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Old 28th Aug 2010, 09:48
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Miss M's throw away jovial comment about putting on yellow eye shadow shows either someone who either gives no proper thought to what they are writing before posting or someone who doesn't care that this meeting has been linked to a substantial loss of life

Given the events in the past these people have linked their dispute to (Iwo Jima etc) one really does have to wonder about the moral standards (if any)of the people concerned
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 10:49
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Despite my best efforts to get the union to acknowledge the fact that no one in my household are still members of the union resulting in ballot and newsletters like this still being received.
You can download the whole PDF via a button at the bottom of linked page.

This one is such a cracker I decided to share it with other non-members.!

We have everything this time, ABBA, Vietnam, George Patton, The Argentinean Missing, Psycho the movie and much much more….

But alas, little information of any sensible substance. Indeed it's quite terrible and Unite should know better, it's childish and unprofessional at best and a total disgrace at worst.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 12:07
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The contents of that PDF file = vile.

I wonder if the sacked crew in the picture were asked permission?

I can't say more, as I'll get banned from here for foul language.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 13:55
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What emotional, moronic claptrap in the newsletter. It still amazes me that BA ever recruited such people in the first place.

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Old 28th Aug 2010, 14:00
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Now comparing sacked crew to the missing in Argentina ????..I think my question wondering if these people from BASSA have any moral standards has been answered...clearly none what so ever
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 14:13
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Fincastle, me old mate, my take on this is that the BASSA senior reps, who have a huge vested interest in maintaining the status quo, could not put a coherent sentence together. Instead, they are paying unemployed English graduates to write their copy for them, probably with a bonus for the most vitriolic, sensationalist rabble-rousing vernacular possible.
No doubt a suitable apprenticeship for a tabloid journalist!
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 15:49
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That newsletter says that there is to be a Joint Union Meeting on 6 September at Kempton Park

British Airways CEO is simply not interested in a different deal, he prefers a strike and he wants it now - as soon as possible.
If he does not, he will get his strike, but not necessarily at a time that is so convenient for him. Make sense?
It seems to me that excuses are being cobbled up to explain why no Industrial Action will take place before the upcoming Union elections.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 16:04
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No doubt a suitable apprenticeship for a tabloid journalist!
Assuming that they are going to work for either the Daily Mirror or the Star!

(Hope all is well with you in paradise.)
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 16:38
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@ Finky and Neptune ... what price the concept that there's a close link somewhere to the Socialist Workers' Party and their copywriters?

The disconnect with reality, and the attitude towards management in any form, and the distortion/lies, and general hyperbole?

Just a personal thought ... no substance for the allegation, of course.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 17:33
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Unite's broadsheet

Some odd points that arise from reading the above;

In so many words they say that the union has been decimated and is no longer an effective organisation and, that there are effectively no longer any reps. So far - so good - but then they ask for full or part time volunteers to be reps, no mention of any ideas of election of new reps, so the existing power structure still holds sway and cannot be challenged and nothing will change - so go forward suckers and do your duty!! (without pay?) - and vote as you are told to with a democratic show of hands.

It said that every dismissal or disciplinary action is one sided and totally wrong, wild generalities are being thrown around. Could we therefore see in print, from Unite or Bassa, details of the actions and reasons behind these actions, signed by the persons dismissed or disciplined and the penalties applied, so that we can better judge ourselves. Or of course a brief statement by the 'wronged' parties stating that they did not wish to pursue the matter any further.

I would assume that the idea of Bassa or Unite having a office of any sort in T5 would be totally unacceptable to BA, and that in any event BA's approval would have to be given before any tenancy in T5 was agreed.

Would I be right in assuming that the episode with the milk on bunks and, that of the ditching tape, constitutes industrial sabotage within civil aviation and as such warrants a prison sentence, which also has ramifications for anyone seeking to alter evidence and witnesses statements to any investigating body?

