BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II
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LD12986: Thank you...saved me from the search. Always a good thing 
Litebulb: I would guess that much would depend upon what sort of community you were speaking of...I'm not sure what area I would compare an excited little nest like BASSA to.
Litebulb: I would guess that much would depend upon what sort of community you were speaking of...I'm not sure what area I would compare an excited little nest like BASSA to.
If your figures for the "norm" are correct Litebulbs (and I'm in no position to dispute them), would you say that the "extra" disciplinaries have arisen primarily due to a more stringent line by BA through this dispute or through more unreasonable behavior by the staff concerned as a result of their dispute or a combination of these?
Personally, I dont see how it can be assessed without details of the alleged misdemeanors.
Personally, I dont see how it can be assessed without details of the alleged misdemeanors.
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How Things Should Be Done
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I want to extend my sincere congratulations to the Unite members and shop stewards from Corus on Teesside on a great conclusion to their campaign to save their plant from closure. I want also to single out my colleague Terry Pye our National Officer for his superb leadership throughout the crisis that threatened the future of 2,000 jobs there.
Over the last six months Terry and the team have worked quietly and patiently to get agreement with Corus to sell the plant and then go onto secure a buyer for the business. The campaign was based on a clear strategy that involved organising the workforce, winning the support of the local community and influencing local politicians.
There was no full frontal assault on the company in the media. There was no public sabre rattling so the media were never given an opportunity to divide the community. All the focus was on saving the jobs and the local economy.
The sale to the Thai steel producer SSI is great news for the workforce on Teesside and is even more glorious given that the deal was done at no expense to other Corus workers. This year’s pay settlement at the steel giant was 3.2% well above the average for this year.
Ironically this success story will never be afforded legendary status. It wasn’t a romantic glorious defeat, with slogans and marches and strikes and thousands of column inches devoted to the notoriety of an individual. It was just a clear example of Unite at its best and a model for the Unite I want to see develop in every sector. In future we need to be disciplined, strategic and focused on winning for our members.
Les Bayliss
Bit of a drift, sorry.
I want to extend my sincere congratulations to the Unite members and shop stewards from Corus on Teesside on a great conclusion to their campaign to save their plant from closure. I want also to single out my colleague Terry Pye our National Officer for his superb leadership throughout the crisis that threatened the future of 2,000 jobs there.
Over the last six months Terry and the team have worked quietly and patiently to get agreement with Corus to sell the plant and then go onto secure a buyer for the business. The campaign was based on a clear strategy that involved organising the workforce, winning the support of the local community and influencing local politicians.
There was no full frontal assault on the company in the media. There was no public sabre rattling so the media were never given an opportunity to divide the community. All the focus was on saving the jobs and the local economy.
The sale to the Thai steel producer SSI is great news for the workforce on Teesside and is even more glorious given that the deal was done at no expense to other Corus workers. This year’s pay settlement at the steel giant was 3.2% well above the average for this year.
Ironically this success story will never be afforded legendary status. It wasn’t a romantic glorious defeat, with slogans and marches and strikes and thousands of column inches devoted to the notoriety of an individual. It was just a clear example of Unite at its best and a model for the Unite I want to see develop in every sector. In future we need to be disciplined, strategic and focused on winning for our members.
Les Bayliss
Bit of a drift, sorry.
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@ Litebulbs ... no problem at all with that quote ...
Do you see any parallel between that and the current dispute?
Over the last six months Terry and the team have worked quietly and patiently to get agreement with Corus to sell the plant and then go onto secure a buyer for the business. The campaign was based on a clear strategy that involved organising the workforce, winning the support of the local community and influencing local politicians.
There was no full frontal assault on the company in the media. There was no public sabre rattling so the media were never given an opportunity to divide the community. All the focus was on saving the jobs and the local economy.
There was no full frontal assault on the company in the media. There was no public sabre rattling so the media were never given an opportunity to divide the community. All the focus was on saving the jobs and the local economy.
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However, it is still "selling the farm" to overseas interests
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Selling the Farm
Corus is owned by Tata Steel which is Indian, so it had already been soldl overseas!
(I wanted to say QED, but that was not enough letters.)
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Nothing changed. An agreed process does not mean that the dismissal is automatically fair.
If that was the case then the there would be no ET's from companies with agreed procedures and this is not the case.
This is not about whether DH was sacked fairly or not. He may or may not have been. If the Union lawyers think he has a case then it will go for an ET, if they don't think he has any chance it will not. I don't think wasting time on his particular case moves anything along as far as the dispute is concerned.
