BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions III
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Originally Posted by notlangley
I wonder if I might correct you._ Actually the number is 1557._ The extra 1003 were cabin crew who took early retirement (the package was called voluntary redundancy).
However the fact remains they have chosen to leave BA.
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It's not BA, it's ICAG.
BA shares are no longer trading. Shares in the new company start trading on Monday.
I wonder how long the press will take to catch up.
BA shares are no longer trading. Shares in the new company start trading on Monday.
I wonder how long the press will take to catch up.
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Not an accusation that could ever be levelled at you, CCC ... I trust you're well?
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If we are playing the pedantic game then I'm sorry NotLangley but this statement is 100% correct - "2560 members have left BASSA/Unite ..... ".
1557 have stayed with BA and another 1003 have left BA but they have all left BASSA \ Unite.
OK, enough pedantary - with membership down and if BG is correct in "assuming" that most of the non-voters didn't vote because they left the union then numbers are rapidly approaching de-recognition levels.
I think Richard sums it up well and sadly, judging by the postings by MissyM and Moderately Militant (2 x MMs - are they related?), they still seem totally vague and \ or confused in explaining what they are striking about. Lets hope they see sense sooner rather than later.
1557 have stayed with BA and another 1003 have left BA but they have all left BASSA \ Unite.
OK, enough pedantary - with membership down and if BG is correct in "assuming" that most of the non-voters didn't vote because they left the union then numbers are rapidly approaching de-recognition levels.
I think Richard sums it up well and sadly, judging by the postings by MissyM and Moderately Militant (2 x MMs - are they related?), they still seem totally vague and \ or confused in explaining what they are striking about. Lets hope they see sense sooner rather than later.
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I wonder if I might correct you._ Actually the number is 1557._ The extra 1003 were cabin crew who took early retirement (the package was called voluntary redundancy).
ballot 14/12/2009 = 12780 members
ballot 21/1/2011 = 10220 members
People may have left for different reasons, I'm sure there's illness, death and a whole host of other reasons for the lower number, including a large amount from redundancy.
But that was not the point made in the post. My point is that there are 2560 fewer cabin crew in BASSA, which means their ability to affect the rest of the company is diminishing... fast
It is of course also heartening to see the support for industrial action within the union drop from 74% in 2009 to 56.3% of union members in 2011, whilst at the same time the No vote has more than doubled, and the amount of apathy from non voters continues also to rise.
From a passengers point of view this is now a non event. From a passengers point of view this industrial action is now irrelevant. Game over BASSA.
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BBB,
Not sure I said all, maybe some.
Hear are the figures from BA.
Total no of cabin crew 13500
2500 definitely not in union
1579 voted NO
2885 Abstained or did not vote because they were not in the union.
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6964 Did not vote yes
5751 Voted YES
Less than 50%
Rest are probably on Mixed Fleet so not in voting figures.
Quite a lot have left since the strikes started. Upset and disillusioned, our churn rate at the moment is up, mostly due to the strike, this must be making BA happy because Mixed Fleet growing faster because of this.
Not sure I said all, maybe some.
Hear are the figures from BA.
Total no of cabin crew 13500
2500 definitely not in union
1579 voted NO
2885 Abstained or did not vote because they were not in the union.
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6964 Did not vote yes
5751 Voted YES
Less than 50%
Rest are probably on Mixed Fleet so not in voting figures.
Quite a lot have left since the strikes started. Upset and disillusioned, our churn rate at the moment is up, mostly due to the strike, this must be making BA happy because Mixed Fleet growing faster because of this.
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Originally Posted by Richard228
From a passengers point of view this is now a non event. From a passengers point of view this industrial action is now irrelevant. Game over BASSA.
We flew outbound TATL during 'Strike 3', and back during 'Strike 4'. A few re-bookings were necessary, as aircraft/crews came back on-line. No real problems, just a bit of inconvenience.
On the plus side, we flew LHR-IAD on a 744 with just over 20 pax
All credit to BA, the VCC and the loyal staff who made it happen ... as I'm sure they will again.
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Whilst I originally was 100% for BA, the truth of the matter is this whole charade has gone on far too long.
