BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II
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Well, the crew of the BA flight from Kiev today were fantastic. 
Thank you.
Thank you.
Gemdeveloper.
Yup, I agree.
On the other thread, I note that there continue to be folk allegedly in the BA CC community who want "More", whether it be money, status, holidays, free flights, etc., etc.
That sounds to me like a management team who are still failing to communicate.............and implies that the dinosaur hobby-jobber CSDs are still in charge.
Yup, I agree.
On the other thread, I note that there continue to be folk allegedly in the BA CC community who want "More", whether it be money, status, holidays, free flights, etc., etc.
That sounds to me like a management team who are still failing to communicate.............and implies that the dinosaur hobby-jobber CSDs are still in charge.
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AO,
Surely they can ask for whatever they like. The fact that they are doing so and getting stony silence in response is probably more indicative of their separation from reality than poor management.
Surely they can ask for whatever they like. The fact that they are doing so and getting stony silence in response is probably more indicative of their separation from reality than poor management.
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Give them more
Why not?
Everything is up for negotiation; well it is if you negotiate. Open up VR again, remove all part time, work to CAA minimums plus 10%, rounded up. Get rid of crew rest areas, unless it is required to extend operational duties, as that's what catering canisters and galley's are for (charter world), then enhance the monthly travel payment with protections and index link pay to CPI for 5 years.
Then give them all staff travel on 20 year Captain's seniority.
Oh, then give them new hats.
Everything is up for negotiation; well it is if you negotiate. Open up VR again, remove all part time, work to CAA minimums plus 10%, rounded up. Get rid of crew rest areas, unless it is required to extend operational duties, as that's what catering canisters and galley's are for (charter world), then enhance the monthly travel payment with protections and index link pay to CPI for 5 years.
Then give them all staff travel on 20 year Captain's seniority.
Oh, then give them new hats.
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It's the troll season and I must admit I was beginning to have doubts about Asperge, but like the asparagus he seems to have had a very short season. Sincere apologies if I'm wrong.
Lady BA BA has been suspended from the other thread pending verification of her/his right to post on the forum. Nipped in the bud it seems.
Lady BA BA has been suspended from the other thread pending verification of her/his right to post on the forum. Nipped in the bud it seems.
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Unite releases it's end of year results...!
http://unite.newsweaver.co.uk/images...rs%20Final.pdf
I found this interesting: -
...unless you are BA cabin crew on strike in which case you get more, naturally..!
http://unite.newsweaver.co.uk/images...rs%20Final.pdf
I found this interesting: -
Recognising the need to provide members with the ability to "fight back" against unscrupulous employers using the excuse of recession to attack members' wages, pensions and other terms and conditions, at its May 2009 meeting, Unite's Executive Council approved a 131% increase in the dispute benefit to £30 per day from Day 1 of a dispute. This level of support for members on strike against their employer is unprecedented in the British trade union movement.
With so many comments about BA strike drifting - well on a couple of threads anyway regarding the BA strike I have actually forgotten where we are in this "dispute".
I wish they would make some sort of move.
Can I book a ticket for leisure travel or forget it as strike is still pending/possible? I dont care about my business tickets (dumped BA ages ago) but I sure do care about leisure!
Nivsy
I wish they would make some sort of move.
Can I book a ticket for leisure travel or forget it as strike is still pending/possible? I dont care about my business tickets (dumped BA ages ago) but I sure do care about leisure!
Nivsy
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Nivsy, for what it is worth I have booked a holiday flight, using partners free ticket no less, which is a first for us never having bothered to use it in the past - too much hassel... too much risk.
Make of that what you will, but I think you should be ok and I think that I will.
(note, Free ticket does not equal free holiday, If I dont get on the flight I'm still buggered like the rest of the world)
Make of that what you will, but I think you should be ok and I think that I will.
(note, Free ticket does not equal free holiday, If I dont get on the flight I'm still buggered like the rest of the world)
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Originally Posted by Snas
Thought I'd read somewhere that she was off sick and unable to work....
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nivsy
I have actually forgotten where we are in this "dispute".
Doesn't it?
