BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II
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The broken record that is MissM
It's actually hard to even care now. If MissM is real, she is beyond delusional.
If she/he is just a BASSA troll, then the subject matter does nothing more than reinforce the belief that the BASSA leadership are like Robert de Niro on the boat at the end of Scorsese's remake of Cape Fear.
A possible threat of another strike over Christmas should be enough for WW to want to reach a settlement with us.
Nobody wants a strike but there are thousands of us will walk out at Christmas if necessary. I am one of those and I will not hestitate a second to do it.
Nobody wants a strike but there are thousands of us will walk out at Christmas if necessary. I am one of those and I will not hestitate a second to do it.
If she/he is just a BASSA troll, then the subject matter does nothing more than reinforce the belief that the BASSA leadership are like Robert de Niro on the boat at the end of Scorsese's remake of Cape Fear.
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It’s not supposed to be like this: -
My partner has just finished a trip and was talking to a colleague who was moaning about his lot, the fact that he had lost wages through strike action, staff travel was gone which was causing him no end of trouble with his home life, he was worried about what sort of contract he was going to end up on and spent a lot of time discussing the stress of more forthcoming industrial action. He finished by announcing that it was the “end of flying as we know it”.
My partner answered by stating that she had lost no wages, still had staff travel and was now on a contract that she was very happy with and didn’t care if there was another strike or not. As far as the end of flying as she knew it, “nothing has changed for me” was her reply.
How can her circumstance be so different from his, she left the union at the beginning of the year thats how.
It’s not supposed to be like that is it now, really….
My partner has just finished a trip and was talking to a colleague who was moaning about his lot, the fact that he had lost wages through strike action, staff travel was gone which was causing him no end of trouble with his home life, he was worried about what sort of contract he was going to end up on and spent a lot of time discussing the stress of more forthcoming industrial action. He finished by announcing that it was the “end of flying as we know it”.
My partner answered by stating that she had lost no wages, still had staff travel and was now on a contract that she was very happy with and didn’t care if there was another strike or not. As far as the end of flying as she knew it, “nothing has changed for me” was her reply.
How can her circumstance be so different from his, she left the union at the beginning of the year thats how.
It’s not supposed to be like that is it now, really….
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Bassa rules and regulations
Re DH still holding onto Branch Secretary position - given the changes that the ruling elite appear to have made to the normal union rules over the years - viz : only Bassa allowed to control/agree a dispute, despite Unite; very stringent qualifications to be eligible to stand for election to committee; etc. - it would seem quite possible that due to a similar weasel clause, the BS cannot be changed until any outstanding disputes are concluded.
Surely someone out there has a copy of the Bassa rule book in all its glory.
Surely someone out there has a copy of the Bassa rule book in all its glory.
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Snas:
Your post tells quite a story.
Personally, I don't think that BASSA wants to go out on strike..they know they don't have the support, they know that BA and their co-workers are even more determined to increase the operational success of the last strike.
I believe this is, more likely than not, part of Mr. Holley's "guerilla tactics" where he tries to damage BA by making threats they have no intention of following through with.
BASSA is quickly becoming a dog with no teeth, lots of barking but no bite.
Your post tells quite a story.
Personally, I don't think that BASSA wants to go out on strike..they know they don't have the support, they know that BA and their co-workers are even more determined to increase the operational success of the last strike.
I believe this is, more likely than not, part of Mr. Holley's "guerilla tactics" where he tries to damage BA by making threats they have no intention of following through with.
BASSA is quickly becoming a dog with no teeth, lots of barking but no bite.
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Matters are getting quite confused! Hard to know what is what anymore.
MissM is speaking through her woodentop and DH seems to be hell bent on on leading his(?) 'troops' to destruction while not officially in charge!? AND.......Unite have given notice that another strike is possible.
Can someone possibly read or understand any sense from BASSA/UNITE thicks?
No talks, yes there was, no there wasn't, oh yes there was, who cares - BA wins.
MissM is speaking through her woodentop and DH seems to be hell bent on on leading his(?) 'troops' to destruction while not officially in charge!? AND.......Unite have given notice that another strike is possible.
Can someone possibly read or understand any sense from BASSA/UNITE thicks?
No talks, yes there was, no there wasn't, oh yes there was, who cares - BA wins.
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Apart from the small matter of over 10000 crew existing terms and conditions, that do not appear to align with future working patterns. BA are 3-0 up, but it is only the start of the second half.
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Apart from the small matter of over 10000 crew existing terms and conditions, that do not appear to align with future working patterns. BA are 3-0 up, but it is only the start of the second half.
Yep.....but they have used all their subs.
Yep.....but they have used all their subs.
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Apart from the small matter of over 10000 crew existing terms and conditions, that do not appear to align with future working patterns. BA are 3-0 up, but it is only the start of the second half.
The opposition supporters are vacating the ground in droves.
The coach has no game plan and appears to be watching another sport as his half time comments bear no resemblance to the game everyone else has been watching.
Most of his key players are either injured or stuck at their training centre half a world away, and he has already had a few players sent off.