Those fair paying passengers, who have stayed loyal so far, may well throw in the towel to avoid the hassle and extra expense of supporting BA any longer.
Those fair paying passengers, who have stayed loyal so far, may well throw in the towel to avoid the hassle and extra expense of supporting BA any longer.
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Quite a lot have left since the strikes started. Upset and disillusioned, our churn rate at the moment is up, mostly due to the strike, this must be making BA happy because Mixed Fleet growing faster because of this.
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Originally Posted by glad rag
Whilst I originally was 100% for BA, the truth of the matter is this whole charade has gone on far too long.
Those fair paying passengers, who have stayed loyal so far, may well throw in the towel to avoid the hassle and extra expense of supporting BA any longer.
Those fair paying passengers, who have stayed loyal so far, may well throw in the towel to avoid the hassle and extra expense of supporting BA any longer.
Where's the extra expense??
Why can't you spell fare??
BA flies me wherever I need to go, at a decent price and with reasonable service. And it has done that consistently, despite BASSA's tantrums.
The fact that there's a bit of aggravation makes no difference to me/us/my company. I/we fly BA.
fair cop.
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Short haul during a time of disruption may be a bit of a bother, but I'm certainly not going to worry too much about long haul in the big scheme of my travel choices.
I'm very fare that way
glad rag..its all meant in good fun. We don't do too much spell checking here. If we did I would have the vast majority of mine mocked.
I'm very fare that way
glad rag..its all meant in good fun. We don't do too much spell checking here. If we did I would have the vast majority of mine mocked.
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Whilst I originally was 100% for BA, the truth of the matter is this whole charade has gone on far too long.
Those fair paying passengers, who have stayed loyal so far, may well throw in the towel to avoid the hassle and extra expense of supporting BA any longer
Those fair paying passengers, who have stayed loyal so far, may well throw in the towel to avoid the hassle and extra expense of supporting BA any longer
We're backing BA.
PS Don't you ever go to bed Diplome?
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I did post some time ago that I didn't buy into the "Lemmings led by liars" argument with regards to striking crew but now I'm not so sure. Mildy Militant (yet somehow, totally deluded) has managed to post this up on the cabin crew page without the slightest hint of irony:
"Are these acceptable and progressive 21st century industrial relations?
Does it signal a willingness to settle and move on?"
This coming from someone who went on strike over "No negotiation" and has continued to vote for strike action to "show a willingness to move on.".
"Are these acceptable and progressive 21st century industrial relations?
Does it signal a willingness to settle and move on?"
This coming from someone who went on strike over "No negotiation" and has continued to vote for strike action to "show a willingness to move on.".
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I'm another fare paying pax with several BA flights booked over the next 6 months.
Am I worried I won't get to where I need to be? No.
Will I be bothered if the onboard service is not up to par because of VCC? No, because it is perfectly understandable as they do not do the job day in day out.
I am however another one who has given up with BA on the Japan/Singapore routes as the on board experience is just so hit and miss. Some fights are absolutely brilliant, but too many are just average to below average. For the money I have to pay in fares it has to be 'very good'.
Otherwise on every other single flight I take with BA I have never had any cause for complaint.
Am I worried I won't get to where I need to be? No.
Will I be bothered if the onboard service is not up to par because of VCC? No, because it is perfectly understandable as they do not do the job day in day out.
I am however another one who has given up with BA on the Japan/Singapore routes as the on board experience is just so hit and miss. Some fights are absolutely brilliant, but too many are just average to below average. For the money I have to pay in fares it has to be 'very good'.
Otherwise on every other single flight I take with BA I have never had any cause for complaint.
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fincastle:
Sometimes it feels like I don't, last night being one of them.
I have business interests in the States and unfortunately my property manager refuses to operate on Cumbrian time. Sometimes it means late nights, not too often, but often enough. Its why I use that i.v. drip of strong coffee in the morning
Don't you ever sleep diplome?
I have business interests in the States and unfortunately my property manager refuses to operate on Cumbrian time. Sometimes it means late nights, not too often, but often enough. Its why I use that i.v. drip of strong coffee in the morning