At present he remains dismissed and unemployed by BA. There are only two possibilities for the future...He will remain unemployed by BA without payment or he will remain unemployed by BA with compensation....
With reference to the Corus quote...It was from Les Bayliss who I think has a good chance of becoming General Secretary. Nice to see Terry Pye getting the praise he deserves. If only he could get involved with BA.........
If that was the case then the there would be no ET's from companies with agreed procedures and this is not the case.
This is not about whether DH was sacked fairly or not. He may or may not have been. If the Union lawyers think he has a case then it will go for an ET, if they don't think he has any chance it will not. I don't think wasting time on his particular case moves anything along as far as the dispute is concerned.
At present he remains dismissed and unemployed by BA. There are only two possibilities for the future...He will remain unemployed by BA without payment or he will remain unemployed by BA with compensation....
With reference to the Corus quote...It was from Les Bayliss who I think has a good chance of becoming General Secretary. Nice to see Terry Pye getting the praise he deserves. If only he could get involved with BA.........
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Yes, there ARE millitant ****wits working as 'cabin crew' and making life hell for non-strikers. GET A LIFE! Let the non-strikers get on with the job they want to do, come hell or high water. If you dont like it then resign and get lost. Too much, too long...
Iam certainly not a fan of WW but CHANGES are taking place in almost every other industry out there. Times are hard. If you dont change and adapt then you become extinct - remember the dinosaurs... I for one as well as millions of others, are sick to the back teeth hearing how hard-done-by you are / will be due to the proposed changes. YOURE LUCKY TO HAVE A JOB with the perks and benefits you get!
Game over. BA strikers are cutting their noses to spite their face. UNITE are USELESS and couldnt orginise a ****up in a brewery.
What next UNITE? Erm... more strikes? The previous clutch of industrial action didnt seem to faze BA in the slightest, and in fact there was some excellent feedback from passengers who flew on leased-in charter aircraft to cover.
Who would have though FR doing domestic flts for BA during first round of strikes... That about says it all!
Get a grip, get a life and shut the ****up the lot of you!
Hats off to the brave and wise non-strikers!
Iam certainly not a fan of WW but CHANGES are taking place in almost every other industry out there. Times are hard. If you dont change and adapt then you become extinct - remember the dinosaurs... I for one as well as millions of others, are sick to the back teeth hearing how hard-done-by you are / will be due to the proposed changes. YOURE LUCKY TO HAVE A JOB with the perks and benefits you get!
Game over. BA strikers are cutting their noses to spite their face. UNITE are USELESS and couldnt orginise a ****up in a brewery.
What next UNITE? Erm... more strikes? The previous clutch of industrial action didnt seem to faze BA in the slightest, and in fact there was some excellent feedback from passengers who flew on leased-in charter aircraft to cover.
Who would have though FR doing domestic flts for BA during first round of strikes... That about says it all!
Get a grip, get a life and shut the ****up the lot of you!
Hats off to the brave and wise non-strikers!
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Meanwhile, over on the CC thread . . .
. . . yet another of Duncan's disciples has thrown a wobbly.
This time it's Asperge (whoever he/she may be), who claims exclusive rights for cabin crew only to publish their comments there.
An example of latter-day Herrenvolk, perhaps?
This time it's Asperge (whoever he/she may be), who claims exclusive rights for cabin crew only to publish their comments there.
An example of latter-day Herrenvolk, perhaps?
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There was no full frontal assault on the company in the media. There was no public sabre rattling so the media were never given an opportunity to divide the community. All the focus was on saving the jobs and the local economy.
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Betty girl,
Thank you for your reply to my earlier post - does that mean that all Amicus/cc89 are now members of BASSA?
Asperges is a name given to the rite of sprinkling a congregation with holley water
Thank you for your reply to my earlier post - does that mean that all Amicus/cc89 are now members of BASSA?
Asperges is a name given to the rite of sprinkling a congregation with holley water
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leiard,
No Amicus is still a seperate branch but it's members were always more moderate. Recently Amicas has had to show a united front with Bassa but really they are polls apart in their thinking and the way they do business with the company.
Amicus will have lost alot of it's members like me because we are more likely to disagree with the strike.
No Amicus is still a seperate branch but it's members were always more moderate. Recently Amicas has had to show a united front with Bassa but really they are polls apart in their thinking and the way they do business with the company.
Amicus will have lost alot of it's members like me because we are more likely to disagree with the strike.
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