His financial backers seem to have refused to put up any more money to fund his home grown (tomato) squad.
The coach is having to speak louder as fewer people are even within earshot to hear his latest pronunciations and if it goes on much longer he will be able to send out personal invites and hold the next meeting of the faithful in his garden shed.
Litebulbs.......
I can't remember many teams overcoming a 3-0 half time deficit. Manure did it over Spurs some time ago.
Now whilst I don't particularly like Manure, they can be a class act. They were in that second half.
Er, I'm not sure that anyone has called bassa a class act in the last 2 years. Perhaps not ever............
A technical aside.
1. Only the Unite Exec can authorise any action which a court might decide to be industrial action. That's so that the TU is not taken to Court over "unofficial" IA. It's there to stop the nutters sacrificing Unite over their own disputes. (Any nutters - I'm not calling bassa nutters!!)
2. I do not know the wording, but in the Unite/Bassa world, whilst only Unite's Exec can authorise industrial action, Unite have to refer any deal which is supposed to end a dispute to a bassa body. Anyone know who speaks for bassa in that situation?
Balance............and my usual balancing comment............
BA gets the TUs that it deserves. BA "management" have trained bassa to act as it does consistently over 40 years. We should not expect people to change in one or two years when they have been trained differently for 40 years. Calling folk names doesn't change this!
I can't remember many teams overcoming a 3-0 half time deficit. Manure did it over Spurs some time ago.
Now whilst I don't particularly like Manure, they can be a class act. They were in that second half.
Er, I'm not sure that anyone has called bassa a class act in the last 2 years. Perhaps not ever............
A technical aside.
1. Only the Unite Exec can authorise any action which a court might decide to be industrial action. That's so that the TU is not taken to Court over "unofficial" IA. It's there to stop the nutters sacrificing Unite over their own disputes. (Any nutters - I'm not calling bassa nutters!!)
2. I do not know the wording, but in the Unite/Bassa world, whilst only Unite's Exec can authorise industrial action, Unite have to refer any deal which is supposed to end a dispute to a bassa body. Anyone know who speaks for bassa in that situation?
Balance............and my usual balancing comment............
BA gets the TUs that it deserves. BA "management" have trained bassa to act as it does consistently over 40 years. We should not expect people to change in one or two years when they have been trained differently for 40 years. Calling folk names doesn't change this!
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Apart from the small matter of over 10000 crew existing terms and conditions, that do not appear to align with future working patterns. BA are 3-0 up, but it is only the start of the second half.
BA has never anticipated making major changes to existing crew t&cs.
Also if Unite don't accept the current offer, crew don't get two consecutive annual pay rises.
BASSA will never admit it but it is game over.
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It isn't but BA would never manage to harmonise all the different contract types. That has never been on the agenda. A separate mixed fleet at LHR adds complexity but this is far outweighed by the benefit of starting Mixed Fleet with a blank sheet of paper and not having to comprise if new contract crew worked alongside the existing LHR crew.
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I still believe that if you took all the macho BS out of the equation and started with blank piece of paper, then a unified cross base deal would be achievable. As you have said, the savings have been made.
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I still believe that if you took all the macho BS out of the equation and started with blank piece of paper, then a unified cross base deal would be achievable. As you have said, the savings have been made.
Based on BASSA's track record, BA would never be able to agree an integrated approach to the LHR fleets that would yield the savings BA was looking for.
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It is completely achievable; it is only a trade dispute. The CSD's are working and there is a new fleet. The savings are made. All you need is arbitration for the dismissed and suspended workers and some creativity for staff travel..........
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All you need is arbitration for the dismissed and suspended workers and some creativity for staff travel..........
If they don't like it then those who were found GUILTY , can take their case to an industrial tribunal, where they will be fully supported by their union.
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It is completely achievable; it is only a trade dispute. The CSD's are working and there is a new fleet. The savings are made. All you need is arbitration for the dismissed and suspended workers and some creativity for staff travel..........
The original point you made was about there being various different contracts at LHR/LGW to which I responded that for new fleet being an entirely separate fleet was critical to achieving savings targets.
On the point you raise above, WW is unconvinced that if staff travel was restored BASSA would agree to the deal on the table.
On disciplinaries, I see no reason why there should be a departure from the established procedure. It is entirely proper that they are dealt with in this way, to do otherwise would create a dangerous precedent.
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Calm down. As you can be sacked at any time for anything, then it is not about being found guilty. You are not tried by a jury of your peers, but by a manager of some sort. It is not the most impartial system, but that is UK employment law for you. Once you are gone, you are gone, no matter what any ET decides.
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Maybe I am not making myself clear. I commented earlier about 10000 plus employees on existing deals. What you want is a new start contract and an existing employee deal. That would meet and exceed the critical savings.
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It may not be a court of law that decides on disciplinaries but it is a union agreed process. Deciding they don't like the process just because there is a trade dispute is on will not wash. They, BASSA have shown that they do not like the democratic process by attempted gerrymandering. There should be NO movement from the company, those sacked after due process MUST remain sacked.