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It's a pity BASSA didn't listen to Jimmy Reid's famous speech to the Glasgow shipbuilders back in the 70's during their sit-in:
"There will be no hooliganism, there will be no vandalism, there will be no bevvying, because the world is watching us, and it is our responsibility to conduct ourselves with responsibility, and with dignity, and with maturity."
Maybe we would have a different opinion of the BASSA strikers if they had followed that theme instead of behaving like spoilt brats, but there again maybe we wouldn't!
"There will be no hooliganism, there will be no vandalism, there will be no bevvying, because the world is watching us, and it is our responsibility to conduct ourselves with responsibility, and with dignity, and with maturity."
Maybe we would have a different opinion of the BASSA strikers if they had followed that theme instead of behaving like spoilt brats, but there again maybe we wouldn't!
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@ CharlieOneSix ... 
I saw that on TV a week or so back, and was strangely impressed. Considerable dignity and forethought.
@ fincastle84 ... It's not over until the fat lady sings "I give up, do what you must." There must still be undercurrents within BASSA seeking further disruption; they're just trying to find a new excuse.
I saw that on TV a week or so back, and was strangely impressed. Considerable dignity and forethought.@ fincastle84 ... It's not over until the fat lady sings "I give up, do what you must." There must still be undercurrents within BASSA seeking further disruption; they're just trying to find a new excuse.
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Nice to hear from you again. I'm more optimistic than you, I think Bassa are looking for a way out without losing too much face.
Hopefully we'll be ok for NBO towards the end of September. Have a date with some lions & cheetahs!
Hopefully we'll be ok for NBO towards the end of September. Have a date with some lions & cheetahs!
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Hi, Finky, and thank you. 
On a broad front there is very little prospect of BASSA causing any significant disruption to BA's operations in the near future. Whether BASSA is actually seeking a way out is questionable, certainly as long as DH remains capable of pulling strings. Let us not forget that certain "issues" in the minds of the militants remain unresolved. Given the standards of behaviour and attitudes of some of these people, there still remains the potential for occasional acts of stupidity and/or militancy.
On a broad front there is very little prospect of BASSA causing any significant disruption to BA's operations in the near future. Whether BASSA is actually seeking a way out is questionable, certainly as long as DH remains capable of pulling strings. Let us not forget that certain "issues" in the minds of the militants remain unresolved. Given the standards of behaviour and attitudes of some of these people, there still remains the potential for occasional acts of stupidity and/or militancy.
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If you are wondering whether the die hards of BASSA will ever agree that they 'might' have been wrong - ask Arthur Scargill if he though he was right to take the miners out on strike in 1984~85?
They lost and it changed the face of an industry and trades unions in this country for the foreseeable future.
The failure of BASSA to understand the 21st century is in the same order of magnitude as it was the NUM to fail to see that the 1980s were not the 1970s.
They lost and it changed the face of an industry and trades unions in this country for the foreseeable future.
The failure of BASSA to understand the 21st century is in the same order of magnitude as it was the NUM to fail to see that the 1980s were not the 1970s.
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I hope that somebody can prove me wrong, but as I understand it DH has to stand down from his job as a BASSA rep at the next election. However, BASSA have contrived to delay the next election until the current wrangle is resolved. So DH has a massive conflict of interest, in that for every month he can drag the issue out, he gains some £6,000 in income.
Dig in for a long siege.
Dig in for a long siege.
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@ Neptunus Rex ... I'm not sure a long siege is the analogy, but I could envisage some tiresome skirmishing. And that, whilst boosting DH's ego, also inevitably impacts on future bookings.
I know it would achieve nothing for the BASSA "cause", as BA will simply drive their tanks over the diminishing ranks of militant infantry ... but I think there is now a sad disconnect between what BASSA might have wished to achieve originally, and a militant "doing something" attitude that may continue for some time to come.
I know it would achieve nothing for the BASSA "cause", as BA will simply drive their tanks over the diminishing ranks of militant infantry ... but I think there is now a sad disconnect between what BASSA might have wished to achieve originally, and a militant "doing something" attitude that may continue for some time to come.