BA whilst there is a risk of a strike, as I cannot really justify taking any risks (e.g. the short haul connections, which are more vulnerable to disruption than the long haul flights), when other airlines are running normally.

I wonder how many other people are taking the same view?
Honestly not bothered, Joao ... although I do recognise that some SH sectors may be affected.

Personally, we flew for leisure through "Strike 3" and "Strike 4" last Spring with minimum inconvenience and, apart from a skip-load of rescheduling, our SH and LH sectors all happened as planned. I have long since reinstated Company travel with BA.

I have forward bookings with BA [LH and connecting SH] up to late Oct, and I'm not in the least bit concerned. However, I will accept that some routes may be more vulnerable than others.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 16:52
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McCluskey's missive is just like a Hippopotamus with diorrhea! When they bring forth they use their tail to splash it all over the place just to mark their place in the water and its surrounds. McCluskey is clearing a fool who spouts like a winner but is a loser. We know it and he knows it.

He must be seething that BA have made him look like a total twit, which is why he has written such BS rubbish - in a tone trying to set out his legless stall. How does he see DH now? Because that poor excuse for a Bassa general must give him the creeps - if it doesn't it should.

His absolute twaddle only goes to prove what everyone knows, but IF Andrew Neil did accede to a McCluskey's condition not to mention BA or BASSA I would be surprised. AN does not usually fall in with that kind of tosh ......but you never do know!!

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Old 8th Feb 2011, 17:15
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But one thing is for sure, I won't be booking flights on BA whilst there is a risk of a strike, as I cannot really justify taking any risks (e.g. the short haul connections, which are more vulnerable to disruption than the long haul flights), when other airlines are running normally.

I wonder how many other people are taking the same view?
Sorry old chap but I totally disagree. Like MPN11, I have flights booked up until October & will be booking LHR-CPT when I return from Grenada next month.

Bassa/ Unite are thrashing around in a very smelly cess pit of their own making. I don't think that BA/ IAG will be too worried about the result of any future ballots.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 17:42
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I'm impressed with the delay.

Would you bassa types please delay until mid August, when I've booked a return to the USA with some friends.

I would really like to fly on a plane with VCC, "strike breakers", and no bassa-types.

(er, thinking of some of the regulars on here) I'm afraid that I live near lhr, so lgw is not a good option)
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 17:58
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Sorry old chap but I totally disagree. Like MPN11, I have flights booked up until October & will be booking LHR-CPT when I return from Grenada next month.
I don't know why people have to disagree with my decision, since I don't disagree with anyone elses.

We all make decisions in the context of our personal circumstances.

If I was flying long haul point to point, I would be much less worried, but BA's record in supporting short haul is nowhere near as good as long haul.

My boss would simply ask why take any risk with an important business trip, when there are other options; and he would have good reason to ask, as his responsibility is to run the business and deliver results, not worry about an(y) airline.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 18:41
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Joao de Silva

I hope I haven't confused you with my choice of words. We all have differing opinions & the beauty of this forum is that we have the chance to express them.

As well as LH I will also be using SH to fly to Lisbon in July to visit my daughter & family. I will be confidently & happily flying BA.

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Old 8th Feb 2011, 18:45
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@ Joao ...
don't know why people have to disagree with my decision, since I don't disagree with anyone else's. We all make decisions in the context of our personal circumstances.

If I was flying long haul point to point, I would be much less worried, but BA's record in supporting short haul is nowhere near as good as long haul.
Excuse the snip of your post, but you're quite right. It depends on which sectors you're flying, and whether there are alternatives available. In that case, your boss might well have a different opinion, and there's nothing wrong with that.

When all this started, I blocked Company travel with BA because of the uncertainty. Like so many other people, there was at times a NEED to ensure people got from A to B. Experience has shown that for our sectors, and my needs, there's no problem. And I honestly think that now applies to SH as well ... the only serious victim is likely to be UK Domestic, where there are surface transport options available.

You may have a different problem, and I completely understand that.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 18:52
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@ Baggers and RTR ... political? Surely not?

Have there ever been any neatly and expensively printed SWP placards seen on these parades and demonstrations?
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 20:19
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LM has written to BA CC Unite members


To all Cabin Crew Members at British Airways

Dear colleagues


British Airways Cabin Crew Dispute


You will by now have heard that British Airways has once again chosen the legal route to respond to your massive vote to take industrial action.


Their challenge to our ballot via the Electoral Reform Society carries with it a veiled threat that any action taken by our members would be unprotected, and although we do not accept their assertions we are conscious that we are dealing with an erratic management who are capable of doing anything.

Having consulted with your representatives we are not prepared to put any of you at risk and have therefore decided not to proceed with action based upon this ballot result. As your General Secretary I share your obvious frustrations.


The company of course are hoping that their latest tactic will debilitate your resolve and make you want to
“give up”. They believe they can “break your spirit”. I know differently.

Over the past 18 months I have witnessed your dignity, your determination and your sense of loyalty to each other. It has truly inspired me, and although I am as frustrated as you obviously will be, I am appealing to you not to fall into the company’s trap. Have faith in your values, your representatives and your union.

The company have already been told that we will ballot our cabin Crew once again and this will begin this month.

We have repeatedly told them that it is only through negotiation, not litigation, that a lasting peace can be achieved. Instead of playing games they would be better served in addressing the grievances of their frontline
staff. Contrary to statements they have made there has been no attempt to try to meet with us to resolve outstanding issues. But sooner or later they will get the message that we are not going away, no matter what
they try to throw at you. And sooner or later they will have to account for the damage they are doing to the British Airways brand.

Your continued support for one another over this difficult period has been a tremendous tribute to you all, your pride and overwhelming determination to secure a just and fair settlement to your grievances; you can remain assured of mine.

Yours sincerely
Len McCluskey
General Secretary

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Old 8th Feb 2011, 21:08
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So Len, it had nothing to do with the risk of Unite being sued then?
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 21:16
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McCluskey spouts forth again and again from the wrong end!

He says:
And sooner or later they will have to account for the damage they are doing to the British Airways brand.
Oh really! What damage has been done? I think its the other way round. This dispute has got no-where - not even for a short while at Bedfont among the tomatoes, pina coladas and the simosas. And just like the oozlam bird they will disappear up their own 'office.'

A new ballot will be hard to effect since they keep getting wrong, and BA know full well it will happen again and again because Unite haven't got their records right and neither has BASSA. AND...........of course, the members will have a massive problem in trying to rally to this incompetent lot again.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 21:26
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I see that the letter confirming the result of the ballot that ended 20 July 2010 was in the form of a letter from the Electoral Reform Ballot Service to Mr Brian Boyd & Mr Brendan Gold of Unite

Whereas the letter confirming the result of the ballot that ended 21 January 2010 was from Mr Brian Boyd & Mr Brendan Gold of Unite

I wonder what it was about the 21 January 2010 letter from the Electoral Reform Ballot Service to Mr Brian Boyd & Mr Brendan Gold of Unite?
Why have Unite suppressed this letter?
Was there something in it?
What are we being protected from seeing?
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 23:39
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Good Evening All.

I would like to ask a question, if I may? Do you thing an employee rep (branch official), should lead or facilitate?

Many have posted that the leadership of the branch in question is...........

But are you calling for a change of leadership, or a change in approach? I am sure many of you would like to see a leadership change, but that does not change the view of thousands.

My personal view is that if you take this site as the popular opinion, it is as confused as many cabin crew. BA going bust is as much of a bum steer as the numerous rallying cries of the branch in question. Employment law is designed about finding a solution; is either party looking for that?
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