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BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II

Old 2nd Sep 2010, 16:48
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@ Litebulbs ... no problem at all with that quote ...
Over the last six months Terry and the team have worked quietly and patiently to get agreement with Corus to sell the plant and then go onto secure a buyer for the business. The campaign was based on a clear strategy that involved organising the workforce, winning the support of the local community and influencing local politicians.

There was no full frontal assault on the company in the media. There was no public sabre rattling so the media were never given an opportunity to divide the community. All the focus was on saving the jobs and the local economy.
Do you see any parallel between that and the current dispute?
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 17:12
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Now why do I understand why you would admire that process.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 17:52
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Yes, it was a good result for the workers, the Union and the local community.

However, it is still "selling the farm" to overseas interests.
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Neptunus Rex View Post
Yes, it was a good result for the workers, the Union and the local community.

However, it is still "selling the farm" to overseas interests.
Maybe the overseas money men are not as, erm, greedy as our home grown stock?
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 19:05
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However, it is still "selling the farm" to overseas interests
Corus is owned by Tata Steel which is Indian, so it had already been soldl overseas!
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 19:50
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Selling the Farm

Corus is owned by Tata Steel which is Indian, so it had already been soldl overseas!
Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

(I wanted to say QED, but that was not enough letters.)
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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 22:02
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Originally Posted by ChicoG View Post
It was fair enough when the union agreed it. What has changed?
Nothing changed. An agreed process does not mean that the dismissal is automatically fair.
If that was the case then the there would be no ET's from companies with agreed procedures and this is not the case.
This is not about whether DH was sacked fairly or not. He may or may not have been. If the Union lawyers think he has a case then it will go for an ET, if they don't think he has any chance it will not. I don't think wasting time on his particular case moves anything along as far as the dispute is concerned.
At present he remains dismissed and unemployed by BA. There are only two possibilities for the future...He will remain unemployed by BA without payment or he will remain unemployed by BA with compensation....

With reference to the Corus quote...It was from Les Bayliss who I think has a good chance of becoming General Secretary. Nice to see Terry Pye getting the praise he deserves. If only he could get involved with BA.........

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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 22:19
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Yes, there ARE millitant ****wits working as 'cabin crew' and making life hell for non-strikers. GET A LIFE! Let the non-strikers get on with the job they want to do, come hell or high water. If you dont like it then resign and get lost. Too much, too long...

Iam certainly not a fan of WW but CHANGES are taking place in almost every other industry out there. Times are hard. If you dont change and adapt then you become extinct - remember the dinosaurs... I for one as well as millions of others, are sick to the back teeth hearing how hard-done-by you are / will be due to the proposed changes. YOURE LUCKY TO HAVE A JOB with the perks and benefits you get!

Game over. BA strikers are cutting their noses to spite their face. UNITE are USELESS and couldnt orginise a ****up in a brewery.

What next UNITE? Erm... more strikes? The previous clutch of industrial action didnt seem to faze BA in the slightest, and in fact there was some excellent feedback from passengers who flew on leased-in charter aircraft to cover.

Who would have though FR doing domestic flts for BA during first round of strikes... That about says it all!

Get a grip, get a life and shut the ****up the lot of you!

Hats off to the brave and wise non-strikers!

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Old 2nd Sep 2010, 23:04
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Meanwhile, over on the CC thread . . .

. . . yet another of Duncan's disciples has thrown a wobbly.

This time it's Asperge (whoever he/she may be), who claims exclusive rights for cabin crew only to publish their comments there.

An example of latter-day Herrenvolk, perhaps?
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 01:53
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Can we all calm down a bit please
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 07:09
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Instead of these silly names like asperge, why canít we have names like
Phoenix1, Phoenix2, Phoenix3, . . . Phoenix23, Phoenix24, Phoenix25 . . . .
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 07:47
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There was no full frontal assault on the company in the media. There was no public sabre rattling so the media were never given an opportunity to divide the community. All the focus was on saving the jobs and the local economy.
Maybe it's just me, but if that isn't a huge dig at Woodley, Simpson and McLackey I don't know what is.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 07:56
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Betty girl,
Thank you for your reply to my earlier post - does that mean that all Amicus/cc89 are now members of BASSA?


