BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions III
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Well they are posting on their own sight and speaking to their members.
I don't think there is much that any of us outside Bassa can do but watch this unfold.
I do post my personal opinions and I hope maybe others might agree but the vast majority of cabin crew don't go pprune as it is predominantly a pilot forum foremost and a lot will not have heard of it I'm afraid.
I don't think there is much that any of us outside Bassa can do but watch this unfold.
I do post my personal opinions and I hope maybe others might agree but the vast majority of cabin crew don't go pprune as it is predominantly a pilot forum foremost and a lot will not have heard of it I'm afraid.
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Worth highlighting that another strike has been stopped by the High Court because of technical failures in the ballot process.
BBC News - Two-day strike on DLR halted by High Court injunction
BBC News - Two-day strike on DLR halted by High Court injunction
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Dismissal may be a bit far fetched, but she should have not posted a crew roster on the Internet. It probably breaches the Data Protection Act and there is an obvious personal security risk in posting an individual crew roster online.
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It's actually not that clever. To start with, the offending document details not just one peson, but several people's work arrangements, so from a purely personal safety angle it means that anyone looking at the roster details would know when these staff would be out of the country.
Secondly, the information in question is personal to the individuals concerned, consequently it would probably fall within the remit of the data protection act.
Now you could argue that leaving this around on a photocopier was slack, but there is a degree of trust that one has to have with colleagues. Whoever decided to put this information on a public forum clearly is not worthy of such trust.
Put it another way. If a member of the cabin crew scheduling team were to publish the rosters of the BASSA reps, the union would be baying for blood and expect the instant dismissal of the offender. So how is this action any different ?
Secondly, the information in question is personal to the individuals concerned, consequently it would probably fall within the remit of the data protection act.
Now you could argue that leaving this around on a photocopier was slack, but there is a degree of trust that one has to have with colleagues. Whoever decided to put this information on a public forum clearly is not worthy of such trust.
Put it another way. If a member of the cabin crew scheduling team were to publish the rosters of the BASSA reps, the union would be baying for blood and expect the instant dismissal of the offender. So how is this action any different ?
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Strike or No Strike
Speculation on the CC thread is that between 3000 and 4000 will vote yes for IA. The high end of this range represents 31% of the total of 13,000 CC. While there are varying views the consensus seems to be that this number will carry the vote. We know not all who vote for IA will actually go on strike. If BA takes a hard line as to the consequences of striking, such as termination of employment, the number who would actually strike could be as few as 2000. I assume that there are arguments to suggest that the strike will be “unprotected”. It really does not matter if those arguments would eventually prevail. The mere fact that BA’s position is that the strike is unprotected should discourage all but the most foolish. Would Unite allow a strike to proceed knowing the total lack of any chance of success? If Unite does allow a strike to proceed would it be to once and for all bring BASSA in line. After a failed strike CC may be more willing to accept an offer from BA. Unite has previously told CC members the current offer is the best that can currently be achieved.
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I don't think it matters what Unite does, nor what the ballot says.
BA have not only weathered the tedious, but ultimately effete BASSA "storm", but they've probably achieved far more savings than they could have imagined thanks to the petulant and highly distracting footstomping and squealing of Dunkin, LaLa, etc.
IF there is a strike (and from what we've seen so far, the ballot numbers will have no bearing on the action), I for one hope that any striker is summarily dismissed.
The misery guts that permeate BA cabin crew are there for the taking. Once gone, the airline could once again be a pleasant one to fly.
Oh, and I noticed this little gem from BASSA: "To those who have not voted - If things do not change, your future career prospects are poor and will remain so unless you play your part by voting immediately to secure it. There will not be another opportunity, and there will not even be a strong union if you don't, just an ever expanding mixed fleet and 3 months notice... "
To those that have not voted.... get in there and vote NO to IA for the love of God. Send these hapless reps the message that they are screwing with your livelihoods and - nota bene - not their own.
Roll on Friday.
