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Old 5th Sep 2010, 07:12
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Historian Andrew Murray - Director of Communications Unite

Wapedia - Wiki: Andrew Murray (campaigner and journalist)

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Charlie Whelan's back pulling the strings again - Telegraph

"At a meeting in 2008, Mr Simpson likened some of Mr Woodley’s staff to the SS. “While I understand that it is Derek’s way to 'joke’ about things,” gritted Mr Woodley, “I have told him that such comments are inappropriate.” One union historian, Andrew Murray, joked that he was working on the history of Unite, “to be published by Mills & Boon”."
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...No doubt you will be asking Mr Walsh to elucidate on the matter of his lunch with Mr Dacre.
Result of investigation: The salmon was overcooked.
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 12:59
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If Unite/BASSA truly felt that there members civil rights were being violated wouldn't they have initiated a proceeding by now?

All seems smoke and mirrors in their communication. No hard facts, no specifics...even this allegation:

"Two more crew members reported to the police that they had been the subject of an ongoing surveillance at their own homes by BA's shadowy 'Asset Protection' department," the newsletter says, adding that members have seen photographic evidence
could be something as simple as an investigation into abuse of medical leave, etc...

The problem with Unite/BASSA and their allegations is that for the most part they provide no evidence..just rumour.

"She knows Jane Doe, who used to date Frank, who is a fan of the same football team as Willie Walsh's second cousin" just doesn't cut it.
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 16:12
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And indeed, Diplome, there lies the problem [ooops, sits the problem].

Over the last year or so there has been so many lies [yes, lies such as Cardiff and Shannon] and bullshot emerging from BASSA that they have created a scenario where the first reaction from anyone not at the 'core' is to dismiss ANY statement as a lie.

Ignoring who had lunch with whom, I could believe that BA would indeed employ 'Asset Protection' to ensure the sick, lame or whatever were actually in that condition. Remember the recent case about some guy on Disability Benefits, running the touchline at a Rugby match?

However, I doubt we shall ever hear the full story/stories. Personal confidentiality will be maintained up to the point where 'affirmative action' is taken, and even then we will probably never know.
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 17:06
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Interesting

Just read the piece on the other thread, which I assume is BASSA Comms (although this isn't explicitly said).

It's very interesting isn't it...... the tone I mean, reading between the lines.

I'm sure everybody would want a crew member (VCC or otherwise) to be proficient in the safety aspects of the flight and aeroplane they are travelling on.

But the way the message is phrased is almost like saying to the senior crew member, with a nudge and a wink, "pick on these VCC's and be sure to ask them safety questions" - In the veiled hope I presume of tripping some of them up and getting them kicked off the aeroplane.

I wonder how normal, asking questions of crew like this actually is on a day to day basis. If it's normally done at every briefing then fine, it should continue.

I just felt it was a way of sticking the boot into VCC's 'legitimately'
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 17:18
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Any individual foolish enough to harrass VCC with questions and grilling not required or routinely asked of other Cabin Crew may find themselves in a rather difficult position.

BASSA has seen the result of many of their members less than professional conduct, suspensions and terminations...but do they ever learn?

I'm hoping that BA is as ahead of the game as they have been in the past regarding BASSA's exploits and has necessary protection measures in place.

With every communication such as this that I read I am more wishful that I never had to fly with such coarse, manipulative and thuggish individuals. I just have to keep repeating to myself "Its not all cabin crew, its not all cabin crew, its not all cabin crew".
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 17:19
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I wonder how normal, asking questions of crew like this actually is on a day to day basis. If it's normally done at every briefing then fine, it should continue.
I've been told it happens before every flight. (not just on BA)

I just felt it was a way of sticking the boot into VCC's 'legitimately'
The SCCM can use pre-set questions or make their own up, so possibly
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 17:21
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It is a CAA requirement that safety questions be asked of all crew members at the pre-flight briefing, before every flight
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 17:40
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That may be true, but BASSA militants are not allowed to create a separate class of cabin crew.