These are just thoughts arising of course, which may be simply due to the rather unprofessional nature of the communication.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 17:41
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Re: The ditching tape. I think this was more cock-up than conspiracy. I agree with the rest of your points.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 18:16
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We seem to get a lot of comments from BASSA members but never hear anything from Amicus members. From what we read the two groups do not seem to agree on anything, Are they happy be associated with what is being published by BASSA,

I wonder if any Amicus members would like comment.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 18:46
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Entaxei says (my bold emphasis)
no mention of any ideas of election of new reps, so the existing power structure still holds sway and cannot be challenged and nothing will change
No doubt the convincing argument will be that WW looks favourably on the idea that new representatives come into being by the system of elections.
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 20:58
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It seems to me that the BASSAmentalists are demonstrating more and more the puerile children they are. How can we determine anything else? Their childish drivel is an indication that they are lost for words - words that have any meaning and sense. A psychiatrist would have a rough time time trying to unravel their twisted minds as they resort to tactics of the desperate trying to impress. Holley was fond of childishness and some like MissM have defensive wall around them in an attempt to protect themselves from the reality of BASSA's forthcoming demise, with nowhere to go because there is no place to run. The door has been bolted and the horse is long gone.

They will play out this fiasco as long as there are a few of them, each giving sustenance to the other. A lost cause. A lost fight and a bunch of lost souls.
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Old 29th Aug 2010, 00:28
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Originally Posted by RTR
It seems to me that the BASSAmentalists are demonstrating more and more the puerile children they are.
But that is a grown up comment?
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Notice the big plug for "Lenny McCluskey" in that pathetic so-called newsletter.

Obviously 70's style socialists have BASSA firmly by the throat.

I actually want the numpty to win. I think being led by a clueless moron like McWitless will eventually result in a huge backlash against this kind of suicidal unionism, and perhaps lead to a purge of these dinosaurs and their layabout, dole-scrounging Socialist Workers Party infiltrators.
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Old 29th Aug 2010, 06:26
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The switch cover in question would have a copper wire threaded through two holes. This thin gauge wire means that it should not be able to be operated by error. If the wire locking was done by a special set of pliers it should not be able to be undone and redone without anyone noticing, If however it had been done by hand which is a more probable way of doing it, it could be undone and redone afterwards. Hopefully the crew should have noticed this.
Hope that helps.
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Old 29th Aug 2010, 07:26
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Notice the big plug for "Lenny McCluskey" in that pathetic so-called newsletter.
Notice that his name is spelt incorectly in that advert also.

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Old 29th Aug 2010, 08:11
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Notice that his name is spelt incorectly (sic) in that advert also.
Some people refewse to use there spilling chucker.



I have a question about the "newsletter". It would seem that Nicky Marcus was suspended, charged with gross misconduct and faces dismissal. This because she spoke to the crew involved in the famous onboard vandalism incident and, according to BASSA, advised them to "stick to the facts".

Does this mean that she meant "stick to her version of the facts" or "don't tell them anything" and was therefore the rep suspended for interfering with communications between BA and its crew, once BA found out she was trying to help conceal the truth?

Of course it does. It was a rhetorical question.

Another BASSAmentalist gone hopefully.

Oh and finally: I read this on some site where they like to talk about flyers, and they were commenting on the BASSA response to it. This was quoted from a "forum".

I enjoy reading every one of the Newsletters. They are always so well written with insight and subtle irony. This time, it's bold as brass and a hopefully a slap in the face for those that haven't quite got it yet. I loved the facts about the 75% of "eligible" crew who went on strike. Made me feel so much better. This is SO. not over. As XXXX we are in the majority and this gives me the confidence for the next round. Bring it on and thank you to what is left of our loyal and brave Reps who put it together.
Completely insane, no? I daresay some of our CC friends with access to the hell that is a BASSA forum could probably find more rabid examples of blind, competely misguided loyalty.

Shouldn't be too hard to finish off this bunch of zombies.

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Old 29th Aug 2010, 09:22
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Originally Posted by leiard
We seem to get a lot of comments from BASSA members but never hear anything from Amicus members. From what we read the two groups do not seem to agree on anything, Are they happy be associated with what is being published by BASSA,

I wonder if any Amicus members would like comment.
Of course there are no longer any Amicus members. (End of the official line)......The divide is still there because a lot of people joined Amicus because they were not satisfied with the results of being represented by the T&G. Others of course were from engineering backgrounds. Amicus was always a moderate TU.
They see this as a T&G/BASSA mess. A lot of the other sections who have reached agreements are from Amicus backgrounds.
Most members loyalties end with the the Local full time official or rep and are only interested in their own workplace. Most Amicus members away from Heathrow (Like the vast majority of the nation) have no interest in the dispute and indeed know nothing about it.
From a personal point of view publications, like the one under discussion at the moment, are an embarrassment. To compare anyone working in companies like BA with oppressed peoples who's struggles are a matter of life and death is absurd.
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