BA have not only weathered the tedious, but ultimately effete BASSA "storm", but they've probably achieved far more savings than they could have imagined thanks to the petulant and highly distracting footstomping and squealing of Dunkin, LaLa, etc.
IF there is a strike (and from what we've seen so far, the ballot numbers will have no bearing on the action), I for one hope that any striker is summarily dismissed.
The misery guts that permeate BA cabin crew are there for the taking. Once gone, the airline could once again be a pleasant one to fly.
Oh, and I noticed this little gem from BASSA: "To those who have not voted - If things do not change, your future career prospects are poor and will remain so unless you play your part by voting immediately to secure it. There will not be another opportunity, and there will not even be a strong union if you don't, just an ever expanding mixed fleet and 3 months notice... "
To those that have not voted.... get in there and vote NO to IA for the love of God. Send these hapless reps the message that they are screwing with your livelihoods and - nota bene - not their own.
Roll on Friday.
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Roll on Friday indeed.
The 3-4000 former ST losers will almost certainly vote for IA. (It seems to me they see it as their only chance to fight their hated employer BA in revenge for being hugely outmanoevered by BA up to to this point.)
The question is what proportion of the remaining say 5-7000 members will vote no (or bother voting at all
).
All will be revealed tomorrow.
The 3-4000 former ST losers will almost certainly vote for IA. (It seems to me they see it as their only chance to fight their hated employer BA in revenge for being hugely outmanoevered by BA up to to this point.)
The question is what proportion of the remaining say 5-7000 members will vote no (or bother voting at all
).All will be revealed tomorrow.
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19th January 2011 - G-BNLO BA247 Diversion.
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The misery guts that permeate BA cabin crew are there for the taking. Once gone, the airline could once again be a pleasant one to fly.
Then, of course, we shall see DH, who has nothing to lose, egging them all on. The real winners will be the stallholders at Bedfont, vending their beer, burgers, Quiche and Pimm's.
It is all so predictable, and so very sad.
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Depending on how the courts interpret any potential strike, the really big winner could be BA. They might be able to get rid of a significant number of militant crew and get Unite to pay for the privilege.
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I agree entirely, NR.
It's a complete tragedy for the CC who are not thinking this through, thanks to the vitriol being poured out by BASSA and 'friends' in the SWP.
However, we can only guess at outcomes. My shiny sixpence is on a lot of individuals saying "OMG, I didn't expect that to happen" as they collect their P45s.
As always, the "Union Barons" will march off into the sunset, waving a flag with Keir Hardie's cap on it ... and hoping for a return to a Labour Govt to collect their duty peerages.
It's a complete tragedy for the CC who are not thinking this through, thanks to the vitriol being poured out by BASSA and 'friends' in the SWP.
However, we can only guess at outcomes. My shiny sixpence is on a lot of individuals saying "OMG, I didn't expect that to happen" as they collect their P45s.
As always, the "Union Barons" will march off into the sunset, waving a flag with Keir Hardie's cap on it ... and hoping for a return to a Labour Govt to collect their duty peerages.
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The result (is it due tomorrow or Monday?) will be interesting. The history of ballot results previously posted on here showed that about 7,500 voted to strike last time. With 10,000 ballot papers issued this time, BASSA will need a turnout of 90% and a Yes vote of over 80% to match that. In BASSA's favour there are 4,000 odd crew with nothing to lose by voting Yes and Mixed Fleet is now here with no union agreement. On the flipside some non-union members say they have received ballot papers and a lot of momentum may have been lost given the last strike ballot was nearly a year ago.
If there is a sizeable Yes vote I fear BA may start to play hardball. I think Tony Woodley reneging on putting the last offer to members has blown any hope on the part of the company of a negotiated settlement through a ballot of members.
If there is a sizeable Yes vote I fear BA may start to play hardball. I think Tony Woodley reneging on putting the last offer to members has blown any hope on the part of the company of a negotiated settlement through a ballot of members.