This is going to be interesting. If BASSA can't restrain themselves, and I'm not optomistic about their capability in that regard, the recordings should be interesting.

Are VCC receiving any special instructions regarding how to deal with this rather special work environment?
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 18:14
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As SLF, I would [ignorantly] guess that the VCC, being in an unfamiliar environment, spend a lot more time poring over the manuals than some of the supremely self-confident narcissist militants.

And BASSA would certainly seem to have issued a hint about where the next rabid dog-bite might be coming from ... so the VCC have been pre-warned.

Is this the next 'excuse' for IA, one wonders?
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 18:27
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MPN11:

It's an interesting situation and I expect BA to be ready.

It brings to mind a situation that occurred this year in a facility with a rather sensitive mission. There was an objection by a group of individuals regarding the transfer of a certain group. During daily safety briefings recordings were made of supervisor instructions after complaints from some employees. Next thing..the hammer drops..two supervisors dismissed, another disciplined.

I'm sure BA understands the regulations, but I'm not so sure of BASSA. They seem to operate much more on an emotional level rather than thinking through the consequences of their actions.

Unfortunate that VCC have to deal with this.
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 22:33
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A combined briefing might at least limit the chances of us SLF getting on board with one of the militant bottom feeders who have poisoned the atomosphere, even before the flight begins.
It is going to be hard to look at some of my friends again, as until that comment, I never saw them in that light. Still, you live and learn.
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 22:47
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But why do you feel the need to make posts like that? No doubt with your background, you could tie most of us up with reasoned debate, so why stoop?
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Old 5th Sep 2010, 23:05
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Just an honest question Baggers; who would be your carrier of choice to the UK?
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But why do you feel the need to make posts like that? No doubt with your background, you could tie most of us up with reasoned debate, so why stoop?
Litebulbs perhaps you underestimate the antipathy some of us feel to some of the sour-faced misery guts that can be found amongst the old guard; those who treat passengers as if they are an irritation. It's what put myself and many people I know off flying BA, and we look forward to the day they either improve their attitude or get lost.

Judging by the generally moderate and reasonable tone of your posts, I would be surprised if "your friends" and this group in any way overlap.

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Looking at the other thread it looks as though today's meeting is not busy. Seems the inside view of meetings is not just confined to full time officers.
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 11:28
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An extraordinary image indeed. Where are the screaming hordes of hard-core strikers that will bring BA to its knees? It looks more like a retirement party for one of the staff at a small business.

Still, it seems a couple of florists have benefitted from the proceedings.
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 11:36
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Don't forget the balloons the balloon company must have done well also!

Though it does beg the question about the use of member's subscriptions and the process that authorised that expenditure.
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 11:44
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baggersup,
No Captains are not running any cabin crew briefings and never have unless they were working as the SCCM during the strikes.

During the strike the company asked the flight crew to have a presents in the cabin crew pre-flight briefings. On worldwide some did sit in on the briefings which are done by the SCCM.
In E/F some sat in but most just popped in to say hello as they do now and as they always did before the strike if they are around.

They were more just giving support to the crew working and of course any VCC's and checking we were all happy. During the strike most of us ( C/C and F/C) walked out to the aircraft together but again this was just to give each other support.
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 11:51
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Westlakes:

From the looks of the rather meager amount you're probably talking about £5.00.

I think it looks rather lemony

On a serious note the photo could mean one of two things:

1. They had a larger room reserved with proper seating and greater capacity but when faced with the meager turnout decided that rather than have images leaked of a predominately empty forum they changed rooms or...

2. BASSA anticipated a low turnout, reserved the small room and ommitted chairs to make the room look busier...though that doesn't explain the "I have to decorate for my kid's 7th birthday party on the cheap" looks to the proceeding.

My guess (and certainly only a guess) is that its "1" due to the fact that the room appears like it was prepared in 5 minutes.
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