Asperges is a name given to the rite of sprinkling a congregation with holley water
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 08:07
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leiard,
No Amicus is still a seperate branch but it's members were always more moderate. Recently Amicas has had to show a united front with Bassa but really they are polls apart in their thinking and the way they do business with the company.

Amicus will have lost alot of it's members like me because we are more likely to disagree with the strike.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 08:26
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Originally Posted by ChicoG View Post
Maybe it's just me, but if that isn't a huge dig at Woodley, Simpson and McLackey I don't know what is.
You hit the nail on the head there!!

Damn! I agreed with something you said...
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 11:11
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Juan Toguh:

Regarding this statement:

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I despise what BASSA is doing to BA, but I do not think that the reps are malicious and corrupt. They are horribly misguided and are doing irrepparable damage to their own union but I do believe that they are passionate and committed individuals striving for what they believe in
With all due respect I would assert that one can be "passionate" and also "malicious". Unquote

My personal observation is that BASSA reps seem to have knowingly mislead their membership, thinking not of what harm they could be doing to the individuals they are supposed to be protecting, and more of their personal egos and positions.

I can find no other explantion for the messages submitted by Mr. Holley, the advice given by Ms. Malone, the actions during negotiations, etc., etc..
What I find interesting is that Bassa have always had a number of 'thugs' in different guises, from the Holley's of this world who can 'generally' put up a good arguement, both interlectually and otherwise, to the thicker ones where its pure brawn over brain. What I've found sad, is that there have been reps who are good role models, but have turned a blind eye to some of the terrible stuff that been going on for years. Some time ago, a well respected rep told me openly that he KNEW there were bad apples in the camp, who ONLY went on trips that suited them and behaved in an undesirable manner to their members. They even named a couple ( I could have named them easily too for the record). But of course NOTHING was ever said to rock the boat. I was told by a colleague recently that a good friend of hers who had been a rep for years, had a big fall out with Mr. Tomorite himself by daring to question some of his methods. He then trashed her within the union and she decided soon after to resign from being a rep.

I honestly believe that we have touched only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to some of the undesirable stuff thats been going on in ' Camp Bassa' over the years.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 14:22
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I wonder if DH ever studied Roman history?

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has 'closed', the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all their rights unto the leader and gladly so.

Julius Caesar
Edit;

OK, possibly not Mr Caesar, but whoever wrote it could have had DH in mind.

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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 15:05
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Wonderful - I have never read this before - it is an eternal truth.
Curiously it is neither Julius Caesar nor Shakespeare - it dates back to maybe 2001.
Excellent all the same.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 15:20
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 16:52
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This is not going to make pretty reading for Duncan Donut:

British Airways (BA) will prevail in its fight with cabin crew, say leading business travel experts.

A threatened strike over christmas will have little impact on the business travel sector, but will exacerbate the public's disgust over the union's militant stance.

As Unite and BA prepare for the latest round of talks on Monday, the feeling among the business travel community is remarkably stolid.

Ken McLeod, director corporate at Advantage Travel Centres, commented: "Dare I say it's becoming boring now, because I think Unite is losing support."

According to McLeod, business travellers have become used to the strike action by BA cabin crew, now nearing its first anniversary.

"It's an inconvenience, but it's not going to damage their business," he said. "Business travellers will always find some way to travel. There will always be some way of getting to their destination."

The longer the dispute rumbles on, the less power Unite has, said McLeod. "They [the strikers] can disrupt things quite badly, but essentially BA has now got its act together."

Mark Avery, head of business services at Pricewaterhouse Coopers (PwC), said staff continue to book with BA, despite the risk of strike action.

"Even though it's a pain and travellers are pretty fed up with it all, there's quite a lot of certainty about what will fly and won't fly."

"Once the strikes are announced, people are not avoiding BA," he said."BA have been pretty good at announcing their schedules and keeping them running where they can."

BA's announcement that it will run 100% of long haul flights if there is another strike has added to this feeling of good will among business travellers.

"This adds to the surety for the traveller - the confidence that they can go ahead and book with BA and they will still travel and it's not going to be a major inconvenience."

According to Avery, BA's reputation has remained relatively untarnished. "I think commercially there is a recognition that these working practices do actually need to change and if they're going to survive as an organisation."

The reputation of Unite hasn't fared so well. "I think unfortunately the cabin crew have lost some of the public will."

A strike at christmas will damage this further, said Avery. "It's just not what the public want to see."
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