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Sorry MPN but the tragedy will be if a small group of extremists continue to think they can hold the rest of the company to ransom. I don't buy into the idea that striking cabin crew are too stupid to know what they are doing - the "lemmings led by liars" explanation is getting a bit repetitive given that cabin crew have such a vital and responsible job in the cabin. Striking cabin crew are isolated within the company, and other departments in BA are queuing up as VCC, for a very simple reason.
Ultimately, it is likely the courts will decide the way forward - always something of a lottery. But if the right numbers come up then don't be surprised to see BA use this as an opportunity to dispense with the services of those cabin crew who continue to go on strike. Previous CEO's have given in and pandered to CC as they knew that any IA would potentially be long and bitter.
As WW said a couple of days ago - "Nonetheless, during a question-and-answer session following the speech he said such labor actions are "always best avoided," but BA has decided to "take a stand" against "inefficiencies" and "unreasonable, bad union behavior."
I can't see why BA will change tack now, even with a new CEO.
Ultimately, it is likely the courts will decide the way forward - always something of a lottery. But if the right numbers come up then don't be surprised to see BA use this as an opportunity to dispense with the services of those cabin crew who continue to go on strike. Previous CEO's have given in and pandered to CC as they knew that any IA would potentially be long and bitter.
As WW said a couple of days ago - "Nonetheless, during a question-and-answer session following the speech he said such labor actions are "always best avoided," but BA has decided to "take a stand" against "inefficiencies" and "unreasonable, bad union behavior."
I can't see why BA will change tack now, even with a new CEO.
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I spoke to a friend of mine who is a CSM on mixed fleet who says they are pretty sure that one of the crews name on the roster is a 30+ year retired veteran who 'gave' the roster to Bassa. Sounds like the truth to me. Bassa would hardly say a mixed fleet crew member had given it to them would they?
Now you could argue that leaving this around on a photocopier was slack, but there is a degree of trust that one has to have with colleagues. Whoever decided to put this information on a public forum clearly is not worthy of such trust.
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Juan Tripp,
The name of the person who that roster belonged to would have been at the top of the roster. The list of names under each trip are the crew that join them on each trip. So the name of the owner of the roster is not on the roster so it can't be this veterans roster if he is among the list of crew shown under one of the destinations.
So this so called veteran, I take it you mean someone who has retired and then rejoined on Mixed Fleet, must have given them someone else's roster. Or it is just someone on Mixed fleet also spreading rumours about one of their own colleagues.
The name of the person who that roster belonged to would have been at the top of the roster. The list of names under each trip are the crew that join them on each trip. So the name of the owner of the roster is not on the roster so it can't be this veterans roster if he is among the list of crew shown under one of the destinations.
So this so called veteran, I take it you mean someone who has retired and then rejoined on Mixed Fleet, must have given them someone else's roster. Or it is just someone on Mixed fleet also spreading rumours about one of their own colleagues.
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The list of names under each trip are the crew that join them on each trip.
If the name of the roster owner isnt included then mixed fleet are flying some very high crew complements!
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OK fair enough, but I don't think you can make assumptions either way about how they obtained it, not very fair on that person.
It is in my view unlikely that if your name is repeated over and over again after each trip as you say it is, that you would ok it being posted on websites for all to see.
Well having had a look, this crew member is in team M3 and her name begins with J. You can clearly see her full name but whether she is the veteran your friend knows or not, she could still just be someone that accidentally left her roster lying around. I personally don't think it's very fair to surmise how they got it.
JT. Thanks for your post on the other thread. Yep it is stressful.
It is in my view unlikely that if your name is repeated over and over again after each trip as you say it is, that you would ok it being posted on websites for all to see.
Well having had a look, this crew member is in team M3 and her name begins with J. You can clearly see her full name but whether she is the veteran your friend knows or not, she could still just be someone that accidentally left her roster lying around. I personally don't think it's very fair to surmise how they got it.
JT. Thanks for your post on the other thread. Yep it is stressful.
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